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kurttrail

Jone said:
And of course if he had you would be complaining he overstepped his
power, after all she only asked for 24 hours. *sniff sniff*

As far as I'm concerned he should have done it about 72 hours previous
to Friday.

A real leader would have damned the red tape, and gotten his troops
moving, but the Vacationer-In-Chief ain't a real leader, he just plays
one on TV!

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Leythos

What part of Bush could have taken control of the National Guard on his
own authority did you not understand?

With all that you seem to be missing, I'm sure we would be hearing from
you about how Bush stepped on the Govenor if he had - it was Her call to
play politics, it was her call to hang herself in the name of politics.

If he had taken control away without giving her a chance people would be
slamming him for that....

So, it's still a fact, only small areas were impacted as much as N/O.

It's also a fact that there is a clearly documented plan designed by N/O
for such a natural disaster, which was clearly not followed through on
(yes, parts were followed, but important parts were not implemented).

It's a fact that the governor turned down Federal Help and delayed for
what appears to be 24 hours.

It's a fact that the state didn't stage supplies and resources in safe
areas to respond to a situation which has been an issue for more than
100 years...
 
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kurttrail

MoserRJ said:
Today, Fox is reporting, (I realize that Kurt wants a link and
wouldn't believe Fox anyhow) that the Red Cross was in the area of
the Convention Center and the Dome with food and water but the
Louisana Emergency Group (don't know exact name) would not let them
deliver it. They wanted the people out of the City and said if they
were fed and watered they would not leave.
On one hand NO was crying for food and water and on the other hand
hand another NO group refused the Red Cross entry to both places.
And Bush is to blame????????

http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html

"The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to
request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans
following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating
and encourage others to come into the city."

This would seem to suggest that this was requested before the hurricane
and the flood hit.

"The original plan was to evacuate all the residents of New Orleans to
safe places outside the city. With the hurricane bearing down, the city
government decided to open a shelter of last resort in the Superdome
downtown. We *applaud* this decision and believe it saved a significant
number of lives."

"As the remaining people are evacuated from New Orleans, the most
appropriate role for the Red Cross is to provide a safe place for people
to stay and to see that their emergency needs are met. We are fully
staffed and equipped to handle these individuals once they are
evacuated."

No where in the Red Cross FAQ does it say or even come close to
suggesting that trucks of food and water "was in the area of the
Convention Center and the Dome" at any time before or after the
hurricane and flood.

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kurttrail

Leythos said:
With all that you seem to be missing, I'm sure we would be hearing
from you about how Bush stepped on the Govenor if he had - it was Her
call to play politics, it was her call to hang herself in the name of
politics.

If he had taken control away without giving her a chance people would
be slamming him for that....

So, it's still a fact, only small areas were impacted as much as N/O.

Say what? I'll in a link from a really credible news source that backs
up YOUR "Fact," please!
It's also a fact that there is a clearly documented plan designed by
N/O for such a natural disaster, which was clearly not followed
through on (yes, parts were followed, but important parts were not
implemented).


It's a fact that the governor turned down Federal Help and delayed for
what appears to be 24 hours.

By that time it really was unnecessary as the troops had finally started
coming into the city. Bush should have taken control under his own
authority 72 hours earlier. By Friday night he was 72 hours too late.
It's a fact that the state didn't stage supplies and resources in safe
areas to respond to a situation which has been an issue for more than
100 years...

Really? If it is a fact, then show us a link to a credible news source
that backs up your alleged "FACT!"

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Alias

kurttrail said:
http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html

"The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to
request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans
following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating
and encourage others to come into the city."

This would seem to suggest that this was requested before the hurricane
and the flood hit.

"The original plan was to evacuate all the residents of New Orleans to
safe places outside the city. With the hurricane bearing down, the city
government decided to open a shelter of last resort in the Superdome
downtown. We *applaud* this decision and believe it saved a significant
number of lives."

"As the remaining people are evacuated from New Orleans, the most
appropriate role for the Red Cross is to provide a safe place for people
to stay and to see that their emergency needs are met. We are fully
staffed and equipped to handle these individuals once they are evacuated."

No where in the Red Cross FAQ does it say or even come close to suggesting
that trucks of food and water "was in the area of the Convention Center
and the Dome" at any time before or after the hurricane and flood.

"Those politicians that say they don't want to play the 'blame game' are
usually ... to blame".

http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_daily_show/videos/headlines/index.jhtml
and watch Meet the F**kers.

