{PL} Proposed Pricelessware 2004 CD

[Ben Cooper]

suitable title.

Hi Roger

The publically available part is what concerns me. In his post Roger S.
also raised a question about the GNU public licence requirements:

There may be other issues we haven't thought of. My personal view is
that we should keep a low profile at first and not make an ISO
*publicly* available until we have gone through a trial

period.

This doesn't *have* to be a Pricelessware project. It could
be nothing more than those of us who know each other through
the a.c.f. group. If several of us decide to offer a CD full
of software *based* on the Pricelessware site, where's the
harm?
The MAME burners illegally distribute ROMs all the time, and
they do it every time MAME is updated.

Having an ISO available for volunteers *would* facilitate distribution
of the CD. Perhaps that could be done this way: people who want to
download the ISO could request a URL which would be sent to them by
email. Only *known* participants in ACF would be given the

URL.

This has become more complicated than it should be.
Here's how it should be...
1. Every year a.c.f. nominates and votes for programs to be
on the Pricelessware list.
2. The winners are posted to the Pricelessware site.
3. The a.c.f. burners gather the versions of the programs
that won.
4. The ISO is distributed to the burners.
5. The burners take requests and send them out
appropriately.

One other point. I'm on dial-up and do not want to upload several
hundred megabytes. I could mail the CD to someone to

upload . . .

Isn't the goal to share the software that garners the
approval of a.c.f. with those who can't or won't spend the
several days (or weeks) it might take to get this good
stuff?

 

[DC]

Glenn wrote:

You're a Sweetheart! Or is that not PC anymore, even from an old guy?

[g]

Coming from you it sounds very nice.

How about coming from me?.... <gg>

Get a room... sheesh! };O)

 

[Steven Burn]

Steven Burn wrote in <[email protected]>:

Get a room... sheesh! };O)

</snip>

hehe ;o)

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[Susan Bugher]

Glenn wrote:

You're a Sweetheart! Or is that not PC anymore, even from an old guy?

[g]

Coming from you it sounds very nice.

How about coming from me?.... <gg>

erm . . . can I get back to you on that?

Susan

 

[Steven Burn]

erm . . . can I get back to you on that?

</snip>

Story of my life....... <gg>

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[Susan Bugher]

Yes Ma'am. I have an opinion.
I think it is a good idea. Also, the "excluded list" would give people an
idea on what they can download to add to their collection.

on second thought

I just posted a temporary web page with a list of all the PL2004 apps at:

http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/PL2004ProgramIndexCD.php

It has a column to indicate whether the program will be included on the
CD - I've just started to fill that in - will try to work more on it
later today. I don't see the posts from "anonymous" that evidently show
up on other newsfeeds. I'll use a different news server to find those
and add info from them.

If you use a PL2004 program and could check the readme or EULA for me to
see if it allows distribution I would be *very* grateful for the help.
I'll try to keep the web page up to date as information comes in to
avoid unnecessary duplication of effort. TIA

Susan

 

[Steven Burn]

dszady wrote:

on second thought

I just posted a temporary web page with a list of all the PL2004 apps at:

http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/PL2004ProgramIndexCD.php

It has a column to indicate whether the program will be included on the
CD - I've just started to fill that in - will try to work more on it
later today. I don't see the posts from "anonymous" that evidently show
up on other newsfeeds. I'll use a different news server to find those
and add info from them.

If you use a PL2004 program and could check the readme or EULA for me to
see if it allows distribution I would be *very* grateful for the help.
I'll try to keep the web page up to date as information comes in to
avoid unnecessary duplication of effort. TIA

Susan

For Avant Browser;

Q: If I want to either host the setup file of Avant Browser on my server, or
include the setup file of Avant Browser into the CDROM I will distribute,
may I get a permission?

A: Yes, Please feel free to host/distribute the original setup file
downloaded from the following link:
http://www.qwerks.com/download/5337/absetup.exe
I would also appreciate if you could update the setup file when there is
a new version.

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[Steven Burn]

Just a little confirmation (just received from Anderson Che).

"Please feel free to include Avant Browser in your freeware CD.

Thank you.

Anderson"

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[Shuttlecock]

It doesn't hurt to give people that possibility, so there is no
How about something like the Freeware Book? Set it up so you can select
the programs you want while offline and it downloads later when you are
online. You could set download size and time limits, etc. .

 

[Offbreed]

Susan Bugher wrote:




IF the damage is immediately evident, yes. Like with a destructive virus.
Not necessarily so with a more subtle spy like a keylogger or a trojan.

