Proposed Pricelessware web site

[Nicolaas Hawkins]

I take it you own an asbestos jacket

I don't think he has ... just a kevlar keister. <g>
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Distribution site for 2004 Pricelessware CD.
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- Honesty: Fear of being caught.

 

[Nicolaas Hawkins]

I have a lot of experience in living without one

[... 10 paragraphs of irrelevant waffle deleted ...]

detrimental to mankind.

The PRACTICAL and IMMEDIATE application of your pseudo-scientific
bafflegab in the solution of the problems being discussed in this thread
is what, precisely?
I submit, with only as much respect as is necessary to maintain a veneer
of civility, that it is irrelevant and off-topic by a country mile. I
suggest that unless you have something of relevance and immediate use to
contribute that you STFU.

 

[Susan Bugher]

Glad you admit you are handicapped by this experience - I think you
must mean it literally. You have had a spat with one or two other
people about a website FFS - as far as I know you are not accusing
anyone of murder. Do you really think someone is going to sue you if
you answer a simple question.

Good grief no - and I don't worry about frivolous lawsuits. I put my
name on the Huntersoft web page so Jacques would know *who* to sue if he
had any thoughts in that direction.

I do think confidential *means* confidential.

If you do, and are that concerned about it, seek advice from a real
lawyer (maybe your family) - I would have thought they would advise
you to not post here.

This is *not* what I want to see - would just like people to grow up a
little

Privacy issues are not a childish matter. IMO emails are either private
or they're not. IMO "gossiping" about the contents of private emails is
just plain wrong.

I am as anxious as everyone else to see this matter settled. I hope that
questions about the domain name will be answered soon. I don't know why
we are still waiting for a post from SOS and/or Genna.

Henk, if you are willing to get involved please do. If anyone else
thinks they can help move the situation forward please attempt to do so.

Susan

 

[Roger Johansson]

IMO emails are either private
or they're not. IMO "gossiping" about the contents of private emails is
just plain wrong.

An email, or a snail mail letter, becomes the property of the recipient
as it arrives, and the recipient has the right to do whatever he/she
wants to do with it.

Ethically it can be seen as wrong to publish such a message if it
contains very sensitive personal information, for example if somebody
tells a good friend that she has got to know that she has HIV, or that
he has a crush on his best friends wife, but otherwise there is nothing
that prevents the recipient to talk about that email or snail mail in
public.

There is nothing holy about email, but some people have strong opinions
on the issue.

If the email is only about issues which should be public there is no
reason to keep it secret.

 

[Fanman_UK]

re-added some of the removed "rubbish"

No.This was from a previous post. I noted carefully that you did not
include the information that you "did not know the answer", this was
left for a subsequent post. So your answer to Bjorn was misleading.

It's a pity you didn't *read* the "rubbish" before you went into full spate.

Susan

I did read your Rant. I saw nothng in it which was constructive or
informative regarding the issue in question.

From your misleading answer to Bjorn Simonsen's question:-

I take this to mean either that (a) you asked them the question but
did not receive a reply. (b) That somebody else asked the question but
did not give you the answer. It is completely unclear to me and I
assume everybody else in the group. I can only assume from this, that
you are either unable or unwilling to *communicate* with Genna/SOS
about the existing name. It also appears that you are totally
unwilling to communicate via an intermediary, which means that you are
not going to even attempt to retain the existing name in any
circumstances. This does not appear to me to be working in the
interest of the group..


Fanman_UK

To reply by email remove the "fanman"

 

[Paul Blarmy]

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:09:18 -0700, Mister Charlie wrote...

nochargeware.---

..com, .net and .org all available.

compware.---

Top three TLD's all gone.

freebieware.---

..com gone, other two TLD's available.

gratisware.---

..com and .net gone. .org available

freesoft.---

Top three TLD's gone.

withoutchargesoftwarethatmakesyouwanttothankeveryoneinvolvedwithit.---

Not checked, but I bet this is taken too

 

[Nicolaas Hawkins]

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:09:18 -0700, Mister Charlie wrote...


.com, .net and .org all available.


Top three TLD's all gone.


.com gone, other two TLD's available.


.com and .net gone. .org available


Top three TLD's gone.


Not checked, but I bet this is taken too

www.priceless-freeware.???, perhaps?
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Regards,
Nicolaas.

Distribution site for 2004 Pricelessware CD.
E-Mail me for details. (e-mail address removed)



- Next to a dog, the wastebasket is man's best friend.

 

[R. L.]

I am as anxious as everyone else to see this matter
settled. I hope that questions about the domain name will
be answered soon.

I don't know why we are still waiting for
a post from SOS and/or Genna.

No, you don't need to and no one need to, either. Just go
ahead and set it up, no matter what came out at the end, it
will only help the traffic and bandwidth.

