{PL} Proposed Pricelessware 2004 CD

[Tim R.]

I suppose I could take care of Ontario, Canada burning,
POKO

If a western Canada presence is needed, I'd do my bit for the project
as well.

tim

 

[=?iso-8859-1?Q?Omar=A9?=]

Proposed Pricelessware 2004 CD

The idea has been raised, SINNER has downloaded the programs. Now the
question is does ACF want to do it. I'm in favor. Here are my thoughts
and suggestions.

CONTENT

I think including a copy of the PL pages would be helpful to the
recipient of the CD, probably also an index of the included files and
versions. . .

I see some questionable areas with the programs. If the EULA prohibits
redistribution IMO the program should be omitted.

There are seven programs that require registration:

avast! (Liteware) (free for personal non-commercial use) (Registerware:
email, name, address, phone)

Speakonia (Freeware) (Registerware: name, email)

AVG Anti-Virus System (Liteware) (personal or non-commercial use only)
(unsupported) (Registerware: name, e-mail, address)

WS_FTP LE (Liteware) (free for educational users at degree-granting
institutions for academic purposes only) (unsupported) (Registerware:
name, email, educational institution info)

Calypso (Freeware) (last Freeware version) (unsupported) (Registerware:
name and email)

PowerDesk (Liteware) (Registerware: email) (Nagware)

Zoner Draw 3 (Earlier version of $ware) (Registerware: name/ email/ country)

Aida32 (Freeware) (Registerware: not required for personal use)

Clearly Aida32 is not a problem. ISTM that programs that require
registration *prior* to downloading should not be included on the CD.
WS_FTP LE for instance. If a registration code is required to *use* the
program and can be obtained by registering at the website I think the
program could be included.

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MAKING THE CD, INITIAL DISTRIBUTION TO VOLUNTEERS

SINNER is going to send me his downloads. After the group agrees on the
content I could burn and send copies of the final CD to the first
several volunteers. Perhaps sort of a chain letter, those volunteers
could send copies to other volunteers . . .

FWIW I've never done a checksum, *but* - I know where to find help if
needed to figure it out . . .

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GENERAL DISTRIBUTION

FREE and KISS. I like the idea of people who want a CD sending a blank
CD and a stamped, self-addressed mailer to the volunteer who will burn
the CD.

I think it would be a good idea to keep distribution pretty much through
ACF to start with. I suggest this be done by posting a request with
means of contact so a volunteer can get in touch with you. Keeping it in
the newsgroup initially will give us a chance to see if there are
problems and besides . . .

I'd like to see regular participants get their CDs first

The MAME group has a web page with unmunged email addresses for
volunteers in various countries. I'm leery of this . . . If the CD is a
rousing success and we want to add details to the web site perhaps the
volunteer's handle and country (state, province etc.) would be better.
Visitors to the web site could then post requests in ACF pinging the
appropriate person or persons. FYI - I do *not* want to handle requests
for CDs via the Pricelessware links button. . .

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UPDATES

Once a year when the new list comes out? I think more frequent updates
might be too complicated.

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Comments?

If you think a PW 2004 CD is a lousy idea, now's the time to say so.

If there are problems that haven't been considered or better ways to do
this *please* post.

and . . .

We need at least a handful of volunteers now - no point it creating a CD
if no one wants to help distribute it . . .

hmm, I see a couple of volunteers already:

Ben Cooper
burnr

Anyone else want to add their name to the list?

Susan

Well I am a lurker but I could burn a few.
Omar

 

[bambam]

Definitely I vote that nothing be included on the Priceleware CD
which violates an author's redistribution prohibitions.

I took this as given, and would be very surprised and disappointed if
any other scenario was approved. In other words, I agree.

 

[GoodTime Barnie]

</snip>

hehe, Newcastle Upon Tyne, UK to be precise (knew I'd remember eventually
<gg>)

Hummm, my daughter was there a week or so ago mentioned a really great
beer she wished we could get here......In Glasgow now.
GoodTime Barnie

 

[Steven Burn]

Hummm, my daughter was there a week or so ago mentioned a really great
beer she wished we could get here......In Glasgow now.
GoodTime Barnie

Do you remember what it was called?

--
Regards

Steven Burn
Ur I.T. Mate Group
www.it-mate.co.uk

Keeping it FREE!

Disclaimer:
I know I'm probably wrong, I just like taking part ;o)

 

[GoodTime Barnie]

Do you remember what it was called?

Sorry I can't and have deleted the e-mail , but she said it was made
there I think, quite strong but very good.
Goodtime Barnie

 

[Steven Burn]

Sorry I can't and have deleted the e-mail , but she said it was made
there I think, quite strong but very good.
Goodtime Barnie

Personally I'm a Guinness man but, Newcastle Brown Ale is the most well
known "Geordie" drink (bleedin disgusting too!)

--
Regards

Steven Burn
Ur I.T. Mate Group
www.it-mate.co.uk

Keeping it FREE!

