Further reason to hate IE and to use Firefox.

[John Corliss]

I must have the special version of IE that never has this issue.

That must be the case. However, did you read REM's reply? I'll quote it
here:

Don't forget, MS tried to hijack HTML standards.
Looking at "textArea object," there is an attribute, "UNSELECTABLE."

<P>
<SPAN ID="oSpan" UNSELECTABLE="on" >This text cannot be selected.
<P>
<TEXTAREA WRAP="PHYSICAL" ROWS="5" STYLE="font-weight: bold;"
ID="oTextarea">
This text can be selected and overwritten.
</TEXTAREA>
</P>
This text closes the SPAN and cannot be selected either.
</SPAN>
</P>

Standards Information
There is no public standard that applies to this attribute.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author/html/reference/elements.asp

Firefox ignores that attribute entirely.

--
Regards from John Corliss
My current killfile: aafuss, Chrissy Cruiser, Slowhand Hussein, BEN
RITCHEY and others.
No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware,
PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware,
viruses or warez please.

 

[John Corliss]

kenny trolled:

You accuse MS for developing that technology that led to many advancments on
the internet. You are stupid and short sighted to say the least.

Welcome to my killfile.

*PLOINK*

--
John Corliss
My current killfile: aafuss, Chrissy Cruiser, kenny, Slowhand Hussein,
BEN RITCHEY and others.
No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware,
PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware,
viruses or warez please.

 

[Daniel Mandic]

Well, a man known to be "UK's worst spammer" was recently sentenced
to six years in jail. See
http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/listing.lasso?-op=cn&spammer=Peter Fra
ncis-Macrae

That´s a digital picture and cannot ensure originality.

Law needs three positions, yourself are living (or not, who cares) in
four regions of the firmament (heavens). World have the fifth, to
rotate the other four. Placing the Livelyhood (living) on a digital
basis is not possible, forget it.


Crime Photos are always made analog on chemical way (reduce digital
faking to a minimum), maybe not in the States or other weird, states
under the rule of law, but normally yes.
Otherwise, getting six years for spamming is really bad. Here where I
live you get 6 Month driving-license prohibition for killing a
bicycle-driver with the car, though an action act with case of death
could get you also near the six years, maybe a little bit more.
Who was this Bastard, which gave this spammer six years of jail. Sure
nobody I want to know of.

Also, "Russia's biggest spammer", Vardan Kushnir, was found this year
after having his head subjected to massive blunt violence. I was
unable to find a photo of him, though.

Apart from that, a lot of spammers are known and has been for quite
some time. A big problem so far has been that a lot of countries have
not had laws that enables them to act upon spammers.

Thanks God, that it is so. How (on which basis) would you indicate a
violent (physically non-damaging) Internet-act. I.e. someone in China
attacks (electronically) someone in France. Death penalty? Other side,
he or she would get "maybe" a fine, or just being admonished. Huh.




Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[John Corliss]

John Corliss wrote:



Your original inference was that IE was defective,

Not at all. My original inference was that it was designed with features
that are not to my advantage and which limit me for no discernable reason.

thus your assertion
was not validated. You are simply whining
?

because some web authors
choose to protect their content using HTML attributes. If you don't
like protected content, simply move on. There are billions of
unprotected web pages out in cyberspace.

Perhaps you didn't read my OP. In it I said "but often one can't save a
web page (for instance, a "printable view" of a Yahoo email in your
account)", by which I meant that I was trying to save an email from my
own Yahoo account in its original form. I was unable to do so until I
opened the page in Firefox.

If you don't refrain from addressing me with offensive terms, you are
going to find yourself on my list.

Grow up.

--
John Corliss
My current killfile: aafuss, Chrissy Cruiser, Slowhand Hussein, BEN
RITCHEY and others.
No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware,
PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware,
viruses or warez please.

 

[Dan]

If you don't refrain from addressing me with offensive terms, you are
going to find yourself on my list.

Add me to your list, felcher boy.

