{Kelly & Family Threads}

[MoserRJ]

Why don't we all take a deep breath and close out these threads! As the
new head of the National Group said, there is enough blame to go around for
everyone. Lets go forward and look back when the crisis is under control.
Several here are 'beating a dead horse' and just repeating themselves.
There is no question that this has become political. The Dems and
Anti-Bushers will blame him. The Reps asked what did Clinton do during his 8
years. I blame the lack of an detailed evacuation plan and the lack of a
planned way to communicate with each other. The cops were on their own, no
911 service. My thought is that these were the State's responsibility.
Bush makes a budget BUT Congress approves the money.
Has anybody heard much from the 2 Senators. They certainly could have
screamed for money. Congress approved $235 Million to build a bridge in
Alaska to an island with 50 people on it.
As has been stated this has been going on for 30 years. It goes back to
Carter. So Carter must be to blame!
We all have our opinions and we aren't going to get the other fellow to
change their mind.
The President, Governor and Mayor all are supposed to have people under
them responsible for the events that occurred. Many of these positions are
filled by political appointees who had some pull and got a 'plum' job with
high pay and know nothing about leadership.
The Mayor and Bush have at least been out and around. I haven't seen or
heard anything from the Governor. ( BTW - someone told one arguer to 'ring
him up'. Well, him isn't a him, him is a her!)
If some of you want to continue this line take it to email.
The dummies who approved and built the levees for a Category 3 hurricane
had rocks in their head. Let's blame it all on them!
As the power invested in me by my wife- I HEREBY DECLARE THESE THREADS
CLOSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[-rwxrw-r--]

Why don't we all take a deep breath and close out these threads! As
the
new head of the National Group said, there is enough blame to go around
for everyone. Lets go forward and look back when the crisis is under
control.
Several here are 'beating a dead horse' and just repeating themselves.
There is no question that this has become political. The Dems and
Anti-Bushers will blame him. The Reps asked what did Clinton do during his
8 years. I blame the lack of an detailed evacuation plan and the lack of a
planned way to communicate with each other. The cops were on their own, no
911 service. My thought is that these were the State's responsibility.
Bush makes a budget BUT Congress approves the money.
Has anybody heard much from the 2 Senators. They certainly could have
screamed for money. Congress approved $235 Million to build a bridge in
Alaska to an island with 50 people on it.
As has been stated this has been going on for 30 years. It goes back
to
Carter. So Carter must be to blame!
We all have our opinions and we aren't going to get the other fellow
to
change their mind.
The President, Governor and Mayor all are supposed to have people
under
them responsible for the events that occurred. Many of these positions are
filled by political appointees who had some pull and got a 'plum' job with
high pay and know nothing about leadership.
The Mayor and Bush have at least been out and around. I haven't seen
or
heard anything from the Governor. ( BTW - someone told one arguer to 'ring
him up'. Well, him isn't a him, him is a her!)
If some of you want to continue this line take it to email.
The dummies who approved and built the levees for a Category 3
hurricane
had rocks in their head. Let's blame it all on them!
As the power invested in me by my wife- I HEREBY DECLARE THESE THREADS
CLOSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So do you think you're getting the last say?

Sorry, but you didn't.

 

[MoserRJ]

OK

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So do you think you're getting the last say?

Sorry, but you didn't.

 

[Guest]

Sorry but your statement is not right. They were given billons after 9-11 to
organize a response after a disaster, this means they had years to plan and
set-up. There should have been trained people, transportation and equipment
ready to move, locations planned for resettlement.
The "BUCK" does stop at the Presidents desk.
take care.
beamish.

 

[kurttrail]

Why don't we all take a deep breath and close out these threads!
As the new head of the National Group said, there is enough blame to
go around for everyone. Lets go forward and look back when the crisis
is under control. Several here are 'beating a dead horse' and just
repeating themselves. There is no question that this has become
political. The Dems and Anti-Bushers will blame him. The Reps asked
what did Clinton do during his 8 years. I blame the lack of an
detailed evacuation plan and the lack of a planned way to communicate
with each other. The cops were on their own, no 911 service. My
thought is that these were the State's responsibility. Bush makes
a budget BUT Congress approves the money. Has anybody heard much
from the 2 Senators. They certainly could have screamed for money.
Congress approved $235 Million to build a bridge in Alaska to an
island with 50 people on it. As has been stated this has been
going on for 30 years. It goes back to Carter. So Carter must be to
blame! We all have our opinions and we aren't going to get the
other fellow to change their mind.
The President, Governor and Mayor all are supposed to have people
under them responsible for the events that occurred. Many of these
positions are filled by political appointees who had some pull and
got a 'plum' job with high pay and know nothing about leadership.
The Mayor and Bush have at least been out and around. I haven't
seen or heard anything from the Governor. ( BTW - someone told one
arguer to 'ring him up'. Well, him isn't a him, him is a her!)
If some of you want to continue this line take it to email.
The dummies who approved and built the levees for a Category 3
hurricane had rocks in their head. Let's blame it all on them!
As the power invested in me by my wife- I HEREBY DECLARE THESE
THREADS CLOSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL! No one is to blame for the Hurricane. Levees break eventually.