Disclaimer:
I know I'm probably wrong, I just like taking part ;o)

 

[Susan Bugher]

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Seconded!

Any compromising of the "Pricelessware" etiquette would render "the list" a
bad reputation as well.

I agree.

Although I don't have the time to put into any active participation in the
matter of the CD, I think we who participated in the nominating and voting
for the list should express our opinions on this.

I've been lurking and delurking on and off since the late 90's, and my
feeling is that there has always been a strong opinion against warez, and a
violation of any redistribution policies would be a step in the wrong
direction.

I agree completely that *everyone* who has an opinion about this should
speak up - even if you don't plan to be directly involved in the
creation and distribution of the CD. Setting policy for ACF is a matter
for *all* participants. That's what we are doing in this discussion.

Lucky you did, as it caused a greater attention to the subject!

If and when a Pricelessware CD is ready for distribution, I'll ask for
names and addresses (emailed to me or the PL link) so I can send copies
out to volunteers.

Steven, when we get to that point, feel free to do what you want. I
agree with Bjorn though, objections ought to be *aired*.

The list of included programs will be long. I'll post a list of
*excluded* programs when I have one - to give people a chance to comment
on specific programs.

Susan

 

[CHarneyCHRIS]

AIDA32 should definitely be included on the cd,i cant see why you wouldnt
include it.

 

[dszady]

...

[...]

The list of included programs will be long. I'll post a list of
*excluded* programs when I have one - to give people a chance to comment
on specific programs.

Susan

Yes Ma'am. I have an opinion.
I think it is a good idea. Also, the "excluded list" would give people an
idea on what they can download to add to their collection.

 

[DAN]

Susan,

My advice would be to consider carefully the risk for misuse of this initiative
by malevolent people.

What if some malicious idiot joins the team of honest duplicators, and laces the
distro with trojans, keyloggers, and such, for example?

For those idiots, the temptation will be huge, I'm afraid.



I suppose that countermeasures could be taken, such as a list of hash keys for
each app's zip on the PL website, but this requires some further thought, IMO.


I don't mean to rain on the parade. I'm just a little bit disenchanted about the
fauna at large. I'd hate to see good people get their fingers burnt.
DAN

 

[Roger Spencelayh]

I took this as given, and would be very surprised and disappointed if
any other scenario was approved. In other words, I agree.

Thirded (or whatever the count is up to now).

Violating licence agreements doesn't seem to be a smart move.

 

[GoodTime Barnie]

Personally I'm a Guinness man but, Newcastle Brown Ale is the most well
known "Geordie" drink (bleedin disgusting too!)

Didn't say she had good taste, yes that's the one. I've never had either
so can't comment...an Irish friend agrees with you. I vaguely remember
drinking Guiness at Expo 67 in Montreal but tooooo long ago for my old
head.
GoodTime Barnie

 

[Susan Bugher]

AIDA32 should definitely be included on the cd,i cant see why you wouldnt
include it.

I just listed *all* the programs that are noted as registerware in the
PL description (and noted that AIDA32 does *not* appear to be a problem).

Susan

 

[Susan Bugher]

Proposed Pricelessware 2004 CD

We need at least a handful of volunteers now - no point it creating a CD
if no one wants to help distribute it . . .

hmm, I see a couple of volunteers already:

Ben Cooper
burnr

and more now

POKO - Ontario, Canada
tim - western Canada
bambam
Adrian Carter (Sydney, Australia)
Henry The Mole - Italy
Roger Spencelayh - UK
Omar

IMO enough volunteers have come forward to make it worth proceeding with
the CD layout.

The consensus seems clearly in favor of excluding programs that do not
permit distribution. I will put together the list of programs that IMO
should be excluded - and post it for further review by the group (may
take me a while to assemble the list).

Susan

 

[Susan Bugher]

Susan,

My advice would be to consider carefully the risk for misuse of this initiative
by malevolent people.

What if some malicious idiot joins the team of honest duplicators, and laces the
distro with trojans, keyloggers, and such, for example?

The current plan is for a person to mail a stamped self-addressed
envelope with a blank CD to the volunteer who will burn the PL2004 data.
Seems to me that a malicious volunteer would be fairly easy to track
down . . .

Susan

 

[Nicolaas Hawkins]

In Message <dated Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:17:00 -0500,

and more now

POKO - Ontario, Canada
tim - western Canada
bambam
Adrian Carter (Sydney, Australia)
Henry The Mole - Italy
Roger Spencelayh - UK
Omar

I should be able to cover the New Zealand sector.

--
Regards,
Nicolaas.



- Hangover - what my belly does over my belt past 40!

 

[bambam]

I should be able to cover the New Zealand sector.

Or half of it.
I'm on the South Island!

 

[John Fitzsimons]

I took this as given, and would be very surprised and disappointed if
any other scenario was approved. In other words, I agree.

Yep.

Also, for the CD to have maximum benefit there would need to be a
mention of the programs/utilities (and links ?) that were Priceless
but not included on the CD.

Regards, John.

 

[burnr]

LOL I like that