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Ben Cooper
Susan Bugher said:I worked feverishly all day. . .
I rushed to the Post Office just before they closed. . .
Some CDs are on their way.
Well, it better be here soon, or else...
YOU'RE FIRED!T
Thanks, Susan.
Well, it better be here soon, or else...
YOU'RE FIRED!T
Thanks, Susan.
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Tim R.
I belive that Achim is just east of me in the Kootenays, so there
should be no problem with distribution in the west.
As an aside, I believe that my town scooped the title of Wine Capital
of Canada from someplace over there in the Niagra region who were also
going for that designation. We were a little quicker on the draw,
being westerners and all
K
Keenan P.
Ya, ya - East is least and West is best. Heard it a million times!I belive that Achim is just east of me in the Kootenays, so there
should be no problem with distribution in the west.
As an aside, I believe that my town scooped the title of Wine Capital
of Canada from someplace over there in the Niagra region who were also
going for that designation. We were a little quicker on the draw,
being westerners and all
POKO
--
P. Keenan - Webmaster
Web Page Design
Manitoulin Island, Canada
http://manitoulinislandwebdesign.it-mate.co.uk/
(e-mail address removed)
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Roger Johansson
Susan said:
What about the people who use the PL web pages and have no usenet
access?
I understand the thought behind your method, but the freedom of the
distributor to respond or not can be preserved with my method too, if we
make it clear that these distributors are volunteers who may or may not
respond. The customer must get into contact with a distributor, and work
out the details via email. He cannot just place an order like to a
commercial company. First he must check if the distributor is available
and willing to help him.
If some distributor is not available or does not want to burn a cd he
will simply not respond to email requests.
The advantages with my suggestion:
There will be no fuss about how to split up territories.
More distributors can volunteer, because a certain territory will not be
"occupied" already.
There will be no waste of bandwith in acf by requests, responses,
discussions which should have been done via email instead.
I suggest a text like this to be published in acf once a week, or so,
and on the PL web site:
....
For people who have a slow connection to internet and have problems
downloading these freeware programs we have a number of volunteers who
may be willing to burn a CD for you and send it to you.
You can try to contact one of these people via email and ask if they can
help you:
munged address list
Please remember, some of us may be out of town or otherwise unavailable,
so do not just place an order like we were a commercial company, but get
into contact with one of us first, talk about it via email, and if you
are lucky you will find a person who can help you.
....
Disadvantages with this method:
A list of possible volunteers must be updated regularly at the PL web
site and published regularly in acf.
Some stupid people will still place an order like in a commercial
company, not get a reply and place an order with another volunteer, get
replies from both that a CD is on the way, etc..
These problems can easily be minimized with some care to design the
procedure.
Disadvantages with the Susan method:
A lot of messages about this in acf.
Less volunteers will show up because a certain territory is already
occupied. Arguments between volunteers who has the distribution in a
certain area. The customer must have access to usenet.
Maybe a combination of both methods?
If the customer does not find a suitable volunteer in the list he can
ask for help in acf.
Advantages with the Susan method:
New volunteers will show up as the need arises.
For example somebody in Chile wants a PL CD, he asks in acf, somebody in
Peru know that postal service to Chile from Peru is fairly cheap and
fast so he takes care of the person who asked, if nobody from Chile
shows up.
There is no need to split up territories, the first volunteer who
responds takes care of the customer.
The messages about this will be a source of positive feelings in acf.
Okay, I vote for the Susan method
I just wanted to shed some light on the pros and cons of each method.
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Teranews
Roger Johansson said:What about the people who use the PL web pages and have no usenet
access?
I understand the thought behind your method, but the freedom of the
distributor to respond or not can be preserved with my method too, if we
make it clear that these distributors are volunteers who may or may not
respond. The customer must get into contact with a distributor, and work
out the details via email. He cannot just place an order like to a
commercial company. First he must check if the distributor is available
and willing to help him.
If some distributor is not available or does not want to burn a cd he
will simply not respond to email requests.
The advantages with my suggestion:
There will be no fuss about how to split up territories.
More distributors can volunteer, because a certain territory will not be
"occupied" already.