What was criminal was the response of the Federal Government. The state
and local governments emergency responders were as much victims of the
Hurricane and the floods as the rest of the people.

And you declare whatever you want, but it doesn't mean anyone will
listen to you.

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[kurttrail]

OK

If you don't follow your own declaration, it is certain no one else
will.

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[kurttrail]

Sorry but your statement is not right. They were given billons after
9-11 to organize a response after a disaster, this means they had
years to plan and set-up. There should have been trained people,
transportation and equipment ready to move, locations planned for
resettlement.
The "BUCK" does stop at the Presidents desk.
take care.
beamish.

Didn't you know that Hurricane Katrina is part of the liberal conspiracy
against W? To the rightards, it's them godless commie liberals fault,
and they have the stained blue dress to prove it!

Katrina was trying to blow Clinton! ;-)

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[Jone Doe]

"What was criminal was the response of the Federal Government. The state
and local governments emergency responders were as much victims of the
Hurricane and the floods as the rest of the people."

Up to now I have stayed out of the thread, but now I feel compelled to make
a comment. There are people living in California that continue to build
houses on unstable ground overlooking the Pacific ocean. Every so often it
rains hard enough to cause floods and their houses fall down. Do you want
to pay for fixing them? That is what federal money is. YOU pay to have
something in another state fixed.

Life is a series of choices, and consequences. You make choices and pay
consequences. 3 days in advance the people were told the big one was
coming, and they should get what they need and leave. They didn't. Some
said "We don't have cars" so they sent big yellow school busses and said
"Get on." They didn't.

Finally it hit. And the people said "Why didn't they bring us food and
water and medicine?"

The answer is choice, and consequence. Is it a tragedy? It sure is, but
the answer is in people helping people, not people thinking government
should do it all. Private donations and aid is the answer, not government
interference.

I'm done.

Thanks.

 

[kurttrail]

"What was criminal was the response of the Federal Government. The
state and local governments emergency responders were as much victims
of the Hurricane and the floods as the rest of the people."

Up to now I have stayed out of the thread, but now I feel compelled
to make a comment. There are people living in California that
continue to build houses on unstable ground overlooking the Pacific
ocean. Every so often it rains hard enough to cause floods and their
houses fall down. Do you want to pay for fixing them? That is what
federal money is. YOU pay to have something in another state fixed.

Life is a series of choices, and consequences. You make choices and
pay consequences. 3 days in advance the people were told the big one
was coming, and they should get what they need and leave. They
didn't. Some said "We don't have cars" so they sent big yellow
school busses and said "Get on." They didn't.

Finally it hit. And the people said "Why didn't they bring us food
and water and medicine?"

The answer is choice, and consequence. Is it a tragedy? It sure is,
but the answer is in people helping people, not people thinking
government should do it all. Private donations and aid is the
answer, not government interference.

I'm done.

Thanks.

So you would have just left the mostly poor people of New Orleans to
fend for themselves?

Are you sure you not the reincarnation of Marie Antoinette?

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[David Candy]

Let them drink water.

 

[Jone Doe]

did you both miss the part about the big yellow school busses? How do you
force ppl to evacuate when they don't want to?

"David Candy" <.> wrote in message
Let them drink water.

 

[Winux P]

Responsibility defused... Makes one feel much better, thanks Jone.

