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Jack
He will not answer a question when challenged. His ranting is a way of
getting people to go away. It is either his way or no way.
Good try though...
Jack
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He will not answer a question when challenged. His ranting is a way of
getting people to go away. It is either his way or no way.
Good try though...
Jack
J
John Kelly
Hello yet again,
I am not aware of any person actually defining what network aware is, would
you care to qualify your remarks, or are you going to say that this is a
rant.
Dana, It is my sincere wish that you take time out and have a breather. You
do not seem to be able to take note of the fact that when someone will not
accept your point of view that they have a right to be that way. Such a
right can not by any standard in the civilized world be called a RANT. Your
method of dealing with that issue is the stereo typical attitude that women
have fought to shed for many generations.
I strongly recommend that you add me to your kill file for one very good
reason, when I believe I am right I do not back down because someone
accuses me of ranting, I do not back down when the children you previously
referred to and I do not back down because some one called Mr Eddy in.
You will not find one bad word from me, you will not see me calling some
one else psychopathic or other highly insulting names, and when Mr. Eddy
refuses to deal with that issue (thats his job by the way) and instead
attempts to answer a question that was not asked and then leave...you will
find one person is still here...so add me to your kill file please do.
I am not aware of any person actually defining what network aware is, would
you care to qualify your remarks, or are you going to say that this is a
rant.
Dana, It is my sincere wish that you take time out and have a breather. You
do not seem to be able to take note of the fact that when someone will not
accept your point of view that they have a right to be that way. Such a
right can not by any standard in the civilized world be called a RANT. Your
method of dealing with that issue is the stereo typical attitude that women
have fought to shed for many generations.
I strongly recommend that you add me to your kill file for one very good
reason, when I believe I am right I do not back down because someone
accuses me of ranting, I do not back down when the children you previously
referred to and I do not back down because some one called Mr Eddy in.
You will not find one bad word from me, you will not see me calling some
one else psychopathic or other highly insulting names, and when Mr. Eddy
refuses to deal with that issue (thats his job by the way) and instead
attempts to answer a question that was not asked and then leave...you will
find one person is still here...so add me to your kill file please do.
J
John Kelly
Hello Again Mr Eddy,
I have to say that I am very disappointed by your attitude. Its quite clear
who you are referring to, but you have now fallen to the same level as the
person JAKE or whatever it is he calls himself today.
I am quite sure that you are very disappointed that I have not committed
some indiscretion that you could boot me from this newsgroup for, but in
the meantime you have let yourself down, you have let Microsoft down and
you leave those people who have bothered to read this wondering what the
newsgroup administrator actually does do.
In the meantime, the mvp papajohn is making statements about Microsoft
products that cannot be supported. Movie Maker by any standard is NOT
network aware ! period.
I have to say that I am very disappointed by your attitude. Its quite clear
who you are referring to, but you have now fallen to the same level as the
person JAKE or whatever it is he calls himself today.
I am quite sure that you are very disappointed that I have not committed
some indiscretion that you could boot me from this newsgroup for, but in
the meantime you have let yourself down, you have let Microsoft down and
you leave those people who have bothered to read this wondering what the
newsgroup administrator actually does do.
In the meantime, the mvp papajohn is making statements about Microsoft
products that cannot be supported. Movie Maker by any standard is NOT
network aware ! period.
A
Andrew Brown [MS]
Just for the record:
On the issue of "network awareness", I consulted the Networking MVP Lead
here and we determined that while OS Network Awareness (what we believe is
John Kelly's definition) is arguably the most common definition of "network
awareness", there is a second definition referred to as Application Network
Awareness which would cover PapaJohn's use of the term. Given that PapaJohn
used the term in quotes (indicating that it was not necessarily formal
usage) and provided additional context in the post itself to explain what he
meant, it does not seem as though any real possibility of confusion exists;
therefore, I don't see any reason for a corrective statement to be made by
PapaJohn.
