[PL] PL2005 CD - it's time to get serious

M

Mel

This thread is to discuss the verification of the PL2005 CD and the
PL2005 ISO of the CD.

I have added the information below to the 2005 Pricelessware CD web
page. I believe the information is correct (it has been checked and
cross-checked) but I would appreciate some feedback/confirmation.

If you have a copy of the PL2005 CD please check the number of files and
the size of the files against the information below and post the results
in this thread.

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2005/2005PL-CD-about.php

<Q>
Some files were changed after the checksum file was created. As a
result the dvdsig.md5 file that is included on the CD gives incorrect
results. Verify your copy of the CD by comparing the files and file
sizes with this summary:

(root) 142278 bytes, 11 files
2005 folder: 743,624 bytes, 20 files, 0 folders
acf folder: 11,636 bytes, 2 files, 0 folders
files folder: 599,660,357 bytes, 327 files, 195 folders
TOTAL = 360 files, 198 folders

A list of all the files on the CD and the size of each (in bytes)
is here.

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/ftp/2005PL-CD-All-Files.txt
</Q>

TIA

Susan
Rather than manually check use the .md5 file posted in
alt.binaries.freeware
 
S

SYSYPHUS' SISTER

Susan said:
This thread is to discuss the verification of the PL2005 CD and the
PL2005 ISO of the CD.

I have added the information below to the 2005 Pricelessware CD web
page. I believe the information is correct (it has been checked and
cross-checked) but I would appreciate some feedback/confirmation.

If you have a copy of the PL2005 CD please check the number of files and
the size of the files against the information below and post the results
in this thread.

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2005/2005PL-CD-about.php

<Q>
Some files were changed after the checksum file was created. As a
result the dvdsig.md5 file that is included on the CD gives incorrect
results. Verify your copy of the CD by comparing the files and file
sizes with this summary:

(root) 142278 bytes, 11 files
2005 folder: 743,624 bytes, 20 files, 0 folders
acf folder: 11,636 bytes, 2 files, 0 folders
files folder: 599,660,357 bytes, 327 files, 195 folders
TOTAL = 360 files, 198 folders

A list of all the files on the CD and the size of each (in bytes) is
here.

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/ftp/2005PL-CD-All-Files.txt
</Q>

TIA

Susan
Hmmm...mine shows that I am missing 2 folders (193 total) in the files
folder, but the byte count is correct. That means that the TOTAL count
is 360 folders, but only 196 folders and not 198. DAMMIT!!

SYSYPHUS' SISTER
 
S

Susan Bugher

Jim said:
My CD agrees with this info. Total size (right click on the CD drive
and look at the properties) of the my PL2005CD is 601,784,320 (573MB).
Someplace, not sure where, I thought the size was supposed to be
601,796,608.

That's probably the number I had on the web site - and removed after
realizing that it would likely be different on different OS - since it's
the "used space". Apologies for my stupidity.

FWIW - My "used space" number agrees with yours. (The number I had on
the web site was furnished by Steven Burn => different OS from mine.)

Summing up all the files sizes gives a total of 600557895 bytes but
AFAIK there's no way to display that number in Explorer. That's why I
listed the bytes for individual directories - those numbers can be
verified in Explorer.

Haven't gotten into checking individual file sizes. Was
able to verify that the vast majority of my files agreed with the
md5sums in the dvdsig.md5 file.

My concern is with the 26 files that are on the PL2005CD, but are
nowhere to be found in the dvdsig.md5 file.

There were changes after the dvdsig.md5 file was created. Files were
added, removed and revised. I have checked and cross-checked the files
that are actually on the *final* CD.

I don't think any further checking is required to verify that you have a
good CD. You have the same number of files and the exact same number of
bytes as I do on my copy of the CD.

Susan
 
S

SYSYPHUS' SISTER

SYSYPHUS' SISTER said:
Hmmm...mine shows that I am missing 2 folders (193 total) in the files
folder, but the byte count is correct. That means that the TOTAL count
is 360 folders, but only 196 folders and not 198. DAMMIT!!

SYSYPHUS' SISTER
JEZUZ-that should read 360 "FILES" and only 196 folders.....

SYSYPHUS' SISTER
 
M

Mark Warner

Susan said:
I received my copy of the PL2005 CD from Mark Warner. Mark downloaded
the ISO created by Steven Burn from Steven's web site.

Please tell me if your CD matches this information from my copy of
the CD:

(root) 142278 bytes, 11 files
2005 folder: 743,624 bytes, 20 files, 0 folders
acf folder: 11,636 bytes, 2 files, 0 folders
files folder: 599,660,357 bytes, 327 files, 195 folders
TOTAL = 360 files, 198 folders

Checking the number of files and the size of each directory should be
adequate as a verification. I do not believe someone could introduce a
virus without changing those numbers.

Yeah, but what do you really know about me? :O)
 
S

Susan Bugher

SYSYPHUS' SISTER said:
JEZUZ-that should read 360 "FILES" and only 196 folders.....

SYSYPHUS' SISTER

First things first - where did your copy of the CD come from?

downloaded from ______?
mailed by ________?

Susan
 
F

Frank Hahn

First things first - where did your copy of the CD come from?

downloaded from ______?
mailed by ________?
I don't know if this will help or not, but I downloaded the PL2005 ISO
image via a BitTorrent program called TorrentStorm. I got the original
seed from alt.binaries.freeware. It was posted by Whirled Peas on January
18th.

After downloading the ISO, the file size was 601,796,608 bytes. I copied
it to my Solaris machine and ran md5 on the iso and got the following:

bart% md5 pl2005cdiso.iso
MD5 (pl2005cdiso.iso) = f6968581dfefdf2c69cdcf40b8ade216

This matched the md5 sum posted by Mel in alt.binaries.freeware as the
file named pl2005cdiso.iso.md5.

The easiest way to verify the file is just do the ISO and not all of the
individual directories unless the ISO has been deleted.

Hope this helps some.
 
M

Mel

I don't know if this will help or not, but I downloaded the PL2005 ISO
image via a BitTorrent program called TorrentStorm. I got the original
seed from alt.binaries.freeware. It was posted by Whirled Peas on January
18th.