There will be no waste of bandwith in acf by requests, responses,
discussions which should have been done via email instead.
I suggest a text like this to be published in acf once a week, or so,
and on the PL web site:
...
For people who have a slow connection to internet and have problems
downloading these freeware programs we have a number of volunteers who
may be willing to burn a CD for you and send it to you.
You can try to contact one of these people via email and ask if they can
help you:
munged address list
Please remember, some of us may be out of town or otherwise unavailable,
so do not just place an order like we were a commercial company, but get
into contact with one of us first, talk about it via email, and if you
are lucky you will find a person who can help you.
...
Disadvantages with this method:
A list of possible volunteers must be updated regularly at the PL web
site and published regularly in acf.
Some stupid people will still place an order like in a commercial
company, not get a reply and place an order with another volunteer, get
replies from both that a CD is on the way, etc..
These problems can easily be minimized with some care to design the
procedure.
Disadvantages with the Susan method:
A lot of messages about this in acf.
Less volunteers will show up because a certain territory is already
occupied. Arguments between volunteers who has the distribution in a
certain area. The customer must have access to usenet.
Maybe a combination of both methods?
If the customer does not find a suitable volunteer in the list he can
ask for help in acf.
Advantages with the Susan method:
New volunteers will show up as the need arises.
For example somebody in Chile wants a PL CD, he asks in acf, somebody in
Peru know that postal service to Chile from Peru is fairly cheap and
fast so he takes care of the person who asked, if nobody from Chile
shows up.
There is no need to split up territories, the first volunteer who
responds takes care of the customer.
The messages about this will be a source of positive feelings in acf.
Okay, I vote for the Susan method
I just wanted to shed some light on the pros and cons of each method.
I suggest dividing the territories by Country / State. This way, anybody who
wants the CD can contact the volunteer directly.
When there are new volunteers, simply add the country/state.
I can take Thailand/All states
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Roger Johansson
Teranews said:
If somebody from Thailand asks for help you can respond.
Isn't that a good system?
That system assumes that the volunteers are reading acf regularly.
Is there a need for a list of volunteers who are not reading acf
regularly and/or who can be contacted without going through the
newsgroup?
Maybe..
By the way, I think it would be good if the iso of the CD is made
available as soon as possible.
That makes it easy to download and distribute it for anybody.
It also makes it possible to check that the all copies are identical.
We can always compare with the published iso file.
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Teranews
Roger Johansson said:
Well, I could always post an email address or any request can be sent to
pricelessware web site or putting direct links on the website
for example
Request for Pricelessware 2004 CD
List of countries /states that are available
Request sent directly to volunteers via links
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Susan Bugher
burnr said:4ax.com:
Ohh. Well that's different. Back to the salt mines for her then. They
won't tend themselves you know!
Slave drivers - that's what the you guys are.
How about Christmas, may I have Christmas off?
Susan
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Roger Johansson
Susan said:
Well, what would you look like in a diminuitive santa dress and high
leather boots?
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Susan Bugher
We're working on it! *Someone* with big pipes has to *receive* the CD
before it can be uploaded. REMbranded will either upload the file
directly or have someone else upload it for him (there is a volunteer
for the second alternative).
The checksum file and the program to check it with are on the CD.
I have mailed the first group of CDs. If anyone else wants to help
distribute - email me (remove whoi) or the Pricelessware links button
with your address. I'll be happy to send out a second batch of CDs to
help speed up the distribution.
CDs went to:
Achim (BC, Canada)
tim (western Canada)
POKO (Ontario, Canada)
It's me (Canada) (download volunteer)
bambam (New Zealand)
Nicolaas Hawkins (New Zealand)
Teranews (Thailand)
Ben Cooper (US) (download volunteer)
Mark S. (US) (download volunteer)
Omar (US)
REMbranded (US)
It would be nice to have distributors in many countries. That said,
mailing a CD is *not* very expensive. I'm in the US - I sent the CDs
first class in the US - air letter-post to non-US destinations.
