Microsoft to force Windows updates?

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[Torgeir Bakken (MVP)]

No that's a load because I block port 135 and I can get my network drives
mapped just fine and I logon just as well Port 135 is for RPC ports 137 138
and 139 are used for networking better get it right before you try tell me
such BS. I've been setting up networks since MS-DOS days in the Navy and
now it I do it real world and I have never used port 135.

Hi

Our experience when blocking port 135 on some routers/switches was that AD
logons wasn't working as they should (and as far as I know it was only port 135
that was blocked).

 

[Gordon Burditt]

A properly firewalled computer in combination with a good ant-virus and a

Absolutely correct and the real issue of the blaster worm was simply that.
Port 135 (RPC) certainly isn't needed nor desired for use in a corporate
environment anyway so why did so many IT managers leave it open? The bulk of
home users who got hit by it were newbies or simply unaware of how their

Has Microsoft ever considered leaving a port closed by default?
I'd be interested in why port 135 is needed for a *HOME* environment.
For that matter, why leave servers on ANY port for a home system
by default? Unless they turn it on, they don't need: Messenger,
file shares, IIS, credit card number server for the RIAA spybot,
etc.

Gordon L. Burditt

 

[Bob Ward]

Maybe it's time to dump this crap and get a Mac. It may also be time
to treat the terrorists like terrorists before they take out a nuke
plant and execute them.


Every one of these bug, worms goes after M$. My next machine WILL be a
Mac! Fact.

That's how you deal with terrorists? Stick your fingers in your ears,
close your eyes, and chant "I can't see you! I can't hear you! You
must not exist!"

 

[kurttrail]

That's how you deal with terrorists? Stick your fingers in your ears,
close your eyes, and chant "I can't see you! I can't hear you! You
must not exist!"

"Terrorists?" Will we be sending the SoBig virus writers to Guantanamo
to await their day in a Military tribunal?

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[Jim Macklin]

Let's hope so.

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[The Green Troll]

Excerpts from Ed Foster's Gripelog -

force users to accept automatic
Windows updates.

How can they do that? Make the operating system malfunction unless the
update is regularly installed? After all, some computers are off the
Internet.

only talking about
forcing home users and small businesses to get automatic updates.

Punish businesses because they are small? Isn't that restraint of
trade?

The dangers in not having enough security are all too real,

Isn't that what insurance is for?

-- Buster <http:/www.rev.net/~aloe/freedom>

 

[The Green Troll]

Personally, I prefer John Dvorak's solution: require all computer
owners to get a license.

You can own a car or plane without a license, even if you are blind.
You only need a license to drive on the road.

-- Buster <http://www.rev.net/~aloe/transportation>

 

[Richardson]

helmsman;
A Mac??? I agree with the terrorist part. A Mac??
Wes
A Mac???

Smart folks who like to compute but hate wasting any time killing viruses
and worms are already using Mac OSX. I use Windows 2000 at the office and
love it, but can't beat the Mac for worry-free productivity...and that's the
simple truth!

 

[Richardson]

What the heck is that going to solve? It's not the machine, it's the OS.
Why dump the hardware when there's nothing wrong with it? You can always
switch to linux if you feel that strongly about this issue. -Dave

If you want to achieve worry-free computing, and avoid wasting any of your
time fighting worms, then the Mac is perhaps the best solution out there for
many people...OSX is extremely stable and impervious to crappola like
blaster worms and assorted virus infestations. It comes down to what you
think is the value of your time. My time is too valuable to waste being a
beta tester for Bill Gates (except where my employer pays me to run Win 2k).

 

[Alex J]

Strange how my Mac OS X system has no protection of any kind and it has
never been touched by any unauthorized intrudors, worms, or viruses and I
use it every day.

Not so strange.... Why would anyone bother attacking a few systems... Many
more Windows users.

If Mac/Apple were more popular, it too would be a target.

 

[stan]

How can they do that? Make the operating system malfunction unless the
update is regularly installed? After all, some computers are off the
Internet.

They simply add in a module to the OS that does not prompt whenever a new
update or patch is available; it simply queries Microcrap's update server
and applies anything new. Than again, we are talking about Microcrap here
so if it works as well as the rest of their OS does, I wouldn't worry
about it if I were you.

 

[Testy]

Hey my Commodore 64 is completely secure too!

Testy

 

[Shaun Marolf]

(e-mail address removed) (Gordon Burditt) wrote in

Has Microsoft ever considered leaving a port closed by default?
I'd be interested in why port 135 is needed for a *HOME* environment.
For that matter, why leave servers on ANY port for a home system
by default? Unless they turn it on, they don't need: Messenger,
file shares, IIS, credit card number server for the RIAA spybot,
etc.

Gordon L. Burditt

Well I can tell you why MS left port 135 open on XP systems. It was the
"Remote Tech Assitant" feature that would allow MS to go in and fix windows
problems for you. First off not only a bad idea but most certainly something
that was going to get taken advantage of eventually and sure enough...

--Shaun

 

[Shaun Marolf]

If you want to achieve worry-free computing, and avoid wasting any of
your time fighting worms, then the Mac is perhaps the best solution out
there for many people...OSX is extremely stable and impervious to
crappola like blaster worms and assorted virus infestations. It comes
down to what you think is the value of your time. My time is too
valuable to waste being a beta tester for Bill Gates (except where my
employer pays me to run Win 2k).

Linux is good too. Recently got a user friendly rating though still a long
way from the ease of a Mac. Just as secure if not more so.

--Shaun

 

[plated metal]

go to any software store, look how much is available for PC type
machines and then compare that to what is available for Apples, there
is no comparison.
Then if you get into serious applications there is no contest, most of
the programs on the market is written for pc based machines.

If you only do word processing, spread sheets, play game, do email or
go onto the web an apple could be all you need but if you need to do
serious work on a machine the PC based machines are the ONLY way to
go.

Not in the publishing industry. Everyone I know in "hard-copy"
publishing (books, magazines, newspapers) uses Macs for layout etc.
That's serious work. Also, curiously enough, in the biological sciences
there's a lot of serious mac apps out there for lab use. That's most
definitely not the case in the electronics biz that I work in.

-p

 

[Thomas M. Goethe]

Bob Ward wrote:

"Terrorists?" Will we be sending the SoBig virus writers to Guantanamo
to await their day in a Military tribunal?

Excellent idea and it works for me.

 

[Thomas M. Goethe]

LOL! Nothing like a bunch of geeks trying to act like tough guys, from
the relative safety of their homes!

We have hard men with guns who work for us.

 

[Thomas M. Goethe]

On 8/22/03 1:42 PM, in article

Smart folks who like to compute but hate wasting any time killing viruses
and worms are already using Mac OSX. I use Windows 2000 at the office and
love it, but can't beat the Mac for worry-free productivity...and that's the
simple truth!

And one of these days the jerks who do this stuff are going to realize
how many wide open Macs are out there to exploit. I use both platforms and
virtually all Mac users thinks that their machines (whatever OS) have no
vulnerabilites and therefore don't bother to use firewalls or anti-virus
software. A few have learned the hard way that there are some Mac viruses.
More than one has lost the contents of their hard drive.

 

[kurttrail]

We have hard men with guns who work for us.

.. . . . and sometimes die. GWB has got them boys busy at the moment, so
maybe we should leave the civil authorities to hunt down and persecute .
.. . . er, I mean, prosecute these snot-nosed scubag virus writers.

Since when did it become fashionable to break our established laws, in
order to properly punish mere criminals, and making it palatable by
foisting upon them the label of "terrorists?" One day it just may be
you that is wrongly labeled a "terrorist."

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