After downloading the ISO, the file size was 601,796,608 bytes. I copied
it to my Solaris machine and ran md5 on the iso and got the following:

bart% md5 pl2005cdiso.iso
MD5 (pl2005cdiso.iso) = f6968581dfefdf2c69cdcf40b8ade216

This matched the md5 sum posted by Mel in alt.binaries.freeware as the
file named pl2005cdiso.iso.md5.

The easiest way to verify the file is just do the ISO and not all of the
individual directories unless the ISO has been deleted.

Hope this helps some.
Go luck to everyone wishing to verify their .iso or CD.

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R

Roger Patton

I downloaded the pl2005cdiso.iso using eMule when, I believe, steven
Burns made it available in that manner.

I burned a cd using CDBurnerxpPro 3 and have spent most of today
checking file sizes, checksums, etc.

I first downloaded the list of files from
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/ftp/2005PL-CD-All-Files.txt. I then
used Directory Lister v0.7.2 to make a list of the files as burned on
CD. I'll admit that I did not check every filesize in the list, but
just enough to satisfy myself that most, at least, were of the correct
size.

I downloaded the MD5 checksum posted to alt.binaries.freeware by Mel and
compared that list of checksums to the CD using md5deep.exe from
md5deep.sourceforge.net.

They matched without a hitch. Two different MD5 generators used by two
different individuals.

All items used by me in this verification are Freeware except the virus
checker, below.

In my estimation this is a verification of the integrity of the original
pl2005cdiso.iso file. At the very least there are two good copies (or,as
is possible, two equally corrupted copies) now available.

Both the pl2005cdiso.iso and the burned CD have been checked for viruses
using eTrustAntivirus with the latest virus definition files. they are
clean.

I would also like to inform the group that I approached Mark Warner in
an e-mail and asked him if he would like any help burning and mailing
CD's. We live less than forty miles apart. He informed me, and
rightfully so, that he had been entrusted with certain mailing addresses
and that he did not think it advisable to share said information. I
have a great deal of respect for Mark and believe that the CD's that he
has provided are as legitimate as they can be.

Roger Patton
 
S

Susan Bugher

Mel wrote:

<SNIP>

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/ftp/2005PL-CD-All-Files.txt

1/21/2005
2005PL CD: All Files on the CD

(root) SUBTOTAL = 142278 bytes 11 files
2005 dir. SUBTOTAL = 743,624 bytes 20 files, 0 folders
acf dir. SUBTOTAL = 11,636 bytes 2 files, 0 folders
files dir. SUBTOTAL = 599,660,357 bytes 327 files, 195 folders
TOTAL = 360 files, 198 folders

-------------

2005.gif 17611
2005head_blu.gif 4570
2005PL-CDcover.jpg 19476
AboutWebsite.php 4816
autorun.inf 39
dvdsig.exe 10240
dvdsig.md5 24077
index.html 5939
ProgramList.txt 14381
readme.txt 3729
shellexe.exe 37400

SUBTOTAL = 142278 bytes
11 files

-------------

2005\
2005.gif 17611
2005PL-CD-programs.php 53168
2005PL-Procedures.php 11454
about2005PL.php 9366
CumulativePL.php 144849
head_blu.gif 4570
PL2005BUSINESS-HOME.php 21572
PL2005CategoryIndex.php 31654
PL2005DESKTOP.php 18401
PL2005FILEUTILITIES.php 52735
PL2005GRAPHICS.php 24620
PL2005INTERNET.php 59630
PL2005MULTIMEDIA.php 32262
PL2005ORGANIZERS.php 24940
PL2005ProgramIndex.php 92192
PL2005PROGRAMMING.php 23277
PL2005SECURITY.php 23602
PL2005SYSTEMUTILITIES.php 58977
PL2005TEXT.php 22236
PL2005WEBDESIGN.php 16508