Henk, if you are willing to get involved please do. If
anyone else thinks they can help move the situation forward
please attempt to do so.

IMO, I don't think at this point this is needed anymore (and
in fact, not a bad thing, Susan you are the only one who can
move the situation forward since you do have the files.) I
think many here would love to have a site, a mirror, or
whatever anyway anyhow once you set it up. And by the time
you did it, it will only be appreciated.

If Genna eventually also express she is willing to have the
content continue to also be hosted in her site, it would of
course be welcomed, too. And, I believe it would be easy to
work out.

And everyone would have no problems that you would be
contributing and doing it (in fact you effort is, and will be
much appriciated). You are the ONLY one who can get the wheel
going now.

No need to wait anymore, just go ahead, move it forward and
ignore any personal attacks (replies on personal attacks would
only halt the situation).



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[John H.]

The posts you make like this one are funny. It looks like you are saying
we should all be childish and we would get along. The truth is, only the
older and tougher survive to pass those traits to their offspring. The
weaker and childish do not. After all is said and done, only the strong
survive.
The meek inherit the earth because they are buried in it.

Yeah, like ML King, Rosa Parks, Sojourner Truth, Mohandas Ghandi, Abdul
Ba'ha, Steven Biko, Reinhold Niebhur ...

The "meek" have learned that they have better things to do with thier
time than deal with a bunch of chest-pounding. "Yeah, you-big-Gorilla.
Big focking deal. Pardon me, I've got work to do."

John H.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:41:30 GMT, "R. L."

Susan you are the only one who can
move the situation forward since you do have the files.

Exactly. The same situation we had over 300 posts ago.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

If the email is only about issues which should be public there is no
reason to keep it secret.

Especially if both parties are happy for the contents to be discussed
publicly.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

Are you guys expecting Geena to pay for and turn the domain over to
someone else? That certainly doesn't seem right. Both her and SOS have
a history with the concept and the site and they might well want to
continue development.

Exactly. But isn't the whole point of the character assassination of
Genna to get her to relinquish ownership of the domain ?

The domain really isn't important.

Exactly, files can easily be moved to another site.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

<Removed all the rubbish.>

Which is why Susan, I have repeatedly suggested that an intermediary
is *needed*. You are obviously not going to contact the others to find
out if the existing name/domain will be available. Therefor in short,
as I said before - you are not attempting to meet the wishes of many
of the acf subscribers.

< snip >

Why should she ? Susan represents Susan. Not ACF readers. If she had
of represented us then she would have done the above BEFORE making
her first post. There is no point talking about moving a domain if the
domain holder doesn't wish this to be done.

I suggest you stop messing this group about.

Not much chance of that IMO.

I cannot blame Genna and SOS for sitting back on this one, I would do
the same in their position.

Agreed. Especially if people don't have the common courtesy to ask
them the most basic of questions required for this discussion.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

Then how do you know anyone asked them about the domain issue ?

"Queen bees" object to anyone asking them anything. Be thankful you
even got a reply. However useless.

There is little chance of that. These threads of Susan's are childish
in the extreme.

The answer to the question is *NO* *COMMENT*.

I'm handicapped by early training in legal matters (training that took
place quite literally at my father's knee).

I was taught that private means *private* - you do not communicate
*anything* about private communications - you should not even tell
people that there has been private communication.

That would have to be one of the silliest things I have ever read on
usenet. These discussions are going from bad to worse.

I'm having difficulty in adapting to Usenet. . .

I think some people here would say that you are having difficulty
acting like an adult. Rather than a spoilt brat who wants to have "her
way".

"Go and have a private discussion - then come back and tell us all about
it."

Are you really as stupid as you seem to be making out you are ? If you
email someone then why would that need to be a secret ? Duh !

"Don't disclose email correspondence." Disclosing the facts is a breach
of privacy.

Rubbish. All one needs to do is add to an email, "Can I tell the group
the answer you have given ?"

< snip >

 

[John Fitzsimons]

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:39:12 -0400, Susan Bugher

Privacy issues are not a childish matter. IMO emails are either private
or they're not. IMO "gossiping" about the contents of private emails is
just plain wrong.

If the contents of an email is relevant to ACF readers, in particular
this thread, then it should be disclosed. All it takes is permission
from the relevant parties. Duh !

I am as anxious as everyone else to see this matter settled.

I think what you might have meant to say was ;

I am as anxious as everyone else to see this matter settled *my way*.

I hope that
questions about the domain name will be answered soon. I don't know why
we are still waiting for a post from SOS and/or Genna.

Why are you expecting any post from SOS or Genna ?

 

[John Fitzsimons]

Fanman_UK wrote:

Genna is reading what is happening here, and so far she has not made any
attempt to solve the problems which is really working.

