pricelessware or pricelesswarehome--what's the difference?

[Susan Bugher]

Other than the webpage design, how are the two sites different? Is
either one of them the "Official" page or is it up to the user to
determine which site is more pleasing to the eye?

Opinions on whether one *site* is "official" vary. *Official* pages
are also a matter of opinion. IMO one difference stands out.

The *official* acf Ware Glossary is here:

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/WareGlossary.htm

By *official* I mean the Glossary definitions agreed upon by
alt.comp.freeware participants last year after lengthy discussion - the
definitions reviewed and revised by ACF participants this year.

Garrett has created a web page with "Ware Definitions" and the
Pricelessware logo. Those definitions are *not* the same as the
definitions in the Ware Glossary.

When the voting for new programs is completed, do both sites mirror each
other or will there be different votes and different programs?

ACF will have one PL2005 Selection Process and one "official"
Pricelessware program list.

This split has made things very confusing.

I'm sure it will all be clearer eventually. . .
or more confused. . .

Susan

 

[badgolferman]

Other than the webpage design, how are the two sites different? Is
either one of them the "Official" page or is it up to the user to
determine which site is more pleasing to the eye?

When the voting for new programs is completed, do both sites mirror each
other or will there be different votes and different programs?

This split has made things very confusing.

P.S. The redesign of Pricelessware.org was a smart idea. It separates
itself from the pack. It can still use some tweaking but it certainly
is more user friendly.

 

[REM]

"badgolferman" <[email protected]> wrote:

Other than the webpage design, how are the two sites different? Is
either one of them the "Official" page or is it up to the user to
determine which site is more pleasing to the eye?

It appears there was a split and where there was one great site, we now have
two. Official is tough to nail down. The group is dynamic with different people
coming and going. It's best that we each decide on what official means
personally and visit one, or both sites.

The pricelesswarehome.org site is funded by a group of people who like the way
the site has been run, democratically, in the past couple of years. We are
amazed at Susan's ability and dedication.

I cannot say the least unflattering thing about Geena and Garrett, as I tuned in
after they departed. I do not know either except for the more recent posts each
has made. Everything seems to be going smoothly in a two for one deal.

To me, I was ready to back Susan's dedication simply because this is the
greatest volunteer project I've ever witnessed and I wished it to continue
democratically as it has been since I first found this group. As simple as that.

When the voting for new programs is completed, do both sites mirror each
other or will there be different votes and different programs?

I think so.

This split has made things very confusing.

It's not that big of a deal really, simply choose, none, one, or both. There are
no wrong answers. The content might differ slightly, but the same basic
information should be located at either site.

P.S. The redesign of Pricelessware.org was a smart idea. It separates
itself from the pack. It can still use some tweaking but it certainly
is more user friendly.

Preference is individual. I'm sure both webmasters would like to receive any
feedback anyone has concerning the sites.

 

[Aaron]

It appears there was a split and where there was one great site, we
now have two. Official is tough to nail down. The group is dynamic
with different people coming and going. It's best that we each decide
on what official means personally and visit one, or both sites.

DO a google search for Pricelessware, which site popups first?

 

[REM]

DO a google search for Pricelessware, which site popups first?

It takes a great deal of time to accummulate points Googlewise to display first
in the returned results. They use a pretty complex algorithm that makes it
difficult to impossible for an old site to be displayed after a new site in this
situation. We're talking about being google listed for 3-4 years, being linked
from web sites worldwide, and with a few magazine articles listing it versus a
new site a tad bit older than one month here.

The site work during that period of time I've been here, while the site was
building it's top google ranking, is currently being continued at the new site.
You probably know all that already.

So, what then? Can I infer that your position is that the old site is official
because it comes up first in a google search; and that the official site will
change as google rankings change, in the same fairness? C'mon.

Isn't it better for all that we don't enter that line of threading again?

 

[Garrett]

DO a google search for Pricelessware, which site popups first?

That's not really a fair assesment of the situation currently. Susan
deserves the credit she is due. Unfortunately, the move she made has
it's drawbacks and web search ranks was a drawback. Her site will
eventually climb it's way up there also.

The site I'm working now has been in operation for some time now, and
it's due to everyone who has helped keep going, including Susan. But
there's no way to redirect these search results, or split them up so
that her site could would get half... heheheehee, kind of like getting
divorced ya know. :-(

-Garrett

 

[Garrett]

Susan Bugher wrote:

[snip]

I'm sure it will all be clearer eventually. . .
or more confused. . .

Susan

It will become clearer eventually.

-Garrett

 

[badgolferman]

I'm sure it will all be clearer eventually. . .
or more confused. . .

Susan

Susan, it seems you are stuck in the past.
Please check your clock and/or time zone.
Your post shows 8/15/2004 10:37 PM

 

[Jack D. Russell, Sr.]