SUBTOTAL = 743,624 bytes
20 files, 0 folders

-------------


acf\
AboutWebsite.php 4701
WareGlossary.php 6935

SUBTOTAL = 11,636 bytes
2 files, 0 folders

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files\
files\1\
files\1\2xExplorer\
2xex1412.zip 401365
files\1\40tude Dialog\
4d2b37.exe 3780269
files\1\7-Zip\
7z313.exe 942512
7z413b.exe 1010327
files\A\
files\A\ActivIcons\
actic326.exe 2034161
files\A\Agent Ransack\
agentran.exe 810405
files\A\AllChars\
allchars362.zip 369160
allchars362setup.exe 484306
allchars363patch.zip 358730
files\A\AM-DeadLink\
dlsetup.exe 805235
files\A\AtNotes\
atnsetup.exe 774346
files\A\Audacity\
audacity-manual-1.2.zip 455664
audacity-win-1.2.3.exe 2459378
audacity-win-1.2.3.zip 2822570
lame-3.96.1.zip 614943
VST-Enabler-0.1.3.zip 33539
files\A\AutoHotkey\
AutoHotkey1024.exe 1280725
files\A\AutoIt\
autoit-v3.zip 949684
autoit-v3-setup.exe 1035405
files\A\AVIcodec\
AVIcod11.exe 357780
files\B\
files\B\Batchrun\
btrun410.exe 700269
btrun410.zip 695767
files\B\Blender\
blender-2.36-windows.exe 4724644
blender-2.36-windows.zip 4575208
files\B\Burnatonce\
Aspi32.exe 288433
bao0995.exe 4000588
files\B\Burnatonce\ASPI_Utilities\
aspi_fix.zip 255332
Aspichk.exe 115200
aspifix.zip 970
files\B\Buttonz & Tilez!\
bttnztlz.zip 2816721
files\C\
files\C\Cacheman\
40Comupd.exe 511424
cachem51_help.zip 89544
cachm550.exe 949617
cachm550.zip 946190
files\C\Calendar Magic\
calmag150.zip 1806343
files\C\Cathy\
Cathy.zip 44412
files\C\CDCheck\
CDCheck.zip 1067526
CDCheckSetup.exe 1125156
files\C\CDex\
cdex_151.exe 2000324
cdex_151.zip 1923290
files\C\ChangeIcon\
ChgIconE.zip 23551
files\C\Columbine Bookmark Merge (CBM)\
cbm33m.zip 682592
files\C\Convert\
convert.zip 156577
convertsetup.exe 798244
files\C\Crimson Editor\
cedt370r.exe 1253038
files\C\Crypt Edit\
cedit.zip 1157123
update41.zip 548542
files\C\Crypt Edit\Dictionaries\
british.exe 236365
french.exe 439911
german.exe 748320
italian.exe 533209
portuguese.exe 412672
spanish.exe 487847
spellset.exe 1160605
swedish.exe 1512138
files\C\Crypt Edit\Help_Files\
help.zip 240083
help_sp.zip 176055
files\C\Crypt Edit\Interfaces\
chinese.zip 95581
chinese2.zip 90324
russian.zip 84301
spanish.zip 84186
files\C\Crypt Edit\Plugins\
autoscr.zip 138816
convpack.exe 898272
hexplus.zip 208920
intimp.zip 144960
files\C\Cygwin\
setup.exe 268800
files\D\
files\D\DAEMON Tools\
daemon347.exe 504320
files\D\dBpowerAMP Music Converter (dMC)\
dMC-r10.exe 1519800
dMC-r11.exe 1934096
files\D\Debian\
files\D\DeepBurner Free\
DeepBurner1.exe 2660008
files\D\DirKey\
DIRKEY20.EXE 148400
DIRKEYNTXP20.EXE 149084
DIRKEYNTXP20B-PATCH.zip 60318
files\D\DLExpert\
dlexpert099.exe 787305
files\D\DLL Archive\
dllarchi.exe 154903
files\D\Drive Rescue\
driverescue19d.zip 1007764
files\D\DVDSig\
dvdsig.exe 10240
files\E\
files\E\EasyCleaner\
EClea2_0.exe 2828822
EClea2_0.zip 1256381
files\E\eCleaner\
clean202.zip 455708
files\E\EditPad Lite\
SetupEditPadLite.exe 1074150
files\E\Emergency Recovery Utility NT (ERUNT)\
erunt.zip 509703
erunt-setup.exe 812931
files\E\Eraser\
Eraser57Setup.zip 2811211
files\E\Ethereal\
ethereal-setup-0.10.8.exe 8960939
user-guide.chm 1704681
files\E\Exact Audio Copy (EAC)\
eac095pb5.zip 1760287
eacdoc.pdf 121052
files\E\ExamDiff\
ed16k.zip 208852
ed16k_setup.zip 477599
files\E\Extended Character Map\
extended.zip 194111
files\F\
files\F\FileZilla\
FileZilla_2_2_9.zip 4279927
FileZilla_2_2_9_setup.exe 4574559
files\F\FileZilla Server\
FileZilla_Server_0_9_4d.exe 1657263
files\F\Font Magic\
FontMagic.zip 2005023
files\F\Free Digital Camera Enhancer\
dcenhanc.zip 536883
files\F\Free Download Manager (FDM)\
fdminst.exe 1340406
files\F\freeCommander\
fc_setup.zip 1379100
files\F\Frhed\
frhed156.zip 315026
frhed-v1.1.zip 642730
files\F\FTPpie\
ftppie140.zip 254245
files\G\
files\G\GhostScript\
gs850w32.exe 10297856
gsv46w32.exe 1594368
files\G\GrabIt\
GrabIt151b.exe 1302070
files\G\Graph Paper Printer\
gpaper421.zip 374139
files\H\
files\H\Hamster\
Hamster.2.0.0.1.zip 2198172
files\H\HTTRACK (WinHTTrack)\
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httrack-noinst-3.32-2.zip 3423382
files\I\
files\I\IEradicator\
IEradicator2001.zip 204538
files\I\Info-Rapid Search & Replace\
sr.exe 1037513
files\I\Inno Setup\
isetup-5.0.6.exe 1095408
files\I\IrfanView\
irfanview_plugins_395.exe 4692992
iview395.exe 877056
iview395.zip 883719
files\I\IZArc\
IZArc34.exe 3195599
files\J\
files\J\JAlbum\
JAlbum_NoInstall.zip 3676639
JAlbum-install.exe 13928083
JAlbum-install_NoJavaVM.exe 4936129
files\J\JAlbum\Sun_Java\
j2re-1_4_2_06-windows-i586-p.exe 15691488
files\J\JPEG Cleaner\
jpgcln26.zip 291108
files\J\jv16 Powertools\
jv16pt_setup.zip 2196730
files\K\
files\K\K9\
k9v1.zip 78959
k9v1setup.exe 115663
files\K\KeyNote\
kntsetup.exe 1668896
files\K\K-meleon\
kmeleon082.exe 5286198
files\L\
files\L\LAME\
lame-3.96.1.zip 614943
files\L\LFN-Tools (Long FileNames in DOS)\
lfn-1.79-en.zip 284555
files\L\Lister\
lister32.zip 200390
files\L\Lupas Rename (Lupas 2000)\
lupasrename.zip 258679
LupasRenameSetup.exe 550218
files\M\
files\M\Magic Mail Monitor\
magic-2.94b10.zip 151547
files\M\Mailwasher\
mailwasher133.exe 1612052
mailwasher2b28.exe 1461870
files\M\Maxthon (was MyIE2)\
mcombo.exe 5043658
msetup.exe 1988038
files\M\Media Player Classic\
mpc2kxp6482.zip 1304066
mpc98me6482.zip 1300577
files\M\MemLoad\
memload20.zip 28879
files\M\Memtest86\
3_2.txt 855
memt31a.zip 51453
memt32.zip 59893
memtest86-3.1a.tar.gz 142729
memtest86-3.2.tar.gz 131309
files\M\Memtest86\ISO\
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memtest86-3.1a.iso.zip 31776
memtest86-3.2.iso.gz 1837056
memtest86-3.2.iso.zip 39923
files\M\MetaPad\
mpad35.zip 46845
mpad35LE.zip 45603
files\M\MetaPad\Language_Plugins\
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Chinese_Simplified.zip 18311
Chinese_Traditional.zip 19302
Czech.zip 21845
Danish.zip 19279
Dutch.zip 19536
Estonian.zip 19741
Finnish.zip 19444
French.zip 19933
Galego.zip 20255
German.zip 22352
Greek.zip 19627
Hungarian.zip 36339
Indonesian.zip 19184
