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Michel Doucet
Le Sat, 30 Dec 2006 23:44:59 -0500, Mike a caressé son clavier pour nous
dire :
200-300 threads/day are not only congratulations to MS is not it ?
dire :
200-300 threads/day are not only congratulations to MS is not it ?
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BillW50
arachnid said:
It will not! None of my hardware is even on the list at:
http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html
So what are you trying to pull? You state more lies than a used car
saleman! I have to completely buy all new hardware including another TV
tuner card and at least 2 weeks of fiddling to get this to even work!
What kind of brain dead idea is that?
Yet I can skip all of this BS, use my USB KWorld TV Tuner card
(KW-TVUSB506RF-PRO) on virtually any kind of hardware, as long as it is
running Windows and just install the CD. No fuss, no mess, no nonsense.
No! It is just the opposite! Windows allows me to use 99.9% of all of
the options avvailble to me. Using Linux would limit me greatly to the
hardware and software to a small niche. I don't have time to play games!
I did that nonsense when I was young for the challenge. Been there and
done that. So I'm through with that nonsense!
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Dale
Now, I agree with you this time.
It isn't that Linux can't work for those who want to work at having fun with
their PCs but, for me and 3 billion other users, Windows just gives us so
many more choices and is so much easier to use and keep running that we
stick with Windows.
Dale
It isn't that Linux can't work for those who want to work at having fun with
their PCs but, for me and 3 billion other users, Windows just gives us so
many more choices and is so much easier to use and keep running that we
stick with Windows.
Dale
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Michel Doucet
Le Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:12:48 -0600, Dale a caressé son clavier pour nous
dire :
You and 3 billions of people who pays a lot for softs which are not running
longer with a simple upgrade of the webbrowser !
dire :
You and 3 billions of people who pays a lot for softs which are not running
longer with a simple upgrade of the webbrowser !
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Gordon
Dale said:
What a LOAD of rubbish! There are MANY MANY more FREE applications for Linux
than you have EVER had with Windows! I can think of at least four different
Office suites for a start, all free!
So you think that updating AV software and scanning the HDD on a regular
basis, the same with anti-malware apps (two at least if you're wise),
defragging the HDD every so often is EASIER than not doing any of those at
all?
Jeeeze, and people wonder why there are millions of zombie, spam-spewing
WINDOWS machines around!
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Dale
Those are maintenance tasks that, once configured, you don't have to worry
about much.
What is easier is installing software, finding software, selecting hardware
accessories, etcetera. I don't have to think about whether or not the
hardware I order will work with Windows and I barely have to think about the
software- a quick glance on a box to see if my version is listed.
There have been, and will be more, Linux viruses. And spyware is spyware.
Most free software is spyware. The prettier and more sophisticated the free
software is, the more likely it is spyware or adware. That applies to
whether or not that software is for Windows or Linux. The difference is, I
can easily find easily-to-install and easy-to-update anti-virus and
anti-spyware software for Windows.
Windows works for every one. And I am a techie. I am a MCSE, MCDBA, MCAD
and make my living developing web applications in C#. I certainly have the
intellect and ability to learn to use Linux. In the past, I was an AIX
(IBM's Unix) administrator. Even at home, I use Windows because it is
easier for me. I don't have to think about it.
Linux on the desktop is mostly for hobbyists and techies - and the French
Parliament. If you like thinking about it and like getting into the nuts
and bolts, Linux is a good choice. Even MacOS hides the Unix - as it
should - for most Mac users. Unix is not an OS for the masses. That
doesn't make it bad and it doesn't make Unix users bad. But Microsoft's
market share just shows you that most users don't want to know that much
about what goes on in their PC.
Dale
about much.
What is easier is installing software, finding software, selecting hardware
accessories, etcetera. I don't have to think about whether or not the
hardware I order will work with Windows and I barely have to think about the
software- a quick glance on a box to see if my version is listed.
There have been, and will be more, Linux viruses. And spyware is spyware.
Most free software is spyware. The prettier and more sophisticated the free
software is, the more likely it is spyware or adware. That applies to
whether or not that software is for Windows or Linux. The difference is, I
can easily find easily-to-install and easy-to-update anti-virus and
anti-spyware software for Windows.
Windows works for every one. And I am a techie. I am a MCSE, MCDBA, MCAD
and make my living developing web applications in C#. I certainly have the
intellect and ability to learn to use Linux. In the past, I was an AIX
(IBM's Unix) administrator. Even at home, I use Windows because it is
easier for me. I don't have to think about it.
Linux on the desktop is mostly for hobbyists and techies - and the French
Parliament. If you like thinking about it and like getting into the nuts
and bolts, Linux is a good choice. Even MacOS hides the Unix - as it
should - for most Mac users. Unix is not an OS for the masses. That
doesn't make it bad and it doesn't make Unix users bad. But Microsoft's
market share just shows you that most users don't want to know that much
about what goes on in their PC.