Well, if two people download the same program and a comparison is made
between the two, any discrepts are likely to pop right up.

 

[Susan Bugher]

For Avant Browser;

Q: If I want to either host the setup file of Avant Browser on my server, or
include the setup file of Avant Browser into the CDROM I will distribute,
may I get a permission?

A: Yes, Please feel free to host/distribute the original setup file
downloaded from the following link:
http://www.qwerks.com/download/5337/absetup.exe
I would also appreciate if you could update the setup file when there is
a new version.

Thanks Steven. For future reference could you tell me what you are
quoting from?

Susan

 

[Steven Burn]

Steven Burn wrote:

Thanks Steven. For future reference could you tell me what you are
quoting from?

Strangely enough, it's part of the FAQ in his auto-response mail \

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[Susan Bugher]

The Pricelessware llnk button received an email yesterday from:

"Pricelessware Admin" <[email protected]>

I assume it was sent by the anonymous person who is currently posting to
ACF about the proposed PL2004 CD. It contained much of the same
information.

Question for the group:

My initial impression was that the person using the "Pricelessware
Admin" <[email protected]> address was misguided but acting in
good faith. I'm beginning to wonder if that's true.

That address is deceptive at best. Perhaps there is an intention to use
it in some sort of fraud attempt related to the proposed PL2004 CD).

Should ACF participants file complaints with Hotmail?

Anonymous:

Please *STOP* using that email address. If your intentions *are*
honorable send a post to ACF stating you will not use the "Pricelessware
Admin" <[email protected]> address again for ANY reason.

Susan

 

[Steven Burn]

The Pricelessware llnk button received an email yesterday from:

"Pricelessware Admin" <[email protected]>

I assume it was sent by the anonymous person who is currently posting to
ACF about the proposed PL2004 CD. It contained much of the same
information.

Question for the group:

My initial impression was that the person using the "Pricelessware
Admin" <[email protected]> address was misguided but acting in
good faith. I'm beginning to wonder if that's true.

That address is deceptive at best. Perhaps there is an intention to use
it in some sort of fraud attempt related to the proposed PL2004 CD).

Should ACF participants file complaints with Hotmail?

Anonymous:

Please *STOP* using that email address. If your intentions *are*
honorable send a post to ACF stating you will not use the "Pricelessware
Admin" <[email protected]> address again for ANY reason.

</snip>

I filed a complaint with Hotmail as soon as I heard about it.

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[Susan Bugher]

Susan Bugher wrote:

This doesn't *have* to be a Pricelessware project. It could
be nothing more than those of us who know each other through
the a.c.f. group. If several of us decide to offer a CD full
of software *based* on the Pricelessware site, where's the
harm?

IMO that's exactly what is being proposed.

The MAME burners illegally distribute ROMs all the time, and
they do it every time MAME is updated.

Reality check. *Others* who have volunteered to help have indicated
*they* do not want to illegally distribute anything. We have several
volunteers who have offered to help distribute a CD. AFAIK you are the
*only* volunteer who is willing to distribute an illegal CD.

This has become more complicated than it should be.
Here's how it should be...
1. Every year a.c.f. nominates and votes for programs to be
on the Pricelessware list.
2. The winners are posted to the Pricelessware site.
3. The a.c.f. burners gather the versions of the programs
that won.
4. The ISO is distributed to the burners.
5. The burners take requests and send them out
appropriately.

That looks just like the proposal we are discussing.

The only thing you left out is: when programs are nominated for PL2005
the information furnished should include a comment on whether or not
redistribution is allowed - to facilitate creating the ISO.

Susan

 

[Susan Bugher]

This doesn't *have* to be a Pricelessware project. It could
be nothing more than those of us who know each other through
the a.c.f. group. If several of us decide to offer a CD full
of software *based* on the Pricelessware site, where's the
harm?

IMO that's exactly what is being proposed.

The MAME burners illegally distribute ROMs all the time, and
they do it every time MAME is updated.

Reality check. *Others* who have volunteered to help have indicated
*they* do not want to illegally distribute anything. We have several
volunteers who have offered to help distribute a CD. AFAIK you are the
*only* volunteer who is willing to distribute an illegal CD.

This has become more complicated than it should be.
Here's how it should be...
1. Every year a.c.f. nominates and votes for programs to be
on the Pricelessware list.
2. The winners are posted to the Pricelessware site.
3. The a.c.f. burners gather the versions of the programs
that won.
4. The ISO is distributed to the burners.
5. The burners take requests and send them out
appropriately.