Italian.zip 19719
Japanese.zip 18722
Korean.zip 21545
Latin_American.zip 18895
Norwegian.zip 19159
Polish.zip 19984
Portuguese.zip 20350
Russian.zip 19897
Serbian.zip 19736
Slovak.zip 20063
Spanish.zip 19927
Swedish.zip 19748
Thai.zip 18890
Turkish.zip 19229
Valencian.zip 19705
files\M\MinGW\
MinGW-3.1.0-1.exe 15219417
files\M\Miranda IM\
miranda-im-v0.3.3.1.exe 742686
miranda-im-v0.3.3.1.zip 789808
files\M\MozBackup\
MozBackup-1.4-ENG.exe 729412
MozBackup-1.4-ENG.zip 589225
files\M\Mozilla\
mozilla-win32-1.7.5.zip 11415048
mozilla-win32-1.7.5-installer.exe 12009680
files\M\Mozilla Firefox (was Mozilla Firebird) (was Phoenix)\
Firefox 1.0.zip 6557315
Firefox Setup 1.0.exe 4915119
files\M\Mozilla Thunderbird\
Thunderbird 1.0.zip 8014768
Thunderbird Setup 1.0.exe 6017334
files\M\mp3DirectCut\
mp3DC138.zip 136295
mpglibdll_092.zip 59153
files\M\MP3Gain\
mp3gain-win-1_2_4.exe 657660
mp3gain-win-1_2_4.zip 729156
mp3gain-win-full-1_2_4.exe 1968197
mp3gain-win-full-1_2_4.zip 2423696
files\M\MPEG Audio Collection (MAC)\
mac292.exe 1547599
mac292.zip 1482876
files\M\MultiRes\
multires.exe 102087
files\M\MWSnap\
MWSnap300.exe 658771
MWSnap300.zip 615938
files\M\MyAlbum\
MyAlbumSetup.exe 2356274
files\N\
files\N\Neutron\
neutron.zip 6059
files\N\nnCron LITE\
nncronlt116.exe 230481
files\N\NoteTab Light\
NoteTab_Setup.exe 1837615
ntfree.zip 1838611
files\N\Nvu\
070.txt 2074
nvu-0.60-win32-installer-full.exe 6715409
nvu-0.70-win32-full.zip 7794792
nvu-0.70-win32-installer-full.exe 6614463
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aboutconfig-0.4-nvu.xpi 7707
DOMinspector-0.9.3-nvu.xpi 472789
htmlHeader-0.0.1-nvu.xpi 73166
venkman-0.9.84-nvu.xpi 250934
files\O\
files\O\OE-Quotefix\
OEQuoteFix1192.exe 430258
files\O\OffByOne\
OffByOne.zip 847712
OffByOneNoSSL.zip 468541
OffByOneSetup.exe 1022372
files\O\OpenOffice.org\
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files\O\Outlook-Quotefix\
outlookquotefix090.exe 387346
files\P\
files\P\Partition Saving (was Savepart)\
doc_html.zip 278809
savepart.zip 425029
files\P\Partition Saving (was Savepart)\Utilities\
diskinfo.zip 50798
fileinfo.zip 53910
Info.txt 691
partinfo.zip 69936
files\P\Password Safe\
pwsafe-2.07.exe 481194
pwsafe-2.07-bin.zip 416060
pwsafe-2.07-src.zip 1060975
files\P\Path Copy (PathCopy)\
pathc400.zip 159068
files\P\PE Builder\
pebuilder312.zip 2763342
files\P\Pegasus Mail\
w32-421c.exe 4621824
files\P\PhotoFiltre\
pf-setup-en.exe 1575501
files\P\Pixia\
pix31te.exe 3700330
files\P\PowerArchiver\
powerarc611.exe 2148823
files\P\PowerPro\
pwrpro41.zip 2671574
files\P\Push That Freakin' Button (PTFB)\
PTFB1064.zip 471277
files\P\PuTTY\
putty.exe 380928
files\P\Python\
python-2.4.msi 10887168
python24.chm 3760412
files\Q\
files\R\
files\R\Ragtime Solo\
RagTime_Solo_565_en.exe 33714146
files\R\Ragtime Solo\Docs\
About_RagTime_5.zip 375251
Formulas_and_Functions.zip 809153
RagTime_5_Reference.zip 1526606
Training_for_Mac_OS_Users.zip 1417666
Training_for_Windows_Users.zip 1449180
files\R\Ranish Partition Manager\
dualboot.pdf 141719
part240.zip 95256
part243.zip 172675
part244.zip 138935
readme.txt 12034
files\R\RegCleaner\
RegCleaner.exe 553687
RegCleanerNoSetup.exe 505897
files\R\ReplaceEm (was BK ReplaceEm)\
bkrep20.exe 585728
bkrepl.zip 423616
files\R\Resource Hacker\
reshack.zip 549907
files\R\RUNit\
runit201.zip 39591
files\S\
files\S\Sam Spade\
spade114.exe 1844806
files\S\Script Defender\
sdefendi.exe 228971
files\S\SharpDevelop\
SharpDevelop_1.0.3.1761_Setup.exe 6072368
files\S\SpaceMonger\
spmn140.zip 105275
files\S\Spybot Search & Destroy\
spybotsd_includes.exe 720151
spybotsd13final.exe 4354084
spybotsd14b1.exe 4442884
spybotsd14b2.exe 4443809
files\S\SuperFormat\
sformat_v27.zip 20498
sformat_v28.zip 35510
files\T\
files\T\TClockEx\
tclockex.exe 467894
tclockex.zip 194464
files\T\The Font Thing\
tft.zip 494048
tfti.zip 1152319
files\T\The Gimp\
gimp-2.2.1-i586-setup.zip 7159131
gimp-gif-1.2.5.zip 17663
gtk+-2.4.14-setup.zip 3370797
files\T\The Gimp\Animations_Package\
gimp-gap-2.0.2-setup.zip 766625
files\T\The Gimp\Help_Files\
gimp-help-2-0.6-setup.zip 9799059
files\T\The Proxomitron\
ProxN45j.exe 1412337
files\T\TightVNC\
tightvnc-1.2.9_x86.zip 691916
tightvnc-1.2.9_x86_viewer.zip 155473
tightvnc-1.2.9-setup.exe 967486
files\T\Total Uninstall\
tun234.zip 810443
files\T\TrackerV3\
trkv360.zip 622447
files\T\TreeCopy\
treecopy.exe 317952
treecopy.zip 292029
files\T\Treepad Lite and Treepad Asia\
tplitelx_complete.tar.gz 2950063
treeasia.zip 477543
treepad.zip 470689
files\U\
files\U\UK's Kalender\
Setup.exe 1192537
files\V\
files\V\VanBasco's Karaoke Player\
vkaraoke.exe 815104
files\V\VirtualDub\
VirtualDub-1.5.10.zip 680660
files\V\Visit URL\
visit.zip 646625
files\V\VNC\
vnc-4.0-x86_win32.exe 743469
vnc-4.0-x86_win32.zip 720051
vnc-4.0-x86_win32_viewer.exe 274432
vnc-4.0-x86_win32_viewer.zip 127354
files\V\VNC\Documentation\
vnc-4.0-documentation.zip 324480
files\W\
files\W\WAssociate\
WAssociate.zip 384744
files\W\Weather Watcher\
WW55BSETUP.EXE 1319063
WW55BUPDATE.EXE 454384
WW56BETA.EXE 1653447
WW56BETAUPDATE.EXE 467398
files\W\WinDriversBackup Personal Edition\
wdrvbck1.exe 2564986
files\W\WinPatrol\
msaardk.exe 1241232
setupde.exe 807198
setupfr.exe 918856
Win95_Users_Notes.txt 831
wpsetup.exe 901984
files\W\WorldTime\
wt552748.zip 4557621
wt600941.exe 2420390
files\X\
files\X\Xenu's Link Sleuth\
XENU.ZIP 518170
files\X\X-Fonter\
X-Fonter-Setup.exe 885301
files\X\Xnews\
TEST.ZIP 597811
xnews.zip 713503
files\X\XnView\
XnView-win.exe 3393518
XnView-win.zip 3282286
XnView-win-full.exe 7061590
XnView-win-full.zip 7710126
XnView-win-small.exe 1332211
XnView-win-small.zip 1089815
files\X\XOSL\
xosl115.zip 447089
xosl115src.zip 332626
files\X\Xplorer²\
xplorer2_lite.zip 803673
files\X\X-Setup Pro (was Xteq X-Setup)\
xqdcxsp-setup-en.zip 4762556
files\X\XXCopy\
xxcopy.zip 251325
files\Y\
files\Y\YahooPOPs! (YPOPs!)\
yahoopops-win-0.6.exe 1182986
files\Y\Yankee Clipper III\
YC3Setup.EXE 1101216
files\Z\
files\Z\ZipGenius\
zg551std.exe 7470327
zg551sui.exe 9536301