It is also worth noting that an MVP awarded in a certain area is not
required to be an expert in unrelated areas. Whether or not a Digital Media
MVP has a complete understanding of tracert, databases, digital signing of
e-mail or HTML posting is irrelevant if they are providing useful assistance
in their area of expertise. Nor is it reasonable to extrapolate that lack of
knowledge in one area implies lack of knowledge in a different area.
Finally, some accusations were recently brought up again regarding MVPs
supporting "pornography". I wanted to be clear to all here that these were
looked into previously and determined to be *completely unfounded* - they
resulted from apparent confusion on the part of one user surrounding the
network television show "The Apprentice" (which as far as I know, no one has
claimed to be at all pornographic). I am not sure how this misconception has
continued - at the time it was made very clear that the video in question
was an attempt to be selected to compete on the television show - but it
simply has no basis in fact.
I continue to be pleased with the tremendous amount of accurate and useful
information MVPs have posted here helping users in this newsgroup, and
believe that despite the occasional vocal dissenter, most of those here feel
the same way.
Regards,
On the issue of "network awareness", I consulted the Networking MVP Lead
here and we determined that while OS Network Awareness (what we believe is
John Kelly's definition) is arguably the most common definition of "network
awareness", there is a second definition referred to as Application Network
Awareness which would cover PapaJohn's use of the term. Given that PapaJohn
used the term in quotes (indicating that it was not necessarily formal
usage) and provided additional context in the post itself to explain what he
meant, it does not seem as though any real possibility of confusion exists;
therefore, I don't see any reason for a corrective statement to be made by
PapaJohn.
It is also worth noting that an MVP awarded in a certain area is not
required to be an expert in unrelated areas. Whether or not a Digital Media
MVP has a complete understanding of tracert, databases, digital signing of
e-mail or HTML posting is irrelevant if they are providing useful assistance
in their area of expertise. Nor is it reasonable to extrapolate that lack of
knowledge in one area implies lack of knowledge in a different area.
Finally, some accusations were recently brought up again regarding MVPs
supporting "pornography". I wanted to be clear to all here that these were
looked into previously and determined to be *completely unfounded* - they
resulted from apparent confusion on the part of one user surrounding the
network television show "The Apprentice" (which as far as I know, no one has
claimed to be at all pornographic). I am not sure how this misconception has
continued - at the time it was made very clear that the video in question
was an attempt to be selected to compete on the television show - but it
simply has no basis in fact.
I continue to be pleased with the tremendous amount of accurate and useful
information MVPs have posted here helping users in this newsgroup, and
believe that despite the occasional vocal dissenter, most of those here feel
the same way.
Regards,
F
FU
John said:You will not find one bad word from me, ...
YOU ARE SUCH A LIAR!
FROM YOUR ORIGINAL POST, YOU SAID ABOUT PAPAJOHN:
"the guy is off his rocker"
"my dog knows more about this than he does"
"these fools were put in the kill file"
HAVE A NICE DAY, JOHNNY BOY!
D
Dana Cline - MVP
Dana, It is my sincere wish that you take time out and have a breather.
You
Which is interesting, as I'm not female. See www.logicsmith.com for more
info.
I don't care whether you back down or not - it's immaterial to my original
question. What I _still_ would like to know is what, exactly, is "network
aware"? Since you won't answer the question, I'll break it down further...
Does network aware mean the app can use UNC paths? I bet MM2 passes this
test. Does network aware mean that it uses sockets? It probably doesn't pass
this one, but the only use I could think of for this is to allow files to
come in and out via FTP. Does network aware mean the program can split
itself among multiple CPUs (aka clusters)? In that case, probably not. Until
I know what your answer is, I can no more judge your technical competence
than I can PapaJohn's. From what I've seen so far reading this newsgroup
over the past month, both of you are technically competent. That's why it
pains me to see this rift over what on the surface appears to be a technical
nit.
Dana Cline - MVP
You
do not seem to be able to take note of the fact that when someone will not
accept your point of view that they have a right to be that way. Such a
right can not by any standard in the civilized world be called a RANT. Your
method of dealing with that issue is the stereo typical attitude that women
have fought to shed for many generations.