Dale
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arachnid
Ah, they're just tweaking noses. Don't take them too seriously.
Yeah, but Linux lacks many widely-appreciated Windows features like WPA,
WGA(N), and Vista's new, improved DRM.
As a matter of fact, I started using Linux because it's so much easier
than Windows. Sure, Windows is real easy when it's been all preinstalled
and preconfigured for you. It always starts that way, but then comes the
running and the screaming...
Windows - the preferred Operating System of spambots everywhere!
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BillW50
Gordon said:
What? I run AVG (free) and Ad-Watch (paid) and I never have to scan
anything. Both actively block viruses, spyware, registration changes,
etc. in real time. No scanning necessary whatsoever!
Defragging? You got to be kidding? I personally never found defragging
to help speed the system whatsoever! Only in the days of MFM drives did
it seem to speed things up. I know people would swear it speeds up their
system. But I have never seen any reason to do it on any of my systems.
I just do it once every 2 years for laughs. And I note the load times
before and after. And I'll see like a 1% speed improvement. Nothing
worth going after IMHO.
Yeah right! You believe being a Linux user and being locked out of at
least 90% of the market is far better and have to fight and search for
drivers that don't exist for the things you want to run is far better?
No highly educated person would ever agree with you there.
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arachnid
LOL! Almost had me, but that one gave it away.
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BillW50
arachnid said:LOL! Almost had me, but that one gave it away.
You got to know where to look. There are lots of great free software
that includes no spyware for Linux and Windows.
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norm
Dale said:
What could be easier than not having to configure such tasks at all? I
don't permit any maintenance to happen unattended. And it is not that I
do not have or use windows either. I currently have four xp, one vista
rc2 and one linux box on or available to my home network. I have had
very few issues in maintaining any of them.
With ubuntu, I can search software repositories for what I want, click a
button and the download and installation takes place without me having
to worry about whether it will work or not. It has not been any more
difficult to upgrade hardware and continue to have the machine work with
the upgraded hardware.
You would not have to look far to find anti-virus/anti-spyware apps for
linux. Many of the anti-virus manufacturers now have a linux version
available. The question still unanswered, at least for me, is whether or
not they are necessary now or will be necessary in the future. Opinions
found on the issue varies widely.
Windows does not necessarily work for everyone, and in some cases it may
work, but not work well. But the same can be said about linux. But what
is easier for you or me and the reasons why it is easier may not be at
all the same for the next person. There is much about linux that for my
purposes I do not have to think about. I don't presume to think it true
for the next person, though.
Are many windows home machines used for much more than hobbyist
purposes? Do not windows machines appeal to techies? Why should linux be
pigeonholed as appealing to only those two types of users. (And then
lumped in with the French parliament to boot?
) Unfortunately,regardless of market share, the statement that most windows users don't
want to know that much about what goes on in their pcs may be one of the
prime reasons that there are so many victims of malware. It might be
fair to state that many, as new users, were led to believe that pcs were
not much more than appliances that only needed to be turned on and used.
If only it had turned out that way.
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BillW50
norm said:
Not true! There are no Linux drivers available for my KWorld
KW-TVUSB506RF-PRO TV tuner. Nor for my VTech USB7200 Yahoo VoIP phone.
Plus for many of my proprietary hardware. Before you buy anything for
Linux, you first have to search on the Internet to see what kind of luck
people had with it first. Which isn't a bad idea to do for Windows
devices as well. But at least 99.9% of everything out there is Windows
compatible.
Viruses and spyware isn't a problem for most Windows users.
Windows does not necessarily work for everyone, and in some cases it
may work, but not work well. But the same can be said about linux.
But what is easier for you or me and the reasons why it is easier may
not be at all the same for the next person. There is much about linux
that for my purposes I do not have to think about. I don't presume to
think it true for the next person, though.
Are many windows home machines used for much more than hobbyist
purposes? Do not windows machines appeal to techies? Why should linux
be pigeonholed as appealing to only those two types of users. (And
then lumped in with the French parliament to boot?
regardless of market share, the statement that most windows users
don't want to know that much about what goes on in their pcs may be
one of the prime reasons that there are so many victims of malware.
It might be fair to state that many, as new users, were led to
believe that pcs were not much more than appliances that only needed
to be turned on and used. If only it had turned out that way.
I disagree! There are plenty of techie people using Windows. Many of
them are here answering questions for one. <grin>
Second of all, those victims are not really going to be better off with
Linux IMHO. They are going to learn very quickly that whatever they buy,
will most likely not be able to run under Linux anyway. And they will
forever curse the person(s) that talked them into it.
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arachnid
You got to know where to look. There are lots of great free software that
includes no spyware for Linux and Windows.
I've never seen or heard of *any* linux software containing spyware.
That's sure to change as market share increases, but it's not going to be
as big a problem as under Windows because the user-friendly distro's
download their applications from approved repositories.
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norm
BillW50 said:
I am not arguing that some hardware might not have linux drivers, but
who is responsible for providing such drivers?