SUBTOTAL = 599,660,357 bytes
327 files, 195 folders
 
D

Daniel Lindström

This thread is to discuss the verification of the PL2005 CD and the
PL2005 ISO of the CD.

I have added the information below to the 2005 Pricelessware CD web
page. I believe the information is correct (it has been checked and
cross-checked) but I would appreciate some feedback/confirmation.

If you have a copy of the PL2005 CD please check the number of files and
the size of the files against the information below and post the results
in this thread.

I downloaded the ISO from the site you named:

"Download URL - Burnr's site:"

Everything checks out fine!
It is OK!

My fingers are a bit thick sometimes though. But...
I don't need to use them for downloading and burning, so the result is
OK.
 
M

Mel

Mel wrote:

<SNIP>

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/ftp/2005PL-CD-All-Files.txt

1/21/2005
2005PL CD: All Files on the CD

(root) SUBTOTAL = 142278 bytes 11 files
2005 dir. SUBTOTAL = 743,624 bytes 20 files, 0 folders
acf dir. SUBTOTAL = 11,636 bytes 2 files, 0 folders
files dir. SUBTOTAL = 599,660,357 bytes 327 files, 195 folders
TOTAL = 360 files, 198 folders

-------------

2005.gif 17611
2005head_blu.gif 4570
2005PL-CDcover.jpg 19476
AboutWebsite.php 4816
autorun.inf 39
dvdsig.exe 10240
dvdsig.md5 24077
index.html 5939
ProgramList.txt 14381
readme.txt 3729
shellexe.exe 37400

SUBTOTAL = 142278 bytes
11 files

-------------

2005\
2005.gif 17611
2005PL-CD-programs.php 53168
2005PL-Procedures.php 11454
about2005PL.php 9366
CumulativePL.php 144849
head_blu.gif 4570
PL2005BUSINESS-HOME.php 21572
PL2005CategoryIndex.php 31654
PL2005DESKTOP.php 18401
PL2005FILEUTILITIES.php 52735
PL2005GRAPHICS.php 24620
PL2005INTERNET.php 59630
PL2005MULTIMEDIA.php 32262
PL2005ORGANIZERS.php 24940
PL2005ProgramIndex.php 92192
PL2005PROGRAMMING.php 23277
PL2005SECURITY.php 23602
PL2005SYSTEMUTILITIES.php 58977
PL2005TEXT.php 22236
PL2005WEBDESIGN.php 16508

