Further reason to hate IE and to use Firefox.

[Dan]

Come on! He knows the difference.
Usually on a graphic, the context-menu will ask to "Save image",
"Save Image as", "View Image", "Copy Image location" and so on.

Funny I have never had that problem. I use both IE and Firefox, by the
way. Sounds like luser error to me.

 

[John Corliss]

How can one "hate" a pice of software?

Uh.... you just do it? Or if you prefer, I can use the term "detest".

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PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware,
viruses or warez please.

 

[John Corliss]

I have never had a problem. In the instances where you can't, you
might be selecting a graphic with text in it.

No, that isn't the case. As proof, I notice that I am able to select
(word by word if I like) but not copy. Besides, I'm not so inexperienced
as to make that mistake.

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No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware,
PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware,
viruses or warez please.

 

[John Corliss]

Funny I have never had that problem. I use both IE and Firefox, by the
way. Sounds like luser error to me.

From the Wikipedia, the following definition:

"In Internet slang, a luser is a painfully annoying, stupid, or
irritating computer user."

Why would you make such an offensive remark? Do you know me? What have I
done that would make you refer to me in such a manner?

--
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My current killfile: aafuss, Chrissy Cruiser, Slowhand Hussein, BEN
RITCHEY and others.
No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware,
PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware,
viruses or warez please.

 

[John Corliss]

I use Prefbar, jacaranda, but have never needed to turn off javacript to
copy text because I use the Options setting that >>Q<< refers to.

Besides, as I said, my problem has been copying text in Internet
Explorer, not Firefox.

You can leave javascript enabled. To permanently stop scripts from
disabling the right-click menu, it's Tools » Options » Web Features
» the 'advanced' button next to JavaScript » uncheck the box for
'Disable or replace context menus'. I thought it was unchecked by
default.

It never got a chance to fool me, >>Q<<. Changing this setting was one
of the first things I did when I switched from Mozilla to Firefox; I
went through every single one of the options settings and noticed that one.

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RITCHEY and others.
No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware,
PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware,
viruses or warez please.

 

[REM]

John Corliss <[email protected]> wrote:

Is it just me, or does anybody else notice that often you can't select
and copy text from a website in IE, but can go to that same website in
Firefox and then be allowed to do so?

Don't forget, MS tried to hijack HTML standards.

Looking at "textArea object," there is an attribute, "UNSELECTABLE."


<P>
<SPAN ID="oSpan" UNSELECTABLE="on" >This text cannot be selected.
<P>
<TEXTAREA WRAP="PHYSICAL" ROWS="5" STYLE="font-weight: bold;"
ID="oTextarea">
This text can be selected and overwritten.
</TEXTAREA>
</P>
This text closes the SPAN and cannot be selected either.
</SPAN>
</P>


Standards Information

There is no public standard that applies to this attribute.


http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author/html/reference/elements.asp

 

[David]

Your OS ?

Innovative? Copied from other sources more likely.
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[David]

Windows.

Useful?
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[David]

Which part -- the OS or the GUI?

Yes.
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[David]

Single player card games?

Not an innovation.
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[Vrodok the Troll]

Don't forget, MS tried to hijack HTML standards.

Looking at "textArea object," there is an attribute, "UNSELECTABLE."


<P>
<SPAN ID="oSpan" UNSELECTABLE="on" >This text cannot be selected.
<P>
<TEXTAREA WRAP="PHYSICAL" ROWS="5" STYLE="font-weight: bold;"
ID="oTextarea">
This text can be selected and overwritten.
</TEXTAREA>
</P>
This text closes the SPAN and cannot be selected either.
</SPAN>
</P>


Standards Information

There is no public standard that applies to this attribute.


http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author/html/reference/elements.asp

~!@#$%^&*!!!

 

[John Corliss]

Don't forget, MS tried to hijack HTML standards.
Looking at "textArea object," there is an attribute, "UNSELECTABLE."

<P>
<SPAN ID="oSpan" UNSELECTABLE="on" >This text cannot be selected.
<P>
<TEXTAREA WRAP="PHYSICAL" ROWS="5" STYLE="font-weight: bold;"
ID="oTextarea">
This text can be selected and overwritten.
</TEXTAREA>
</P>
This text closes the SPAN and cannot be selected either.
</SPAN>
</P>

Standards Information

There is no public standard that applies to this attribute.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author/html/reference/elements.asp

Ha ha! And what irony that this proof of standards non-compliancy is at
a Microsoft site.

Thanks very much for your help and for providing this proof, REM! It
goes right along with my remark "Just wish that ActiveX other such
proprietary shinanigans would die a well deserved death."

--
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My current killfile: aafuss, Chrissy Cruiser, Slowhand Hussein, BEN
RITCHEY and others.
No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware,
PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware,
viruses or warez please.