Again, who should be responsible for providing those drivers?
Before you buy anything for
Could be, but again, why is this the case? A linux user's money is no
good for the purchase of said hardware if there were a driver available?
Huh? There is a whole passel of suppliers out there providing
preventatives and fixes for such things for windows users.
I stated: "Do not windows machines appeal to techies?" What are you
disagreeing with?
Maybe not, but the net as a whole might be better off without the
compromised machines that the oblivious are using.
They are going to learn very quickly that whatever they buy,
I would hazard a guess that that your supposition is not as valid as you
might want to think.
And they will
Maybe, maybe not.
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BillW50
arachnid said:
Same is true of Windows approved repositories. And your point being?
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BillW50
norm said:
The Linux community of course.
The Linux community of course.
Yes! So why bother with Linux? As if the Linux community doesn't want to
sell us hardware for Linux, then why even bother? As the Windows
community has no problems selling us hardware that we install the
software and plug in the hardware. So simple!
Really? Then why aren't many of us bothered with this? Most of those
that are, will download and install anything without even thinking about
it. Then they get into trouble. So what else is new?
Ok said:
Sounds more like becoming a second class citizen, doesn't it?
Hardly! Running Linux is like buying the generic version of foodstuff.
Some are okay, but nothing that great. For the better stuff, it cost
money. And not always by the end user. said:
If Linux was 90% of users and Windows users were 10% or less, I could
see Linux would be a big deal. But so far it isn't. And I don't see this
happening very soon. At least not in the next 5 years. And if I had to
bet, I'd say it won't happen for another 20 years either.
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Dale
Ok, I can't figure out who's the biggest Linux promoter here so I just
picked a post at random to reply to.
I keep hearing how easy Ubuntu is and how it is as easy to find software for
as Windows is. With the quality concerns over Vista and high definition
video/audio sources I would like to find an alternative to Vista for my
multimedia. But guess what? I just spent an hour and a half searching
for a suitable media player for Linux or Ubuntu. I can find all kinds of
text lists of available applications no high quality players.
What there is doesn't compare at all to Windows except that XMMS does the
same stupid thing that most Windows media players do: it tries to simulate
a little table top stereo with little fake 7-segment flourescent display -
trying to be anything other than a PC playing multimedia.
Like I said before, Linux is just too much work. If any of you Linux guys
know of a media player even comparable to WMP 11, as bad as that is, feel
free to show us why we should consider Linux to get around the DRM in Vista.
Dale
picked a post at random to reply to.
I keep hearing how easy Ubuntu is and how it is as easy to find software for
as Windows is. With the quality concerns over Vista and high definition
video/audio sources I would like to find an alternative to Vista for my
multimedia. But guess what? I just spent an hour and a half searching
for a suitable media player for Linux or Ubuntu. I can find all kinds of
text lists of available applications no high quality players.
What there is doesn't compare at all to Windows except that XMMS does the
same stupid thing that most Windows media players do: it tries to simulate
a little table top stereo with little fake 7-segment flourescent display -
trying to be anything other than a PC playing multimedia.
Like I said before, Linux is just too much work. If any of you Linux guys
know of a media player even comparable to WMP 11, as bad as that is, feel
free to show us why we should consider Linux to get around the DRM in Vista.
Dale
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Alias
Dale said:
Use this to get codecs, etc:
http://www.getautomatix.com/apt/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/automatix2_1.1-2.4-6.06dapper_i386.deb
Try using Amarok after getting the codecs, etc.
Alias
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Dale
Two problems.
First off, why do I have to know what a CODEC is or where to get one? I
have never installed a CODEC on a Windows PC. Even to play DVD's, I never
installed a CODEC. I installed a DVD player application that happened to
include the required CODEC but I never had to think about it.
Second, the screenshots for Amarok show a tiny little player window on a big
monitor. Amarok shows the same amateurish user interface as MusicMatch and
other Windows players that try to simulate a desktop stereo system rather
than a computer. The screenshots are from a monitor probably between 17 to
19 inches and yet Amarok has scrolling titles because the player is only a
couple inches wide.
I'd rather use WMP 11 than that. And I hate WMP 11.
Dale
First off, why do I have to know what a CODEC is or where to get one? I
have never installed a CODEC on a Windows PC. Even to play DVD's, I never
installed a CODEC. I installed a DVD player application that happened to
include the required CODEC but I never had to think about it.
Second, the screenshots for Amarok show a tiny little player window on a big
monitor. Amarok shows the same amateurish user interface as MusicMatch and
other Windows players that try to simulate a desktop stereo system rather
than a computer. The screenshots are from a monitor probably between 17 to
19 inches and yet Amarok has scrolling titles because the player is only a
couple inches wide.
I'd rather use WMP 11 than that. And I hate WMP 11.
Dale
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BillW50
Dale said:
Hi Dale! Most Linux users are happy with scraps! So what else is there
to say? <grin>