SUBTOTAL = 743,624 bytes
20 files, 0 folders

-------------


acf\
AboutWebsite.php 4701
WareGlossary.php 6935

SUBTOTAL = 11,636 bytes
2 files, 0 folders

-------------


files\
files\1\
files\1\2xExplorer\
2xex1412.zip 401365
files\1\40tude Dialog\
4d2b37.exe 3780269
files\1\7-Zip\
7z313.exe 942512
7z413b.exe 1010327
files\A\
files\A\ActivIcons\
actic326.exe 2034161
files\A\Agent Ransack\
agentran.exe 810405
files\A\AllChars\
allchars362.zip 369160
allchars362setup.exe 484306
allchars363patch.zip 358730
files\A\AM-DeadLink\
dlsetup.exe 805235
files\A\AtNotes\
atnsetup.exe 774346
files\A\Audacity\
audacity-manual-1.2.zip 455664
audacity-win-1.2.3.exe 2459378
audacity-win-1.2.3.zip 2822570
lame-3.96.1.zip 614943
VST-Enabler-0.1.3.zip 33539
files\A\AutoHotkey\
AutoHotkey1024.exe 1280725
files\A\AutoIt\
autoit-v3.zip 949684
autoit-v3-setup.exe 1035405
files\A\AVIcodec\
AVIcod11.exe 357780
files\B\
files\B\Batchrun\
btrun410.exe 700269
btrun410.zip 695767
files\B\Blender\
blender-2.36-windows.exe 4724644
blender-2.36-windows.zip 4575208
files\B\Burnatonce\
Aspi32.exe 288433
bao0995.exe 4000588
files\B\Burnatonce\ASPI_Utilities\
aspi_fix.zip 255332
Aspichk.exe 115200
aspifix.zip 970
files\B\Buttonz & Tilez!\
bttnztlz.zip 2816721
files\C\
files\C\Cacheman\
40Comupd.exe 511424
cachem51_help.zip 89544
cachm550.exe 949617
cachm550.zip 946190
files\C\Calendar Magic\
calmag150.zip 1806343
files\C\Cathy\
Cathy.zip 44412
files\C\CDCheck\
CDCheck.zip 1067526
CDCheckSetup.exe 1125156
files\C\CDex\
cdex_151.exe 2000324
cdex_151.zip 1923290
files\C\ChangeIcon\
ChgIconE.zip 23551
files\C\Columbine Bookmark Merge (CBM)\
cbm33m.zip 682592
files\C\Convert\
convert.zip 156577
convertsetup.exe 798244
files\C\Crimson Editor\
cedt370r.exe 1253038
files\C\Crypt Edit\
cedit.zip 1157123
update41.zip 548542
files\C\Crypt Edit\Dictionaries\
british.exe 236365
french.exe 439911
german.exe 748320
italian.exe 533209
portuguese.exe 412672
spanish.exe 487847
spellset.exe 1160605
swedish.exe 1512138
files\C\Crypt Edit\Help_Files\
help.zip 240083
help_sp.zip 176055
files\C\Crypt Edit\Interfaces\
chinese.zip 95581
chinese2.zip 90324
russian.zip 84301
spanish.zip 84186
files\C\Crypt Edit\Plugins\
autoscr.zip 138816
convpack.exe 898272
hexplus.zip 208920
intimp.zip 144960
files\C\Cygwin\
setup.exe 268800
files\D\
files\D\DAEMON Tools\
daemon347.exe 504320
files\D\dBpowerAMP Music Converter (dMC)\
dMC-r10.exe 1519800
dMC-r11.exe 1934096
files\D\Debian\
files\D\DeepBurner Free\
DeepBurner1.exe 2660008
files\D\DirKey\
DIRKEY20.EXE 148400
DIRKEYNTXP20.EXE 149084
DIRKEYNTXP20B-PATCH.zip 60318
files\D\DLExpert\
dlexpert099.exe 787305
files\D\DLL Archive\
dllarchi.exe 154903
files\D\Drive Rescue\
driverescue19d.zip 1007764
files\D\DVDSig\
dvdsig.exe 10240
files\E\
files\E\EasyCleaner\
EClea2_0.exe 2828822
EClea2_0.zip 1256381
files\E\eCleaner\
clean202.zip 455708
files\E\EditPad Lite\
SetupEditPadLite.exe 1074150
files\E\Emergency Recovery Utility NT (ERUNT)\
erunt.zip 509703
erunt-setup.exe 812931
files\E\Eraser\
Eraser57Setup.zip 2811211
files\E\Ethereal\
ethereal-setup-0.10.8.exe 8960939
user-guide.chm 1704681
files\E\Exact Audio Copy (EAC)\
eac095pb5.zip 1760287
eacdoc.pdf 121052
files\E\ExamDiff\
ed16k.zip 208852
ed16k_setup.zip 477599
files\E\Extended Character Map\
extended.zip 194111
files\F\
files\F\FileZilla\
FileZilla_2_2_9.zip 4279927
FileZilla_2_2_9_setup.exe 4574559
files\F\FileZilla Server\
FileZilla_Server_0_9_4d.exe 1657263
files\F\Font Magic\
FontMagic.zip 2005023
files\F\Free Digital Camera Enhancer\
dcenhanc.zip 536883
files\F\Free Download Manager (FDM)\
fdminst.exe 1340406
files\F\freeCommander\
fc_setup.zip 1379100
files\F\Frhed\
frhed156.zip 315026
frhed-v1.1.zip 642730
files\F\FTPpie\
ftppie140.zip 254245
files\G\
files\G\GhostScript\
gs850w32.exe 10297856
gsv46w32.exe 1594368
files\G\GrabIt\
GrabIt151b.exe 1302070
files\G\Graph Paper Printer\
gpaper421.zip 374139
files\H\
files\H\Hamster\
Hamster.2.0.0.1.zip 2198172
files\H\HTTRACK (WinHTTrack)\
httrack-3.32-2.exe 3742592
httrack-noinst-3.32-2.zip 3423382
files\I\
files\I\IEradicator\
IEradicator2001.zip 204538
files\I\Info-Rapid Search & Replace\
sr.exe 1037513
files\I\Inno Setup\
isetup-5.0.6.exe 1095408
files\I\IrfanView\
irfanview_plugins_395.exe 4692992
iview395.exe 877056
iview395.zip 883719
files\I\IZArc\
IZArc34.exe 3195599
files\J\
files\J\JAlbum\
JAlbum_NoInstall.zip 3676639
JAlbum-install.exe 13928083
JAlbum-install_NoJavaVM.exe 4936129
files\J\JAlbum\Sun_Java\
j2re-1_4_2_06-windows-i586-p.exe 15691488
files\J\JPEG Cleaner\
jpgcln26.zip 291108
files\J\jv16 Powertools\
jv16pt_setup.zip 2196730
files\K\
files\K\K9\
k9v1.zip 78959
k9v1setup.exe 115663
files\K\KeyNote\
kntsetup.exe 1668896
files\K\K-meleon\
kmeleon082.exe 5286198
files\L\
files\L\LAME\
lame-3.96.1.zip 614943
files\L\LFN-Tools (Long FileNames in DOS)\
lfn-1.79-en.zip 284555
files\L\Lister\
lister32.zip 200390
files\L\Lupas Rename (Lupas 2000)\
lupasrename.zip 258679
LupasRenameSetup.exe 550218
files\M\
files\M\Magic Mail Monitor\
magic-2.94b10.zip 151547
files\M\Mailwasher\
mailwasher133.exe 1612052
mailwasher2b28.exe 1461870
files\M\Maxthon (was MyIE2)\
mcombo.exe 5043658
msetup.exe 1988038
files\M\Media Player Classic\
mpc2kxp6482.zip 1304066
mpc98me6482.zip 1300577
files\M\MemLoad\
memload20.zip 28879
files\M\Memtest86\
3_2.txt 855
memt31a.zip 51453
memt32.zip 59893
memtest86-3.1a.tar.gz 142729
memtest86-3.2.tar.gz 131309
files\M\Memtest86\ISO\
memtest86-3.1a.iso.gz 1837056
memtest86-3.1a.iso.zip 31776
memtest86-3.2.iso.gz 1837056
memtest86-3.2.iso.zip 39923
files\M\MetaPad\
mpad35.zip 46845
mpad35LE.zip 45603
files\M\MetaPad\Language_Plugins\
Catalan.zip 19579
Chinese_Simplified.zip 18311
Chinese_Traditional.zip 19302
Czech.zip 21845
Danish.zip 19279
Dutch.zip 19536
Estonian.zip 19741
Finnish.zip 19444
French.zip 19933
Galego.zip 20255
German.zip 22352
Greek.zip 19627
Hungarian.zip 36339
Indonesian.zip 19184
Italian.zip 19719
Japanese.zip 18722