That looks just like the proposal we are discussing.

The only thing you left out is: when programs are nominated for PL2005
the information furnished should include a comment on whether or not
redistribution is allowed - to facilitate creating the ISO.

Susan

 

[Ben Cooper]

IMO that's exactly what is being proposed.

Not really, everyone seems to be calling it a Pricelessware
CD. It isn't.

Reality check. *Others* who have volunteered to help have indicated
*they* do not want to illegally distribute anything. We have several
volunteers who have offered to help distribute a CD. AFAIK you are the
*only* volunteer who is willing to distribute an illegal

CD.

It's illegal to distribute ROMs. It's not illegal to
distribute freeware. I volunteered to distribute regardless
of EULAs or registration requirements, not to break the law.
Certainly you can see the difference.
This point is moot, though, as I'm only going to burn
whatever the final compilation encompasses.

That looks just like the proposal we are discussing.

So far it's been much more complicated than that.

The only thing you left out is: when programs are nominated for PL2005
the information furnished should include a comment on whether or not
redistribution is allowed - to facilitate creating the

ISO.

I suppose.

I think I'll just stay out of this conversation until
everything's decided and the ISO is ready to go; since it
really doesn't matter to me what's in the final compilation.

 

[Susan Bugher]

I have added information from the posts by anonymous to the web page I
uploaded yesterday.

http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/PL2004ProgramIndexCD.php

I have noted some programs that IMO look like they can be included
without further checking: last freeware version programs (hosted by
someone other than the author), GNU licences etc.

I'll be happy to put the CD together but checking web sites, readme's
and EULA's for redistribution info is more work than I can handle.

I will update the web page when people post information about whether or
not programs can be included on the CD. Please note where you found the
info - for future reference.

I have uploaded a new web page that summarizes the consensus to date
about the proposed PL2004 CD. If anyone writes to an author about the
proposed CD IMO it would be a good idea to include the URL:

http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/proposal-CD.htm

Comments are requested.

Susan

 

[Chief Suspect]

Hold it, hold it .... too much dander is being raised over a
misinterpretation.
Can things be done calmly and in a business-like manner? My take on this
from the outside is ... some of you are on two sides of ONE issue, and that
is the further distribution of FREEWARE. Whatever each of us interprets as
proper, some authors do indeed have packaged notes which specify that
his(her) product may be further distributed provided ......(intact packing,
all parts included of the original, no hacks, etc). On the other hand, some
authors have asked specifically that no further distros be made without
their further consent in some way. Am I all wet here?
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[Steven Burn]

1by1;

1by1 is FREEWARE. You can freely use this software and
distribute copies of the ORIGINAL archive file ("1by1.zip")
as long as NO ALTERATIONS are made to the archive file and
its contents and no charge is raised except a reasonable fee
for distributing costs. Any other way of distribution of
this software is prohibited.

Above taken from licence.txt contained within the 1by1 download (.zip)

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1st page 2000 does not allow re-distribution according to the information
at;
http://www.evrsoft.com/legal.shtml

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40tude dialog

LICENSE FOR PRIVATE USERS, NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS AND EDUCATIONAL
INSTITUTIONS
Copies of this version of 40tude Dialog may be
distributed without charge or further permission from
the author provided that exact copies of this
version are distributed.

Taken from the 40tude dialog installer (it's not available anywhere else
that I can see)

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AbiWord

Allows distribution for charge or otherwise according to;
http://www.fsf.org/copyleft/gpl.html#SEC3

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Ad-Aware

Licence available as a .PDF, may contain distribution information. No
information on website

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Add/Remove Pro

Could not find any information

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AllChars

Could not find any information

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Amaya

Allows distribution
http://www.w3.org/Amaya/User/FAQ.html#release

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ATNotes

Allows distribution

"You are allowed to use and distribute ATnotes for free, but you are NOT
allowed to sell ATnotes for profit. You are using ATnotes at your own risk,
no responsibility is taken for damages to your computer system. However I've
not heard of any problems yet. "

http://atnotes.fr.st/

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Attribute Changer

Allows distribution
http://webplaza.pt.lu/public/rpetges/faq.html#General

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AutoIt

Could not find any information

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Belarc Advisor

Could not find any information

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Bookmark Wizard

Could not find any information

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burnatonce

Could not find any information

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Buttonz and Tilez

Could not find any information


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