Which is interesting, as I'm not female. See www.logicsmith.com for more
info.
I strongly recommend that you add me to your kill file for one very good
reason, when I believe I am right I do not back down because someone
accuses me of ranting, I do not back down when the children you previously
referred to and I do not back down because some one called Mr Eddy in.
I don't care whether you back down or not - it's immaterial to my original
question. What I _still_ would like to know is what, exactly, is "network
aware"? Since you won't answer the question, I'll break it down further...
Does network aware mean the app can use UNC paths? I bet MM2 passes this
test. Does network aware mean that it uses sockets? It probably doesn't pass
this one, but the only use I could think of for this is to allow files to
come in and out via FTP. Does network aware mean the program can split
itself among multiple CPUs (aka clusters)? In that case, probably not. Until
I know what your answer is, I can no more judge your technical competence
than I can PapaJohn's. From what I've seen so far reading this newsgroup
over the past month, both of you are technically competent. That's why it
pains me to see this rift over what on the surface appears to be a technical
nit.
Dana Cline - MVP
J
John Kelly
Hello Mr. Brown,
Why did you consult another MVP lead...ASK A NETWORK CONSULTANT WHO IS
PREPARED TO PUT HIS NAME TO IT
Frankly you are playing with words...by the definition you choose to use
every microsoft product is network aware. I strongly disagree with your
selective choice of words obviously done in order to support the mvp
papajohn. and whats this "in quotes" business??? You should run for the
Senate
Its quite simpl...he talked rubbish, no amount of your twisting words is
going to change that fact....if we were to believe you EVERY software
package made by microsoft is network aware....COMPLETE RUBBISH and you know
it
I have never said that his mvp status has anything to do with his network
knowledge, but if you would care to read the CV your company published on
him and provided you realise it yourself you will see that he cannot have
had those qualifications without network knowledge.
Once again, your stattments are not correct...the program refered to was
The Apprentice 2. Do a basic search of the internet...you will find an
alarming amount of data on the subject ALL HIGHLY PORNOGRAPHIC Here is the
least offensive link. To me its offencsive anyway...but as it only take one
exception to iunvalidate a statement such as yours...here it is. There are a
lot more that are sdo pornogtraphic I am amazed they are still on-line. By
the way...the God GOOGLE (for the fools in here who say they could not find
any of these links) is not that good a search engine....the proof is in the
result. and I can flood this message with similar links...you refer to some
misconception...would you like me to include all of these links so that we
can watch you twist your above words so that they can take on your next new
meaning????
DO NOT GO TO THE LINK BELOW ITS THE LEAST PORNOGRAPHIC SITE I COULD FIND
THAT DEMONSTRATES THAT MR BROWN HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE ISA TALKING ABOUT
http://www.friskyfans.org/reviews/theapprentice2.htm
How can you be pleased with "accurate" you have demonstrated above that
you have no idea at all, but...
I take it all back, I was a network designer and manager for a number of
years and consulted with one of you VP's who flew to the UK just to see what
I was doing. I dearly wish I could remember who it was, I would send him a
copy of this lot.
I taught my son, who now travels the world for a very large company
fixing other peoples network problems...and he is both Microsoft and Novell
qualified and re-qualified in all matters regarding networks of all types..
he has to be, he spends more days in the air travelling from place to place
around the world than is decent.
He earns a very large amount of money due to his skills and we have both
had a real good laugh at Papajohn and his statement. I think he is going to
fall of the chair when he sees how you have warped and twisted words so that
you can adopt the stance that papajohn is correct...you are walking very
dangerous ground indeed, you have put these remarks into the public domain
and if there are any people in here other than me that know what network
aware means they are going to be having a very long laugh at your expense.