Korean.zip 21545
Latin_American.zip 18895
Norwegian.zip 19159
Polish.zip 19984
Portuguese.zip 20350
Russian.zip 19897
Serbian.zip 19736
Slovak.zip 20063
Spanish.zip 19927
Swedish.zip 19748
Thai.zip 18890
Turkish.zip 19229
Valencian.zip 19705
files\M\MinGW\
MinGW-3.1.0-1.exe 15219417
files\M\Miranda IM\
miranda-im-v0.3.3.1.exe 742686
miranda-im-v0.3.3.1.zip 789808
files\M\MozBackup\
MozBackup-1.4-ENG.exe 729412
MozBackup-1.4-ENG.zip 589225
files\M\Mozilla\
mozilla-win32-1.7.5.zip 11415048
mozilla-win32-1.7.5-installer.exe 12009680
files\M\Mozilla Firefox (was Mozilla Firebird) (was Phoenix)\
Firefox 1.0.zip 6557315
Firefox Setup 1.0.exe 4915119
files\M\Mozilla Thunderbird\
Thunderbird 1.0.zip 8014768
Thunderbird Setup 1.0.exe 6017334
files\M\mp3DirectCut\
mp3DC138.zip 136295
mpglibdll_092.zip 59153
files\M\MP3Gain\
mp3gain-win-1_2_4.exe 657660
mp3gain-win-1_2_4.zip 729156
mp3gain-win-full-1_2_4.exe 1968197
mp3gain-win-full-1_2_4.zip 2423696
files\M\MPEG Audio Collection (MAC)\
mac292.exe 1547599
mac292.zip 1482876
files\M\MultiRes\
multires.exe 102087
files\M\MWSnap\
MWSnap300.exe 658771
MWSnap300.zip 615938
files\M\MyAlbum\
MyAlbumSetup.exe 2356274
files\N\
files\N\Neutron\
neutron.zip 6059
files\N\nnCron LITE\
nncronlt116.exe 230481
files\N\NoteTab Light\
NoteTab_Setup.exe 1837615
ntfree.zip 1838611
files\N\Nvu\
070.txt 2074
nvu-0.60-win32-installer-full.exe 6715409
nvu-0.70-win32-full.zip 7794792
nvu-0.70-win32-installer-full.exe 6614463
files\N\Nvu\Extensions\
aboutconfig-0.4-nvu.xpi 7707
DOMinspector-0.9.3-nvu.xpi 472789
htmlHeader-0.0.1-nvu.xpi 73166
venkman-0.9.84-nvu.xpi 250934
files\O\
files\O\OE-Quotefix\
OEQuoteFix1192.exe 430258
files\O\OffByOne\
OffByOne.zip 847712
OffByOneNoSSL.zip 468541
OffByOneSetup.exe 1022372
files\O\OpenOffice.org\
OOo_1.1.4_Win32Intel_install.zip 67385924
files\O\Outlook-Quotefix\
outlookquotefix090.exe 387346
files\P\
files\P\Partition Saving (was Savepart)\
doc_html.zip 278809
savepart.zip 425029
files\P\Partition Saving (was Savepart)\Utilities\
diskinfo.zip 50798
fileinfo.zip 53910
Info.txt 691
partinfo.zip 69936
files\P\Password Safe\
pwsafe-2.07.exe 481194
pwsafe-2.07-bin.zip 416060
pwsafe-2.07-src.zip 1060975
files\P\Path Copy (PathCopy)\
pathc400.zip 159068
files\P\PE Builder\
pebuilder312.zip 2763342
files\P\Pegasus Mail\
w32-421c.exe 4621824
files\P\PhotoFiltre\
pf-setup-en.exe 1575501
files\P\Pixia\
pix31te.exe 3700330
files\P\PowerArchiver\
powerarc611.exe 2148823
files\P\PowerPro\
pwrpro41.zip 2671574
files\P\Push That Freakin' Button (PTFB)\
PTFB1064.zip 471277
files\P\PuTTY\
putty.exe 380928
files\P\Python\
python-2.4.msi 10887168
python24.chm 3760412
files\Q\
files\R\
files\R\Ragtime Solo\
RagTime_Solo_565_en.exe 33714146
files\R\Ragtime Solo\Docs\
About_RagTime_5.zip 375251
Formulas_and_Functions.zip 809153
RagTime_5_Reference.zip 1526606
Training_for_Mac_OS_Users.zip 1417666
Training_for_Windows_Users.zip 1449180
files\R\Ranish Partition Manager\
dualboot.pdf 141719
part240.zip 95256
part243.zip 172675
part244.zip 138935
readme.txt 12034
files\R\RegCleaner\
RegCleaner.exe 553687
RegCleanerNoSetup.exe 505897
files\R\ReplaceEm (was BK ReplaceEm)\
bkrep20.exe 585728
bkrepl.zip 423616
files\R\Resource Hacker\
reshack.zip 549907
files\R\RUNit\
runit201.zip 39591
files\S\
files\S\Sam Spade\
spade114.exe 1844806
files\S\Script Defender\
sdefendi.exe 228971
files\S\SharpDevelop\
SharpDevelop_1.0.3.1761_Setup.exe 6072368
files\S\SpaceMonger\
spmn140.zip 105275
files\S\Spybot Search & Destroy\
spybotsd_includes.exe 720151
spybotsd13final.exe 4354084
spybotsd14b1.exe 4442884
spybotsd14b2.exe 4443809
files\S\SuperFormat\
sformat_v27.zip 20498
sformat_v28.zip 35510
files\T\
files\T\TClockEx\
tclockex.exe 467894
tclockex.zip 194464
files\T\The Font Thing\
tft.zip 494048
tfti.zip 1152319
files\T\The Gimp\
gimp-2.2.1-i586-setup.zip 7159131
gimp-gif-1.2.5.zip 17663
gtk+-2.4.14-setup.zip 3370797
files\T\The Gimp\Animations_Package\
gimp-gap-2.0.2-setup.zip 766625
files\T\The Gimp\Help_Files\
gimp-help-2-0.6-setup.zip 9799059
files\T\The Proxomitron\
ProxN45j.exe 1412337
files\T\TightVNC\
tightvnc-1.2.9_x86.zip 691916
tightvnc-1.2.9_x86_viewer.zip 155473
tightvnc-1.2.9-setup.exe 967486
files\T\Total Uninstall\
tun234.zip 810443
files\T\TrackerV3\
trkv360.zip 622447
files\T\TreeCopy\
treecopy.exe 317952
treecopy.zip 292029
files\T\Treepad Lite and Treepad Asia\
tplitelx_complete.tar.gz 2950063
treeasia.zip 477543
treepad.zip 470689
files\U\
files\U\UK's Kalender\
Setup.exe 1192537
files\V\
files\V\VanBasco's Karaoke Player\
vkaraoke.exe 815104
files\V\VirtualDub\
VirtualDub-1.5.10.zip 680660
files\V\Visit URL\
visit.zip 646625
files\V\VNC\
vnc-4.0-x86_win32.exe 743469
vnc-4.0-x86_win32.zip 720051
vnc-4.0-x86_win32_viewer.exe 274432
vnc-4.0-x86_win32_viewer.zip 127354
files\V\VNC\Documentation\
vnc-4.0-documentation.zip 324480
files\W\
files\W\WAssociate\
WAssociate.zip 384744
files\W\Weather Watcher\
WW55BSETUP.EXE 1319063
WW55BUPDATE.EXE 454384
WW56BETA.EXE 1653447
WW56BETAUPDATE.EXE 467398
files\W\WinDriversBackup Personal Edition\
wdrvbck1.exe 2564986
files\W\WinPatrol\
msaardk.exe 1241232
setupde.exe 807198
setupfr.exe 918856
Win95_Users_Notes.txt 831
wpsetup.exe 901984
files\W\WorldTime\
wt552748.zip 4557621
wt600941.exe 2420390
files\X\
files\X\Xenu's Link Sleuth\
XENU.ZIP 518170
files\X\X-Fonter\
X-Fonter-Setup.exe 885301
files\X\Xnews\
TEST.ZIP 597811
xnews.zip 713503
files\X\XnView\
XnView-win.exe 3393518
XnView-win.zip 3282286
XnView-win-full.exe 7061590
XnView-win-full.zip 7710126
XnView-win-small.exe 1332211
XnView-win-small.zip 1089815
files\X\XOSL\
xosl115.zip 447089
xosl115src.zip 332626
files\X\Xplorer²\
xplorer2_lite.zip 803673
files\X\X-Setup Pro (was Xteq X-Setup)\
xqdcxsp-setup-en.zip 4762556
files\X\XXCopy\
xxcopy.zip 251325
files\Y\
files\Y\YahooPOPs! (YPOPs!)\
yahoopops-win-0.6.exe 1182986
files\Y\Yankee Clipper III\
YC3Setup.EXE 1101216
files\Z\
files\Z\ZipGenius\
zg551std.exe 7470327
zg551sui.exe 9536301