- Winux P

| did you both miss the part about the big yellow school busses? How do you
| force ppl to evacuate when they don't want to?
|
| "David Candy" <.> wrote in message
| | Let them drink water.
|
| --
| --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| http://webdiary.smh.com.au/archives/_comment/001075.html
| =================================================
| | > Jone Doe wrote:
| >> "What was criminal was the response of the Federal Government. The
| >> state and local governments emergency responders were as much victims
| >> of the Hurricane and the floods as the rest of the people."
| >>
| >> Up to now I have stayed out of the thread, but now I feel compelled
| >> to make a comment. There are people living in California that
| >> continue to build houses on unstable ground overlooking the Pacific
| >> ocean. Every so often it rains hard enough to cause floods and their
| >> houses fall down. Do you want to pay for fixing them? That is what
| >> federal money is. YOU pay to have something in another state fixed.
| >>
| >> Life is a series of choices, and consequences. You make choices and
| >> pay consequences. 3 days in advance the people were told the big one
| >> was coming, and they should get what they need and leave. They
| >> didn't. Some said "We don't have cars" so they sent big yellow
| >> school busses and said "Get on." They didn't.
| >>
| >> Finally it hit. And the people said "Why didn't they bring us food
| >> and water and medicine?"
| >>
| >> The answer is choice, and consequence. Is it a tragedy? It sure is,
| >> but the answer is in people helping people, not people thinking
| >> government should do it all. Private donations and aid is the
| >> answer, not government interference.
| >>
| >> I'm done.
| >>
| >> Thanks.
| >
| > So you would have just left the mostly poor people of New Orleans to
| > fend for themselves?
| >
| > Are you sure you not the reincarnation of Marie Antoinette?
| >
| > --
| > Peace!
| > Kurt
| > Self-anointed Moderator
| > microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
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| >
| >
|
|

 

[David Candy]

Cuba manages it. China manages it. Even Japan manages it. Both China and Japan were hit by large different storms this week. China managed to evacute nearly all of 800,000 people and deaths were around 10.

Cuba evacutes people AND their possessions so people won't stay to safeguard their belongings.

Even Australia manages to evacute a city wiped out. A city 2000km from any other.

Here is the story of Darwin.
http://www.ntlib.nt.gov.au/tracy/basic/emergency.html

 

[David Candy]

Beyond the Territory, even before news of the disaster was broadcast, radio and television programs were interrupted with announcements recalling armed services personnel from leave. This led to widespread concern that a war had broken out, and the concern was not allayed for several hours.

 

[David Candy]

The three branches of the defence forces played major role in the relief operations. The defence contribution was effectively deployed through liaison with the local committees.

Early on 26 December naval aircraft left southern bases for Darwin, with urgent supplies and personnel. Seven naval ships left Sydney at 11.30 AM on 26 December. The Navy was to play a special part in the clean-up of Darwin - difficult, distasteful and sometimes dangerous work.

The Army flew specialist personnel into Darwin. Through them, rations, stores, equipment, and specialist vehicles were supplied.

The entire RAAF transport fleet was involved in the airlift of supplies into Darwin, and the airlift out of 9,678 people who were evacuated by military aircraft.

 

[David Candy]

PS Tracy doesn't have a rating as it destroyed the weather station. As a result cyclones are now named after boys and girls rather than just the sisterhood.

 

[kurttrail]

did you both miss the part about the big yellow school busses? How
do you force ppl to evacuate when they don't want to?

Do you have a link that supports your claim?

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[Alias]

"kurttrail" wrote

Do you have a link that supports your claim?

www.yahoo.com

Look at the first news story regarding New Orleans. Many people are refusing
to leave, some to protect their home, others want to keep looting.

Alias

 

[Leythos]

"kurttrail" wrote


www.yahoo.com

Look at the first news story regarding New Orleans. Many people are refusing
to leave, some to protect their home, others want to keep looting.

That's been all over Fox and CNN for a couple days. There are people
that would rather stay than leave to some unknown place where they have
nothing. We see the same thing in every major storm, sometimes it pays
to stay, others it just doesn't.

They had a woman on CNN last night that was saying how she (they) had
been bring people to to dome to be taken out all week and now that it's
her turn they won't transport her dog, so she's not going to leave.

There are also die hard types that have generators and provisions and
are above water that will stay as long as there is a dry place for them
- I think the one chap was saying that as long as he can get water to
flush with he's going to stay

 

[kurttrail]

"kurttrail" wrote


www.yahoo.com

Look at the first news story regarding New Orleans. Many people are
refusing to leave, some to protect their home, others want to keep
looting.
Alias

Yeah, I know about now. Especially those that don't want to leave their
pets to starve to death, but Jane seemed to suggest that yellow buses
were sent in to evacuate those that could afford to BEFORE the storm
hit.

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