 

[John Corliss]

I have just one thing to say, John: Nonsense. Except that I would phrase it
more strenuously.

(1) One of the standard items on the IE toolbar is "copy", which copies
whatever is currently highlighted.

That didn't work for me. Period. And I tried it several times.

(2) A standard function available through the file menu is "Save As". This
lets you save a page as plain text, as html, as html with all grpahics saved
to a subfolder and links corrected appropriately, or in a proprietary "mht"
format which embeds the graphics and html into a single file. I archive
useful info from the web all the time.

I'm the first to admit that not everything MS does is engraved on clay
tablets from God, but if you're going to criticise a product - from
anyone -use facts, not prejudice.

What the hell are you talking about, Mike? Are you calling me a liar? I
composed that OP immediately after experiencing exactly what I
described. There is a remote chance though, I will admit, that my copy
of IE is corrupted somehow. On the other hand, I doubt that very much.

--
Regards from John Corliss
My current killfile: aafuss, Chrissy Cruiser, kenny, Slowhand Hussein,
BEN RITCHEY and others.
No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware,
PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware,
viruses or warez please.

 

[John Corliss]

Morten Skarstad wrote:




A web author using this attribute to protect content does not mean that
IE is defective as Mr Corliss would like us to believe.

Ahem. I never said or implied that IE was defective. In fact, why don't
we just quote my OP here:

Is it just me, or does anybody else notice that often you can't select
and copy text from a website in IE, but can go to that same website in
Firefox and then be allowed to do so?

Not only that, but often one can't save a web page (for instance, a
"printable view" of a Yahoo email in your account) when viewing it
through IE. I always can do this easily in Firefox though.

Egad... I really do dislike Internet Explorer. Just wish that ActiveX
other such proprietary shinanigans would die a well deserved death.

Show me where I said or implied that IE was "defective".

Oh.. what's that? You CAN'T?

All I did was simply to state facts. In fact, I actually asked if others
were experiencing the same problems.

I have a right not to like IE and I exercise that right. That's just the
way it is.

--
John Corliss
My current killfile: aafuss, Chrissy Cruiser, kenny, Slowhand Hussein,
BEN RITCHEY and others.
No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware,
PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware,
viruses or warez please.

 

[John Corliss]

John,

FF is getting more usable, but there are still way too many web pages that
don't render correctly. When I can use FF and only FF, I will rip IE out of
the OS and switch.

Meanwhile, IE can be configured to be plenty secure, at the cost of nice
features. I guess there's always going to be a convenience vs. security
compromise, no matter what browser you use.

Bob,
I agree that this is the unfortunate situation for all of us.
However, everybody knows that when you disable ActiveX, IE dogs you with
warnings about how a page isn't going to render correctly if that page
uses ActiveX. Did Microsoft think to make such warnings optional? Of
course they did. So why didn't they do so? Because they wanted to shove
ActiveX down everybody's collective throats. Now it's coming back to
bite them on the ass.

--
Regards from John Corliss
My current killfile: aafuss, Chrissy Cruiser, kenny, Slowhand Hussein,
BEN RITCHEY and others.
No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware,
PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware,
viruses or warez please.

 

[Dan]

I will admit, that my copy of IE is corrupted somehow.

There's your problem, Johnny. Now if you could've stated that in the
beginning, a lot of bandwidth could have been spared.

 

[Daniel Mandic]

I have a right not to like IE and I exercise that right. That's just
the way it is.

Hi John!



And your left (Internet User prefer the Acronym "Link") is Linux and
Freeware (etc). Do I get it right?

Otherwise (as a MS User) it would be pure paranoid, wishing MS´s IE a
long well deserved death.




Kind Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[Dan]

Look, you just called me a "luser". How would YOU like to be referred
to in that manner? How would YOU respond?

Apparently you have self-esteem issues, John.

 

[CharlieDontSurf]

Don't forget, MS tried to hijack HTML standards.

Looking at "textArea object," there is an attribute, "UNSELECTABLE."