Costs to mail the CD in a padded envelope:
US to US - 0.60
US to Canada - 0.85
US to New Zealand - 1.70
US to Thailand - 1.55
If any or all burners want to have their (munged) email addresses posted
on the CD web page I can do that - with or without geographic info.
I do *not* want CD requests sent to the Pricelessware links button -
that's *me* - and I am *NOT* volunteering for that job.
If someone else wants to volunteer as coordinator I can add that
volunteer's email link to the CD web page.
Our *first* priority is filling requests for CDs from newsgroup
participants. Let's focus on the getting that process underway as
quickly as possible.
The CD web page is not shown on the PL INFO page - and it won't be for a
while - the URL is in my signature block.
Susan
before it can be uploaded. REMbranded will either upload the file
directly or have someone else upload it for him (there is a volunteer
for the second alternative).
The checksum file and the program to check it with are on the CD.
I have mailed the first group of CDs. If anyone else wants to help
distribute - email me (remove whoi) or the Pricelessware links button
with your address. I'll be happy to send out a second batch of CDs to
help speed up the distribution.
CDs went to:
Achim (BC, Canada)
tim (western Canada)
POKO (Ontario, Canada)
It's me (Canada) (download volunteer)
bambam (New Zealand)
Nicolaas Hawkins (New Zealand)
Teranews (Thailand)
Ben Cooper (US) (download volunteer)
Mark S. (US) (download volunteer)
Omar (US)
REMbranded (US)
It would be nice to have distributors in many countries. That said,
mailing a CD is *not* very expensive. I'm in the US - I sent the CDs
first class in the US - air letter-post to non-US destinations.
Costs to mail the CD in a padded envelope:
US to US - 0.60
US to Canada - 0.85
US to New Zealand - 1.70
US to Thailand - 1.55
If any or all burners want to have their (munged) email addresses posted
on the CD web page I can do that - with or without geographic info.
I do *not* want CD requests sent to the Pricelessware links button -
that's *me* - and I am *NOT* volunteering for that job.
If someone else wants to volunteer as coordinator I can add that
volunteer's email link to the CD web page.
Our *first* priority is filling requests for CDs from newsgroup
participants. Let's focus on the getting that process underway as
quickly as possible.
The CD web page is not shown on the PL INFO page - and it won't be for a
while - the URL is in my signature block.
Susan
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Susan Bugher
Roger said:
I'd look awful (thank goodness).
Susan
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Nicolaas Hawkins
Slave drivers - that's what the you guys are.
How about Christmas, may I have Christmas off?
I hope you don't have to wait until Christmas to have it off, Susan!
)--
Nicolaas.
- Cheap bagpipe: Place cat under arm - pull legs, chew tail.
N
Nicolaas Hawkins
I'll be in that.
--
Nicolaas.
- You are validating my inherent mistrust of strangers
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Josiah Jenkins
Have you anyone on the Right-hand side of the Pond ?
ie. The UK.
I'm asking as I'm in Scotland and am prepared to burn a
few CDs if it helps the worthy cause.
Feel as if I owe all you folks something for the weeks spent
lurking in here and picking up all that help and free software.
-- Ian Stewart
-- (e-mail address removed)
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=?iso-8859-1?Q?Omar=A9?=
Teranews said:
Why? Unless it is out of USA it does not matter, the postage is the same.
So why quibble about territories?
Place your request and some body will answer.
just my 2C
Omar
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Susan said:Slave drivers - that's what the you guys are.
How about Christmas, may I have Christmas off?
Susan
--
Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org
alt.comp.freeware FAQ: http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/proposal-CD.htm
http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/programs/P_CategoryIndex.php
Only if you go to Bronners.
Omar
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Susan Bugher
Nicolaas said:I hope you don't have to wait until Christmas to have it off, Susan!
No comment.
Susan
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Susan Bugher
Josiah said:
Super! Email me (remove whoi) or the Pricelessware link button with your
snail mail address and I'll send you a CD.
Susan
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Susan Bugher
Omar© said:Only if you go to Bronners.
Yum. That sounds like a plan to me!
Susan
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Susan Bugher
Nicolaas said:
Okay.
http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/CD2004PL.htm
Scroll down to the bottom - What should I add after your name?
Susan