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* Reply by Jack D. Russell, Sr. <[email protected]>
* Newsgroup: alt.comp.freeware
* Reply to: All; "REM" <[email protected]>
* Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:37:51 -0500 GMT
* Subj: Re: pricelessware or pricelesswarehome--what's the difference?
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R>It takes a great deal of time to accummulate points Googlewise to
R>display first in the returned results. They use a pretty complex
R>algorithm that makes it difficult to impossible for an old site to
R>be displayed after a new site in this situation. We're talking
R>about being google listed for 3-4 years, being linked from web
R>sites worldwide, and with a few magazine articles listing it
R>versus a new site a tad bit older than one month here.

All excellent reasons for choosing the official Pricelessware website.
Couldn't have said it any better myself. Thank you.

 

[Susan Bugher]

Susan, it seems you are stuck in the past.
Please check your clock and/or time zone.
Your post shows 8/15/2004 10:37 PM

Ack! Thank you. I have a computer problem. . . so far the cause has
refused to identify itself. . . I forgot to reset the clock when I
plugged everything back in yesterday. Wish me luck - and remind me to
set the clock again tomorrow. . .

Susan

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

Ack! Thank you. I have a computer problem. . . so far the cause
has refused to identify itself. . . I forgot to reset the clock
when I plugged everything back in yesterday. Wish me luck - and
remind me to set the clock again tomorrow. . .

There's some freeware to help, listed under . . . Organizers?

<http://pricelesswarehome.org/2004/PL2004ORGANIZERS.htm#TimeSynchronizer>

Good luck with whatever the root problem is.

 

[jo]

Wish me luck - and remind me to
set the clock again tomorrow. . .

Daft bat. Put Neutron in yer startup and tell it to exit after setting.

 

[REM]

"Jack D. Russell, Sr." <[email protected]> wrote:

R>It takes a great deal of time to accummulate points Googlewise to
R>display first in the returned results. They use a pretty complex
R>algorithm that makes it difficult to impossible for an old site to
R>be displayed after a new site in this situation. We're talking
R>about being google listed for 3-4 years, being linked from web
R>sites worldwide, and with a few magazine articles listing it
R>versus a new site a tad bit older than one month here.

All excellent reasons for choosing the official Pricelessware website.
Couldn't have said it any better myself. Thank you.

Neither of you elaborated any clear points. Both replies beg for huge reader
interpretation.

Are you agreeing that whichever site shows up first in a Google search should be
the official site?

If not, I miss completely your intended reply to the portion of text that you
quoted above. What does an official site have to do with the results of a Google
search and the algorithm that returns the results?

I'm unsure of what you seek. Of course you can call a vote yourself as can
anyone here. What exactly would you like to vote on?

We can see if the interest is there or if threads like this one are quite
unwelcome now. I suspect the latter myself. Do I need to start filling in my son
to take over in the event of my demise? <G> What is it going to take?

 

[Aaron]

It takes a great deal of time to accummulate points Googlewise to
display first in the returned results. They use a pretty complex
algorithm that makes it difficult to impossible for an old site to be
displayed after a new site in this situation.

Not that complicated really in the generalities, just accumulate as many
links as possible, boost Pagerank, get a good keyword density , proper
domain name etc, But the incoming links is the main thing. But you know
that already and I disgress.

We're talking about

being google listed for 3-4 years, being linked from web sites
worldwide, and with a few magazine articles listing it versus a new
site a tad bit older than one month here.

The site work during that period of time I've been here, while the
site was building it's top google ranking, is currently being
continued at the new site. You probably know all that already.

I don't. I haven't being keeping track of the "pricelessware home page
saga", despite reading this group daily.I don't know who are or were
behind the 2 different pages. It might come as a shock to you, but I'm
not even sure which one of the 2 is the original one, since in the past I
always enter "pricelessware" in google when i needed the site.

Okay I did a bit of research it seems that the original content by Susan
is now on a new domain http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/ correct? You are
backing that site too, though your work in the past to boost the PR of
the old domain is now coming back to haunt you?

The original domain now hosts a different design by yet another set of
people led by Garett?

Did I get it right?

So, what then? Can I infer that your position is that the old site is
official

By old site you mean the original domain of www.pricelessware.org? The
contents there appear to be new.

because it comes up first in a google search; and that the
official site will change as google rankings change, in the same
fairness? C'mon.

Am I to infer from your statements that you will be trying to wrestle the
No 1 spot on google? That might be hard. Given that
www.pricelessware.org is a much better domain name and by default tons of
links go to it by default.

My point in mentioning google is that, like it or not, the site listed as
first is extremely likely to be perecived as the real site.
www.pricelesswarehome.org (too long) is not helped by the fact that the
domain name doesn't look as official as www.pricelessware.org and looks
like a spoof of the later.

I say this as someone who is offically netural with respect to the
pricelessware homepage wars.So not flaming thanks

 

[Susan Bugher]

Susan Bugher wrote:




Daft bat. Put Neutron in yer startup and tell it to exit after setting.

Guilty as charge. Neutron is there. . . but not on autopilot. . .

Susan