To badly go where no OS has gone before.....

[Poprivet]

there is nothing wrong with it. The only thing wrong is the zealots on
both sides thinking that the other side are demons. I have a Pontiac
and Ford. The only thing wrong with MS is there want of total
control of their customers. Sounds a little like Stalin.

There it is: Every long thread will eventually deprecate to a reference
such as that sooner or later, usually sooner.

 

[Alias]

I never used ogg in my life, so I have no clue.

It sounds great.

But WAV is uncompressed
(well at best barely) and is at least 10 times larger than MP3 or WMA
format. Actually WMA is smaller than MP3 as well. And IMHO sounds much
better too.

Rip a CD with WMP 10 to WMA and then set the MP3 in WMP to 320 kps and
use WMP to rip the same CD but as an MP3. Compare. You'll never use WMA
again. Never, hear me, NEVER!

Heh.

Alias

 

[Alias]

I guess if you run Linux, you probably require "approved repositories".
For Windows users, we just look for the Windows logo.

Actually, you can access the repositories with a command line or various GUI
based programs.

Alias

 

[caver1]

Oh... why not use WMA instead? I have programs that can convert to OGG.
But I have no idea what player plays them. I suppose if you have the
codec, anything, eh?

Yes if you have the codecs. Winamp will play them. Right now I'm using a
Rio Karma. like it a lot. Dvix and Mvix will play them.
Zune, Ipod and several others won't. That's why I stay away from them.

 

[Erik Jan]

BillW50 zei het volgende op 04-01-07 22:19:

WMA and WMV are proprietary formats owned by MS. Linux users do not have
permission from MS to use them. MS locks all users of Windows in and
does not acknowledge the existence of other operating systems.

It is all a question of licenses and patents. The American patent law is
a serious hindrance to new developments. At least this is my opinion
after reading a lot on the internet about the issue.

Erik.

 

[BillW50]

BillW50 zei het volgende op 04-01-07 22:19:


WMA and WMV are proprietary formats owned by MS. Linux users do not
have permission from MS to use them. MS locks all users of Windows in
and does not acknowledge the existence of other operating systems.

Really? Then why does my non-Windows MP3 player and my non-Windows DVD
player play WMA formats? I am sure they had to purchase a license, but
why not purchase one if you want it? That is what makes the world go
round. People want things and pay for them. I don't see a problem with
this concept at all.

It is all a question of licenses and patents. The American patent law
is a serious hindrance to new developments. At least this is my
opinion after reading a lot on the internet about the issue.

I disagree. I have lived in the world before MS and it was awful! No
standard BIOS for one. Software developers had to write software for
practically every make and model. Customers and developers lost out a
lot. And worse, development had cost a bundle back then and even if you
bought the expensive software, companies folded left and right. So you
were often left without support.

MS changed all of this. As PCs has to have some standardization. And
without this, Windows and Linux users would be screwed today. PCs, got
cheaper, software got cheaper, standards got into place, etc. So no, we
are far better off today. I am positive of it.

 

[Nina DiBoy]

I don't see anything wrong with using both Linux and Windows. That way
you have the best of both worlds ;-) I'm setting up all my computers to
dual boot between the two. Course, I mean XP. Vista has a few years
before it'll be up to its own speed as will all the third party providers.

Alias

Hi Alias. I agree completely for certain things. I still prefer XP for
my primary desktop OS. I use Fedora core for most of my other stuff
(mainly server stuff and media center).

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[Nina DiBoy]

Can't play WMA files? Wow! I would be screwed royally without that
ability! Some DVD players and portable MP3 players can play WMA files.
Why can't Linux?

Hi Bill. My understanding is that it is because there is no wma codec
available for linux. It would be against the license for the wma file
type to have a proprietary codec like that available for an open source
OS. All of my music/movies/media is in mp3 format or some other type of
non-proprietary format so it works fine for me.

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[BillW50]

Hi Alias. I agree completely for certain things. I still prefer XP
for my primary desktop OS. I use Fedora core for most of my other
stuff (mainly server stuff and media center).

I used to dualboot many years ago. What a pain in the ass! I just call
it scheduled OS crashes today. It is bad enough to open and close
applications. But to start and shutdown whole OS, please!

In the early 80's, one stated that you find the applications you want to
run, then run the OS that runs them. I still feel this is great advice
even today.