 

[R_Green]

Innovative? Copied from other sources more likely.
--

Well, where is ten the innovation of the superdupergreat linux os? or the
supergretspecial mozilla?

 

[kenny]

I use avantbrowser that uses the IE engine but enhances the GUI, and that
lets me easily turn off activex or other things that may be a threat or turn
them on when I need them. I have firefox also on my pc....and opera, and
mozilla, and netscape and maxthon.. .and......

But avantbrowser with IE engine is far superior than FF.

As for security all you say is rubbish! There are sites now that focus on
attacking FF, and it was even more popular that would even be more
commonplace.

Any broswser who has 90% of the users would be focused on by the spyware -
malware virus creators.

 

[kenny]

many people who are famous for inventions and discoveries did NOT make them
first..... they just did it better or could prove their findings.

MS is the big and ugly winner whether you like it or not.

 

[Mike Bourke]

Is it just me, or does anybody else notice that often you can't select
and copy text from a website in IE, but can go to that same website in
Firefox and then be allowed to do so?

Not only that, but often one can't save a web page (for instance, a
"printable view" of a Yahoo email in your account) when viewing it
through IE. I always can do this easily in Firefox though.

I have just one thing to say, John: Nonsense. Except that I would phrase it
more strenuously.

(1) One of the standard items on the IE toolbar is "copy", which copies
whatever is currently highlighted.

(2) A standard function available through the file menu is "Save As". This
lets you save a page as plain text, as html, as html with all grpahics saved
to a subfolder and links corrected appropriately, or in a proprietary "mht"
format which embeds the graphics and html into a single file. I archive
useful info from the web all the time.

I'm the first to admit that not everything MS does is engraved on clay
tablets from God, but if you're going to criticise a product - from
anyone -use facts, not prejudice.

Mike Bourke

 

[kenny]

Active X was a fantastic technology born in a time where hackers were
scarce.

MS had good ideas... then after several years newage brat 18 year old
hackers came along and ruined everything.

No MS could not see into the future and know how evil users would become.

You do not accuse the hackers.

You accuse MS for developing that technology that led to many advancments on
the internet. You are stupid and short sighted to say the least.

Now that MS knows the threats it will improve security and all the problems
will be solved.

It does not matter how much you whine.. IE7 will be out WITH activeX and you
will have all your time to cry about it.

 

[Harvey Van Sickle]

On 27 Nov 2005, kenny wrote

Active X was a fantastic technology born in a time where
hackers were scarce.

MS had good ideas... then after several years newage brat 18
year old hackers came along and ruined everything.

No MS could not see into the future and know how evil users
would become.

I don't have a dog in this race, but you seem to be suggesting that
MS was a naive company, which is pretty patronising towards the
firm.

Internet misuse and evil users have been around for a long time.
Implementing Active X strikes me as a straightforward cost/benefit,
corporate decision that the risks were worth the price, given what
they wanted to achieve with the OS.

I don't think MS was cavalier in this -- it was a reasonable
decision given what they were trying to achieve -- but painting
them as some sort of virgin bride who couldn't forecast the future
of Internet usage (a central part of the company's job) insults the
considerable corporate savviness and brainpower in that company.

 

[Bob Adkins]

Is it just me, or does anybody else notice that often you can't select
and copy text from a website in IE, but can go to that same website in
Firefox and then be allowed to do so?

Not only that, but often one can't save a web page (for instance, a
"printable view" of a Yahoo email in your account) when viewing it
through IE. I always can do this easily in Firefox though.

Egad... I really do dislike Internet Explorer. Just wish that ActiveX
other such proprietary shinanigans would die a well deserved death.

John,

FF is getting more usable, but there are still way too many web pages that
don't render correctly. When I can use FF and only FF, I will rip IE out of
the OS and switch.

Meanwhile, IE can be configured to be plenty secure, at the cost of nice
features. I guess there's always going to be a convenience vs. security
compromise, no matter what browser you use.

 

[Bob Adkins]

I don't have a dog in this race, but you seem to be suggesting that
MS was a naive company, which is pretty patronising towards the
firm.

Internet misuse and evil users have been around for a long time.
Implementing Active X strikes me as a straightforward cost/benefit,
corporate decision that the risks were worth the price, given what
they wanted to achieve with the OS.

I don't think MS was cavalier in this -- it was a reasonable
decision given what they were trying to achieve -- but painting
them as some sort of virgin bride who couldn't forecast the future
of Internet usage (a central part of the company's job) insults the
considerable corporate savviness and brainpower in that company.

Now Harvey, there you go trying to confuse us with facts and clear logic
again.

~~~

One man's "high jacking" is another man's "leadership".