John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
Not Running for Political Office
A retired Network Designer and Manager who a Microsoft Vice President
thought was good enough to fly from the USA to the UK to see what I was
doing in the area of networks and databases....... Draw your own conclusions
Andrew Brown said:Just for the record:
On the issue of "network awareness", I consulted the Networking MVP Lead
here and we determined that while OS Network Awareness (what we believe is
John Kelly's definition) is arguably the most common definition of "network
awareness", there is a second definition referred to as Application Network
Awareness which would cover PapaJohn's use of the term. Given that PapaJohn
used the term in quotes (indicating that it was not necessarily formal
usage) and provided additional context in the post itself to explain what he
meant, it does not seem as though any real possibility of confusion exists;
therefore, I don't see any reason for a corrective statement to be made by
PapaJohn.
Why did you consult another MVP lead...ASK A NETWORK CONSULTANT WHO IS
PREPARED TO PUT HIS NAME TO IT
Frankly you are playing with words...by the definition you choose to use
every microsoft product is network aware. I strongly disagree with your
selective choice of words obviously done in order to support the mvp
papajohn. and whats this "in quotes" business??? You should run for the
Senate
Its quite simpl...he talked rubbish, no amount of your twisting words is
going to change that fact....if we were to believe you EVERY software
package made by microsoft is network aware....COMPLETE RUBBISH and you know
it
It is also worth noting that an MVP awarded in a certain area is not
required to be an expert in unrelated areas. Whether or not a Digital Media
MVP has a complete understanding of tracert, databases, digital signing of
e-mail or HTML posting is irrelevant if they are providing useful assistance
in their area of expertise. Nor is it reasonable to extrapolate that lack of
knowledge in one area implies lack of knowledge in a different area.
I have never said that his mvp status has anything to do with his network
knowledge, but if you would care to read the CV your company published on
him and provided you realise it yourself you will see that he cannot have
had those qualifications without network knowledge.
Finally, some accusations were recently brought up again regarding MVPs
supporting "pornography". I wanted to be clear to all here that these were
looked into previously and determined to be *completely unfounded* - they
resulted from apparent confusion on the part of one user surrounding the
network television show "The Apprentice" (which as far as I know, no one has
claimed to be at all pornographic). I am not sure how this misconception has
continued - at the time it was made very clear that the video in question
was an attempt to be selected to compete on the television show - but it
simply has no basis in fact.
Once again, your stattments are not correct...the program refered to was
The Apprentice 2. Do a basic search of the internet...you will find an
alarming amount of data on the subject ALL HIGHLY PORNOGRAPHIC Here is the
least offensive link. To me its offencsive anyway...but as it only take one
exception to iunvalidate a statement such as yours...here it is. There are a
lot more that are sdo pornogtraphic I am amazed they are still on-line. By
the way...the God GOOGLE (for the fools in here who say they could not find
any of these links) is not that good a search engine....the proof is in the
result. and I can flood this message with similar links...you refer to some
misconception...would you like me to include all of these links so that we
can watch you twist your above words so that they can take on your next new
meaning????
DO NOT GO TO THE LINK BELOW ITS THE LEAST PORNOGRAPHIC SITE I COULD FIND
THAT DEMONSTRATES THAT MR BROWN HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE ISA TALKING ABOUT
http://www.friskyfans.org/reviews/theapprentice2.htm
I continue to be pleased with the tremendous amount of accurate and useful
information MVPs have posted here helping users in this newsgroup, and
believe that despite the occasional vocal dissenter, most of those here feel
the same way.
How can you be pleased with "accurate" you have demonstrated above that
you have no idea at all, but...
I take it all back, I was a network designer and manager for a number of
years and consulted with one of you VP's who flew to the UK just to see what
I was doing. I dearly wish I could remember who it was, I would send him a
copy of this lot.
I taught my son, who now travels the world for a very large company
fixing other peoples network problems...and he is both Microsoft and Novell
qualified and re-qualified in all matters regarding networks of all types..
he has to be, he spends more days in the air travelling from place to place
around the world than is decent.
He earns a very large amount of money due to his skills and we have both
had a real good laugh at Papajohn and his statement. I think he is going to
fall of the chair when he sees how you have warped and twisted words so that
you can adopt the stance that papajohn is correct...you are walking very
dangerous ground indeed, you have put these remarks into the public domain
and if there are any people in here other than me that know what network
aware means they are going to be having a very long laugh at your expense.