 

[BillW50]

Hi Bill. My understanding is that it is because there is no wma codec
available for linux. It would be against the license for the wma file
type to have a proprietary codec like that available for an open
source OS. All of my music/movies/media is in mp3 format or some
other type of non-proprietary format so it works fine for me.

That makes sense Nina. Although every computer I ever bought since '93
already comes with Windows anyway. So I don't mind favoring WMA format.
It is really good too IMHO.

 

[Alias]

I used to dualboot many years ago. What a pain in the ass!

"Many years ago"? LOL! What did you dual boot, MS DOS and DR DOS?

Alias

 

[BillW50]

"Many years ago"? LOL! What did you dual boot, MS DOS and DR DOS?

No OS/2 and Windows 3.1. Luckily, GEOS would run under either OS/2 or
Windows. Or even DR-DOS or MS-DOS if you wanted too.

OS/2 Warp claimed to run Windows 3.1 too, but it didn't work very well.
And IBM replaced WIN.COM with its own hacked version. So when you ran
Windows without OS/2, it was 80kb shorter in the first 640kb of memory.
I believe they did this so Windows would run like crap. The kicker was
the original WIN.COM worked fine under OS/2 too, so what was the point?

 

[Alias]

No OS/2 and Windows 3.1. Luckily, GEOS would run under either OS/2 or
Windows. Or even DR-DOS or MS-DOS if you wanted too.

OS/2 Warp claimed to run Windows 3.1 too, but it didn't work very well.
And IBM replaced WIN.COM with its own hacked version. So when you ran
Windows without OS/2, it was 80kb shorter in the first 640kb of memory.
I believe they did this so Windows would run like crap. The kicker was
the original WIN.COM worked fine under OS/2 too, so what was the point?

My point is that rebooting doesn't take as long as it used to and, if
that's too much for your short-fused patience, put Windows in a VM.

Alias

 

[BillW50]

My point is that rebooting doesn't take as long as it used to and, if
that's too much for your short-fused patience, put Windows in a VM.

My point being why bother to have more than one OS for in the first
place? Just pick the OS that will run everything you need. Life is so
simple!

I have a VoIP phone (Yahoo's) and I am often streaming video/audio
anyway. Thus I am up and running 24/7. Like I am going to tell someone I
missed their call because I was rebooting to another OS! Baloney!
Multiple OS are for light weights! Real productive people don't have
time for that nonsense.

 

[Alias]

My point being why bother to have more than one OS for in the first
place?

In my case, I am learning Ubuntu and, due to the fact that I use my
computer for business, I have XP running temporarily.

Just pick the OS that will run everything you need. Life is so
simple!

See above.

I have a VoIP phone (Yahoo's) and I am often streaming video/audio
anyway. Thus I am up and running 24/7. Like I am going to tell someone I
missed their call because I was rebooting to another OS! Baloney!

With the low price of a regular phone call from a land line, VoIP is
yesterday's news. I can call the USA from Spain for less than 6 euros an
hour.

Multiple OS are for light weights! Real productive people don't have
time for that nonsense.

You just had to add the supercilious insult, didn't you?

Alias

 

[BillW50]

In my case, I am learning Ubuntu and, due to the fact that I use my
computer for business, I have XP running temporarily.

Okay. Hopefully in your case, Ubuntu will do everything you need. I am
positive it wouldn't for me. As I have too many proprietary devices with
Windows only drivers available. That is why a Mac wouldn't do me any
good either.

See above.

I did! lol

With the low price of a regular phone call from a land line, VoIP is
yesterday's news. I can call the USA from Spain for less than 6 euros
an hour.

Ah... but my VoIP phone number follows me wherever I go! So I don't have
to keep giving out new phone numbers all of the time. Plus having a
phone number and it only costs $30 a year to keep is hard to beat! lol

Plus VoIP is still far cheaper than land lines by far. For example, US
call to US, UK, Canada and many more are just 1¢. That is just $0.60 an
hour. Spain is just 1.5¢ a minute. Or $0.90 an hour. That is almost 1/10
the cost of your example.

You just had to add the supercilious insult, didn't you?

No, I was being serious! Some of us don't have time to reboot our
computers. And I don't understand when businesses tell me their computer
systems is down. Mine are hardly ever down and that is the way it should
be. I don't even take mine offline to do backups. Why do so if you don't
have too?

 

[Guest]

thats some crappy spam

 

[jim]

if its so crappy why did you drag it out, this was posted months ago

perhaps you are the real crappy spammer?

 

[Sly Dog]

thats some crappy spam

Hardy har har!

(That's nice...)