While there are certainly myriad examples of Microsoft perfidy, that
really isn't one of them. Nonstandard attributes like "unselectable" are
from the wooly days when the W3C was playing catchup and *everyone* was
larding their browsers with proprietary markup. Back then, Netscape was
actually worse about it than Microsoft. Really, you can spend all day
digging up legacy attempts to "hijack HTML", but the current trend is
toward conformance to browser standards, including MS.

 

[elaich]

All I can say is, that IE is IMO the best, fastest, most reliable,
multi-NORm Browser.

Firefox loads web pages at least twice as fast as IE on my computer. And
has for over a year.

Firefox 1.0.7, IE 6 SP1. IE is slow as molasses.

 

[David]

Operating as designed = nondefective.

Non-standards compliant == defective.
--
David
Remove "farook" to reply
At the bottom of the application where it says
"sign here". I put "Sagittarius"
E-mail: justdas at iinet dot net dot au

 

[Vrodok the Troll]

Non-standards compliant == defective.

a.k.a. "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish"?

 

[Rili]

Firefox is a great browser if you don't view 100s of web pages in a day
or leave it open for a week as a lot of people who need a browser for
work do. If you do view hundreds of pages and leave it open for a week
then you must close ALL windows as it's memory consumption just
continues to grow until it is extremely slow and unusable Closing all
windows can be a real pain for me as quite often I need at 15 open to do
with the type of work that I'm doing and since the windows are session
based I can't bookmark them

As discussed here

http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/25/1817215

Sorry if this has already been covered.

 

[Bob Adkins]

Firefox loads web pages at least twice as fast as IE on my computer. And
has for over a year.

Proof that love is blind.

 

[John Corliss]

Apparently you have self-esteem issues, John.

And you are a troll. Goodbye.

--
John Corliss
My current killfile: aafuss, Chrissy Cruiser, Slowhand Hussein, BEN
RITCHEY and others.
Generally speaking, if I don't respond to somebody who is acting
immaturely, it's because I've killfiled them.

No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware,
PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware,
viruses or warez please.

 

[John Corliss]

Hi John!

And your left (Internet User prefer the Acronym "Link") is Linux and
Freeware (etc). Do I get it right?

Otherwise (as a MS User) it would be pure paranoid, wishing MS´s IE a
long well deserved death.

Daniel,
I've ordered another hard drive and will be installing Linux on it.
In the mean time, I will continue to use Windows because Linux is an
option that takes work and dedication to get into.

--
Regards from John Corliss
My current killfile: aafuss, Chrissy Cruiser, Slowhand Hussein, BEN
RITCHEY and others.
Generally speaking, if I don't respond to somebody who is acting
immaturely, it's because I've killfiled them.

No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware,
PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware,
viruses or warez please.

 

[John Corliss]

Firefox is a great browser if you don't view 100s of web pages in a day
or leave it open for a week as a lot of people who need a browser for
work do.

Well, that describes me.

If you do view hundreds of pages and leave it open for a week
then you must close ALL windows as it's memory consumption just
continues to grow until it is extremely slow and unusable Closing all
windows can be a real pain for me as quite often I need at 15 open to do
with the type of work that I'm doing and since the windows are session
based I can't bookmark them

Have you tried the tabbed browsing feature? I open up 12 tabs at the
same time every day. When I check my resources, there is no appreciable hit.

As discussed here

http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/25/1817215

Sorry if this has already been covered.

Looks to me like there are plans to deal with this issue.

Also, I have to wonder if Firefox behaves this way in Linux. There is no
way to verify how much of MS's Windows code is actually released to
other software developers. In other words, competitors have to live in
Microsoft's unheated "guest shed."

--
Regards from John Corliss
My current killfile: aafuss, Chrissy Cruiser, Slowhand Hussein, BEN
RITCHEY and others.
Generally speaking, if I don't respond to somebody who is acting
immaturely, it's because I've killfiled them.

No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware,
PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware,
viruses or warez please.