John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
Not Running for Political Office
A retired Network Designer and Manager who a Microsoft Vice President
thought was good enough to fly from the USA to the UK to see what I was
doing in the area of networks and databases....... Draw your own conclusions
J
John Kelly
No I am not a liar...not one of those words is distastful.......
J
John Kelly
Please accept my apologies for believing your responses were stereo typical
of the female part of humankind.....It does not say very much though...
I tell you what, you have consistently said that you are tired of this
thread, yet you continue to post in it...therefore you are a liar....nothing
else you say can be of much interest as we cannot trust a word you say.
Please also note that the splendid performance put in by Mr Brown regarding
the wrong assertion by papajohn that Movie Maker is network aware does not
change in any way shape or form that papajohn is wrong
of the female part of humankind.....It does not say very much though...
I tell you what, you have consistently said that you are tired of this
thread, yet you continue to post in it...therefore you are a liar....nothing
else you say can be of much interest as we cannot trust a word you say.
Please also note that the splendid performance put in by Mr Brown regarding
the wrong assertion by papajohn that Movie Maker is network aware does not
change in any way shape or form that papajohn is wrong
J
John Kelly
Hello again,
I'm sorry I did not see the rest of your message...the fact that you or any
other MVP connected with this issue worries me greatly as you are all
displaying a level of knowledge that is desperately low.
If you are in pain for gods sake go away...I can tell you one thing you say
you are not a woman, but you don't seem to be able to do anything that in
any way matches what you claim....are you so devoid of anything interesting
to the extent that the only way you can talk to some one is to first tell
them how tired you are of listening to what they say and that you are
pained by what they say...FOR GODS SAKE WOMAN!!! SHUT UP AND LISTEN TO THE
PLAY BACK OF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND THEN DO WHAT WE ALL MOST EARNESTLY
HOPE YOU WILL DO.....SHUT UP !!!
I'm sorry I did not see the rest of your message...the fact that you or any
other MVP connected with this issue worries me greatly as you are all
displaying a level of knowledge that is desperately low.
If you are in pain for gods sake go away...I can tell you one thing you say
you are not a woman, but you don't seem to be able to do anything that in
any way matches what you claim....are you so devoid of anything interesting
to the extent that the only way you can talk to some one is to first tell
them how tired you are of listening to what they say and that you are
pained by what they say...FOR GODS SAKE WOMAN!!! SHUT UP AND LISTEN TO THE
PLAY BACK OF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND THEN DO WHAT WE ALL MOST EARNESTLY
HOPE YOU WILL DO.....SHUT UP !!!
J
John Kelly
Hello again,
To me, "network aware" as it was written by the mvp papajohn means
anything and all things to do with being aware that a network exists and
that therefore certain protocols must also exist...we can talk about file
sharing if you like, we can talk about record locking (its own internal
information...where the collections are where the files are what network
locks have been imposed what is the name of the person privileged to access
that piece of information etc etc etc etc etc....) I could go on of
course...I could refer you to the abysmal help papajohn has tried to give on
several occasions to school teachers who want to network Movie Maker and of
course fail, why do they fail??? they fail because MOVIE MAKER IS NOT
NETWORK AWARE !!!! it deletes files that others are still using, it forgets
where things are stored because another copy went and moved it else
where...its A COMPLETE NETWORK DUNCE
In fact, that gives me an idea, lets get those teachers who have had to
spend money on alternatives because of this lack of network awareness and
ask them about their first hand experiences...perhaps Mr Brown would like to
assure them that papajohn must be correct because he went and asked another
mvp LOL or perhaps he did not include his remarks in quotes...maybe that's
why these teachers feel somewhat let down
Have a nice day
John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
A Retired Network Designer and Manager
Father of one son who was taught at home and as a result earns a lot of
money fixing networks for very large corporations
Getting the message yet???