SUBTOTAL = 599,660,357 bytes
327 files, 195 folders
What is this for? This is the age of Computers where we verify data
integrity using computer programs designed to do so. Is it possible to
get a valid checksum file and the associated checksum program?
 
S

SYSYPHUS' SISTER

Susan said:
First things first - where did your copy of the CD come from?

downloaded from ______?
mailed by ________?

Susan

I will need to go back in archives and see where the torrent file came
from. Bitch of it all is I have been seeding this for at least 2 days.
Sorry to all of you who have the same woes....

SYSYPHUS' SISTER
 
M

Mel

I downloaded the pl2005cdiso.iso using eMule when, I believe, steven
Burns made it available in that manner.

I burned a cd using CDBurnerxpPro 3 and have spent most of today
checking file sizes, checksums, etc.

I first downloaded the list of files from
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/ftp/2005PL-CD-All-Files.txt. I then
used Directory Lister v0.7.2 to make a list of the files as burned on
CD. I'll admit that I did not check every filesize in the list, but
just enough to satisfy myself that most, at least, were of the correct
size.

I downloaded the MD5 checksum posted to alt.binaries.freeware by Mel and
compared that list of checksums to the CD using md5deep.exe from
md5deep.sourceforge.net.

They matched without a hitch. Two different MD5 generators used by two
different individuals.

All items used by me in this verification are Freeware except the virus
checker, below.

In my estimation this is a verification of the integrity of the original
pl2005cdiso.iso file. At the very least there are two good copies (or,as
is possible, two equally corrupted copies) now available.

Both the pl2005cdiso.iso and the burned CD have been checked for viruses
using eTrustAntivirus with the latest virus definition files. they are
clean.

I would also like to inform the group that I approached Mark Warner in
an e-mail and asked him if he would like any help burning and mailing
CD's. We live less than forty miles apart. He informed me, and
rightfully so, that he had been entrusted with certain mailing addresses
and that he did not think it advisable to share said information. I
have a great deal of respect for Mark and believe that the CD's that he
has provided are as legitimate as they can be.

Roger Patton
Thanks Roger for your efforts verifying the validity of the .iso and/or
CD, I'm sure all the recipients of same will appreciate you efforts too.

Best Regards,
Mel
 
S

Susan Bugher

I will need to go back in archives and see where the torrent file came
from. Bitch of it all is I have been seeding this for at least 2 days.
Sorry to all of you who have the same woes....

Let's skip the identification of the torrent source for the moment.

Since you're only missing 2 folders we should be able to figure out
which ones are missing fairly quickly.

Please post the number of folders you have in each of the 27
alpha-numeric subfolders: 1, A, B, C etc. etc.

When I've compared your info with my copy of the CD it will narrow down
the field down to the subfolders in one or two of the alphanumeric folders.

Susan
 

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