The "problem" is that Susan refuses to work with Genna. Interesting
how you ignore that point.

There is no need for any email questions to her, by anybody, as this
situation is a question in itself.

Genna owns the domain. She needs to be contacted IF anyone is wanting
that domain to be directed elsewhere.

Genna has been confrontative and argumentative when she could have been
supportive and understanding. That is the problem.

< snip >

Susan has been confrontational and argumentative when she could have
been supportive and understanding. That is the problem. Susan is the
one who started these dopey threads. Not Genna.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

I try to understand both camps,

Pity you made no attempt to do that here.

 

[Roger Johansson]

This social darwinism idea is often referred to by the tough people.
But they forget that cooperation of the meek win over the individually
strong and tough guys.

Yeah, like ML King, Rosa Parks, Sojourner Truth, Mohandas Ghandi, Abdul
Ba'ha, Steven Biko, Reinhold Niebhur ...

We can add Aristotle, Dag Hammarskjold, and millions of other thinking
people who have created the modern laws and shaped our world.
Without them there would be no human rights, no equality between men and
women, no schools and health care for the poor, no voting rights for
common people, etc..
The struggle for a better world for everybody is still going on, and the
chestpounding big gorilla types still control parts of the social field,
but the meek are building a better world in the background.

The "meek" have learned that they have better things to do with thier
time than deal with a bunch of chest-pounding. "Yeah, you-big-Gorilla.
Big focking deal. Pardon me, I've got work to do."

John H.

A lot of youngsters today admire the tough guys, we see that in
television channels like MTV, a lot of their idols look like bikers or
inner city gang types, gangster rappers, a lot of muscles and big gold
chains around their necks, aggressive attitudes, etc..

Youngsters who follow such ideals often end in jail, while youngsters
who can think for themselves end as teachers, judges, architects,
engineers, doctors, politicians, and these people are building the
future world.

Usenet is a big learning tool, where we can help each other think
clearly and learn to cooperate. It is not the tough guys who use big
words who win in the end. There are no easy solutions, we all have to
learn and become wiser.

 

[PuppyKatt]

Well said.

: Fanman_UK wrote:
:
: > If you are not prepared
: > to ask about the name/domain personally, use an intermediary.
: > If existing name is definitely not available, then that will be the
: > time to discuss alternatives.
:
: Genna is reading what is happening here, and so far she has not made
any
: attempt to solve the problems which is really working.
:
: There is no need for any email questions to her, by anybody, as this
: situation is a question in itself.
:
: > I cannot blame Genna and SOS for sitting back on this one, I would
do
: > the same in their position.
:
: I didn't blame Genna from the beginning, but now I am beginning to see
: why she is difficult to work with.
:
: She jumped in and started to argue about who was right and wrong in
the
: past immediately when Susan came back, which was very bad timing.
:
: Genna has been confrontative and argumentative when she could have
been
: supportive and understanding. That is the problem.
:
: She demands a certain kind of mindset instead of accepting a more
human
: approach. Genna can only work with people who have very thick skin on
: their noses, not with people who are not tough enough according to her
: standards.
:
: At the bottom of this is a cultural problem. Genna stands for the
: culture which demands that you must be able to take a punch and give a
: punch, and you must be able to stand up for yourself in a certain way.
:
: She can help/force Susan get tougher, but she cannot cooperate with
her
: as long as she is like Susan is and wants to continue to be.
:
: This is a very common problem everywhere in our society.
: People who are very tough are very eager to help/force others to
become
: tougher, but refuse to cooperate with people who are not up to their
own
: standards of toughness.
:
: The whole society, and especially the media channels, is a big boot
camp
: with constant training in violence and concentration, to force
everybody
: to become very tough and confrontational.
:
: Bob Marley: Get up, stand up, stand up for your rights..
: Jeopardy: Learn to think twice..
: Police series and trauma surgery programs: Learn to live with extreme
: levels of violence and high concentration.
:
: People like Genna can stand up for themselves, but they are not really
: happy and do not have the inspiration to do a job like Susan can.
: Men are not happy, they need women to be happy.
: Women need children or pets to be happy, but they need men to feel
safe.
: We all need somebody who is nicer and more like children to be happy,
: but we make these children older and tougher as we socialize with
them.
:
: We are all stretched between two poles in our lives. We need to become
: tougher to feel strong and fit into a tough world, but we need to
relax
: and become open like children to feel well with ourselves.
:
: We should learn to cooperate with softer and nicer people without
: forcing them to become tougher and stronger.
:
:
: --
: Roger J.
:
:
:

 

[Susan Bugher]

(e-mail address removed) (ImokUrok2) says in

Hey, this is a good one.

I agree - wish I'd thought of it - credit belongs to someone else. . .

Susan