To me, "network aware" as it was written by the mvp papajohn means
anything and all things to do with being aware that a network exists and
that therefore certain protocols must also exist...we can talk about file
sharing if you like, we can talk about record locking (its own internal
information...where the collections are where the files are what network
locks have been imposed what is the name of the person privileged to access
that piece of information etc etc etc etc etc....) I could go on of
course...I could refer you to the abysmal help papajohn has tried to give on
several occasions to school teachers who want to network Movie Maker and of
course fail, why do they fail??? they fail because MOVIE MAKER IS NOT
NETWORK AWARE !!!! it deletes files that others are still using, it forgets
where things are stored because another copy went and moved it else
where...its A COMPLETE NETWORK DUNCE
In fact, that gives me an idea, lets get those teachers who have had to
spend money on alternatives because of this lack of network awareness and
ask them about their first hand experiences...perhaps Mr Brown would like to
assure them that papajohn must be correct because he went and asked another
mvp LOL or perhaps he did not include his remarks in quotes...maybe that's
why these teachers feel somewhat let down
Have a nice day
John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
A Retired Network Designer and Manager
Father of one son who was taught at home and as a result earns a lot of
money fixing networks for very large corporations
Getting the message yet???
J
Jack
Hello again,
I'm sorry I did not see the rest of your message...the fact that
you or any other MVP connected with this issue worries me greatly
as you are all displaying a level of knowledge that is
desperately low.
If you are in pain for gods sake go away...I can tell you one
thing you say you are not a woman, but you don't seem to be able
to do anything that in any way matches what you claim....are you
so devoid of anything interesting to the extent that the only way
you can talk to some one is to first tell them how tired you are
of listening to what they say and that you are pained by what
they say...FOR GODS SAKE WOMAN!!! SHUT UP AND LISTEN TO THE
PLAY BACK OF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND THEN DO WHAT WE ALL MOST
EARNESTLY HOPE YOU WILL DO.....SHUT UP !!!
My gosh, it seems we have a misogynist in the group. I've heard of them. Do
they all shout and scream like that?
Jack
J
John Kelly
Hello PRATT,
WHO ARE YOU TALKING TO PRATT??
WHO ARE YOU TALKING TO PRATT??
Jack said:My gosh, it seems we have a misogynist in the group. I've heard of them. Do
they all shout and scream like that?
Jack
J
John Kelly
Hello Pratt,
WHO ARE YOU TALKING TO PRATT???
WHO ARE YOU TALKING TO PRATT???
Jack said:Get a life you rambling fool. Who are you reolying to anyway. You have
lost it.
Jack
J
John Kelly
Hello Pratt,
WHO ARE YOU TALKING TO PRATT???
WHO ARE YOU TALKING TO PRATT???
Jack said:Talking to yourself again
Jack
J
John Kelly
Hello Pratt,
WHO ARE YOU TALKING TO PRATT???
WHO ARE YOU TALKING TO PRATT???
Jack said:Talking to yourself again?
Jack
J
John Kelly
Hello Pratt,
WHO ARE YOU TALKING TO PRATT???
WHO ARE YOU TALKING TO PRATT???
Jack said:Talking to yourself again?
Jack
J
John Kelly
Hello Pratt,
WHO ARE YOU TALKING TO PRATT???
WHO ARE YOU TALKING TO PRATT???
Jack said:And how many books have you written? Can you even read for comprehension?
Have you considered putting yourself in your kill file? Or do you like
seeing your name in print. Is that what your book will be about? How about
"My Ranting and Ravings" by John Kelly.
Jack
J
John Kelly
Hello Pratt,
WHO ARE YOU TALKING TO PRATT???
WHO ARE YOU TALKING TO PRATT???
Jack said:Glendale? Glendale California? Sorry Johnny, I will give you a clue, try
the US state of Ohio
Jake
J
John Kelly
Hello Pratt,
WHO ARE YOU TALKING TO PRATT???
WHO ARE YOU TALKING TO PRATT???
Jack said:It really bothers you about "52 newsgroups". You a little jealous?
Jake
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