Alias
 
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kurttrail

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Leythos

Really? If it is a fact, then show us a link to a credible news source
that backs up your alleged "FACT!"

Show me a reputable link stating that it isn't true.

And since none of the links that anyone has posted for you are
considered credible in your mind - please provide us with a set of
trusted new sources that you find "reputable"
 
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Peter A. Stavrakoglou

kurttrail said:
NewsMax is hardly credible. Give me the link to the Post article NewsMax
claims it is quoting.

Admit it, any source you disagree with is you deem as not credible. This is
just sport for you, being so disagreeable. You've stopped to the level of a
troll, if you weren't one already.
 
P

Plato

MoserRJ said:
I might also add that all the experts have stated that the First
Response is the responsibility of the Local & State Govts and the Feds come
after WHEN REQUESTED!

While I do not like Bush personally, nor his staff, nor how he operates
the office of the president, that is inmaterial. The established
protocol is, and has been, exactly as you said.
 
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kurttrail

Leythos said:
Show me a reputable link stating that it isn't true.

LOL! If you can't or won't show any credible documentation for what you
CLAIM are "FACTS," then I'll accept that as evidence that you "FACTS" is
nothing but bold-faced lies.
And since none of the links that anyone has posted for you are
considered credible in your mind - please provide us with a set of
trusted new sources that you find "reputable"

Simple litmus test. Any news agency that didn't report the stinkboat
lies as facts.

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Leythos

Simple litmus test. Any news agency that didn't report the stinkboat
lies as facts.

Diversionary methods don't cut it on this simple question: What on-line
media sources do you trust to properly report the facts? Name two or
three as I know you don't limit your information to just one source.
 
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kurttrail

Peter said:
Admit it, any source you disagree with is you deem as not credible.
This is just sport for you, being so disagreeable. You've stopped to
the level of a troll, if you weren't one already.

LOL! I can't help it that most of the links the Bush Apologists present
are from highly suspect sources.

I'd trust the National Enquirer before I'd trust NewsMax. Or
WorldNutDaily. Or the Moonie Times.

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-rwxrw-r--

And of course if he had you would be complaining he overstepped his power,
after all she only asked for 24 hours. *sniff sniff*
Your post doesn't make any sense because it was top posted. Learn how to
post on UseNet please.
 
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Leythos

LOL! I can't help it that most of the links the Bush Apologists present
are from highly suspect sources.

I'd trust the National Enquirer before I'd trust NewsMax. Or
WorldNutDaily. Or the Moonie Times.

So that we may not waste our time with links that you don't trust,
please provide a list of a few that you do trust.
 
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kurttrail

Leythos said:
Diversionary methods don't cut it on this simple question: What
on-line media sources do you trust to properly report the facts? Name
two or three as I know you don't limit your information to just one
source.

I gave you my litmus test. And that should narrow it down for you what
sources not to present.

Here is a partial list of sources that aren't credible.

Any Blog (Liberal, conservative, or in between)
Anybody that has a radio talk show (Liberal, conservative, or in
between)
WorldNutBagDaily
SpewsMax
Moonie Times
The Weekly (and Daily) Standard
Drudge
And for the most part Fox.

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kurttrail

Leythos said:
So that we may not waste our time with links that you don't trust,
please provide a list of a few that you do trust.

LOL! I already told you my litmus test. But I gave posted a list of
news sources that aren't credible.

Quite frankly, I doubt I trust any news source 100% of the time. Like
how to spot pornography, that is how I figure out if a news article is
credible, I know it when I see it.

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kurttrail

Plato said:
While I do not like Bush personally, nor his staff, nor how he
operates the office of the president, that is inmaterial. The
established protocol is, and has been, exactly as you said.

So why didn't troops get into NO until Friday?

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Leythos

LOL! I already told you my litmus test. But I gave posted a list of
news sources that aren't credible.

If you can't post a list of any that you trust then you are just playing
a game. Your not being able to list one source you trust for news, after
you were so demanding of us to post links, seems to strongly indicate
you're just asking for links to BS.
 
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kurttrail

Leythos said:
If you can't post a list of any that you trust then you are just
playing a game. Your not being able to list one source you trust for
news, after you were so demanding of us to post links, seems to
strongly indicate you're just asking for links to BS.

"Quite frankly, I doubt I trust any news source 100% of the time. Like
how to spot pornography, that is how I figure out if a news article is
credible, I know it when I see it."

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