Further reason to hate IE and to use Firefox.

[Morten Skarstad]

Ackkk! Why would anybody install IE if they were using Linux I
wonder? 80)>

Testing purposes, I guess. A webdesigner has to take into account all the
possible end user variations (OS, browser, screen resolution, installed
plugins and extensions, security settings etc) when designing something
supposed to be reachable by the masses. And as we all know Microsoft is not
very good at following standards, not even their own. So a webpage can look
and function radically different not only on different browsers, but on
different versions of IE, even down to different service packs and patch
levels. For instance, a page can work just fine under IE 5.0 and 6.0, but
break spectacularly under IE 5.5.

So if you want to make sure something works under all the versions of IE
without resorting to multiple OS installations (multiple computers,
multibooting or virtual computers) being able to install multiple IEs under
Linux can be very useful.

Of course, all this would not be necessary if IEs market share was somewhat
closer to 0%. Or if IE didn't suck.

 

[Morten Skarstad]

One of the main reason I use it for is for tabbed browsing, simply
excellent, so excellent that IE had to incorporate this in IE7. If you
were to use task manager or process explorer to display all of the
memory columns (virtual, working and private) you would slowly see
virtual memory grow and grow and grow. I restart it when it gets to
around 800Mb or larger.

Unfortunately, I need to open hundreds of web pages over the course of
the week, so firefox starts to become quite slow

Have you tried Opera, then? Does it have the same problem, or other
significant flaws which prevents it from being useful to you? I personally
like both FF and O (both very much preferred to IE), and have somewhat
alternated between the two as my default browser. FF is very flexible and
extensible, while O in my experience feels much more smooth working out of
the box without any (major) tweaking. They both support tabs. They both
support saving sessions (FF via extensions), meaning that you can shut down
your browser, and when you reopen it you are right back when you left off
with all the sites and pages you had open when you closed. Opera also has
(IMO) the most user friendly and intuitive navigation of any browser I have
tested. When you get used to mouse gestures (OK, FF has these through
extensions, but they're implemented nowhere near this good) and the
single-key left hand keyboard shortcuts, Opera just feels like a natural
extension of your body. All other browsers (including FF) will feel like
driving a brick by comparison.

And guess what, Opera even became adfree just recently, putting it right on
topic for this groups )

 

[Rili]

It's unfortunate that Firefox can't meet your specialized needs. Maybe
someday though...

In my case however, I flush the cache after every use, turn off my
computer when I'm not sitting at it. I even have a batch file which
deltrees the cache and certain files, and I run it often. Maybe that's
more reason why I've never experienced the problems you describe.

There is no way that the memory can be released unless you close ALL
firefox windows and then start from scratch Browsing large numbers of
webpages that contain lots of images will cause firefox to slowly grind
to a halt

But, because firefox is such a good browser (apart from this one massive
design flaw), I will probably stick with it.

 

[John Corliss]

Testing purposes, I guess. A webdesigner has to take into account all the
possible end user variations (OS, browser, screen resolution, installed
plugins and extensions, security settings etc) when designing something
supposed to be reachable by the masses. And as we all know Microsoft is not
very good at following standards, not even their own. So a webpage can look
and function radically different not only on different browsers, but on
different versions of IE, even down to different service packs and patch
levels. For instance, a page can work just fine under IE 5.0 and 6.0, but
break spectacularly under IE 5.5.

So if you want to make sure something works under all the versions of IE
without resorting to multiple OS installations (multiple computers,
multibooting or virtual computers) being able to install multiple IEs under
Linux can be very useful.

Thank you for pointing this out. It should have occurred to me without
your having to do so.

Of course, all this would not be necessary if IEs market share was somewhat
closer to 0%. Or if IE didn't suck.

LOL. Yup. Let's hope IE 7 is a vast improvement. One thing I'd like to
see is for it not to nag you to death if you turn off ActiveX.

--
Regards from John Corliss
My current killfile: aafuss, Chrissy Cruiser, Slowhand Hussein, BEN
RITCHEY and others.
Generally speaking, if I don't respond to somebody who is acting
immaturely, it's because I've killfiled them.

No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware,
PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware,
viruses or warez please.

 

[dszady]

Darryl,
Ackkk! Why would anybody install IE if they were using Linux I wonder?
80)>

Hi John,
Long time, no troll
Yes, I would like to see IE 5.0x to 6.0x because I don't have access to
IE except on Pammy's machine (IE6 SP2).
Anyway OT, if you need webspace to publish the "troll directory", no
problem.
I don't come here too often because my temper is probably shorter than
your's. My ISP called me an abberent customer

 

[John Corliss]

Hi John,
Long time, no troll
Yes, I would like to see IE 5.0x to 6.0x because I don't have access to
IE except on Pammy's machine (IE6 SP2).
Anyway OT, if you need webspace to publish the "troll directory", no
problem.

Heh. It's long gone now.

I don't come here too often because my temper is probably shorter than
your's. My ISP called me an abberent customer

Long as you've still got an account. 80)>

By the way, Morten Skarstad gave a good answer to my question. However,
when I start in with Linux (my new hard drive is supposed to arrive
today), I won't be doing any web developing so there'll be no IE on it.
On the other hand, I ran a live CD of some distro (might have been the
Knoppix one) and IIRC was able to get IE to run under Wine once.

--
Regards from John Corliss
I don't reply to trolls and other such idiots. No adware, cdware,
commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware, PROmotionware,
shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware, viruses or warez
please.

 

[Bob Adkins]

Of course, all this would not be necessary if IEs market share was somewhat
closer to 0%. Or if IE didn't suck.

If MS and Mozilla closed up every security hole in IE and FF, I don't think
the users would be happy with the result. You would have a product that was
severely limited and hard to use.

If MS changed IE and made it EXACTLY like the FireFox fans wanted it, they
STILL wouldn't like it.

I ran across a really funny article about FF today.

http://www.populartechnology.net/

 

[Sietse Fliege]

when you disable ActiveX, IE dogs you
with warnings about how a page isn't going to render correctly if
that page uses ActiveX.

Maybe AutoClose is an option for you (9KB)

http://www.frankisoft.com/

"whenever IE loads an ActiveX object, it pops up a message box stating that
'Your current security settings prohibit running ActiveX controls on this
page. As a result, the page may not display correctly.' Then, it stops doing
anything until you close the message box.
There is no way to prevent or disable the display of this annoying message
box. All you have to do is close it manually.

Solution
AutoClose does the job for you. Whenever the annoying message box pops up,
AutoClose clicks the OK button on behalf of you and lets IE continue loading
your desired web page."

 

[John Corliss]

Maybe AutoClose is an option for you (9KB)

http://www.frankisoft.com/

"whenever IE loads an ActiveX object, it pops up a message box stating that
'Your current security settings prohibit running ActiveX controls on this
page. As a result, the page may not display correctly.' Then, it stops doing
anything until you close the message box.
There is no way to prevent or disable the display of this annoying message
box. All you have to do is close it manually.

Solution
AutoClose does the job for you. Whenever the annoying message box pops up,
AutoClose clicks the OK button on behalf of you and lets IE continue loading
your desired web page."

Geez Sietse, I posted that one back in November! However, my policy is
to use IE mainly for Windows Update and Firefox for almost everything
else. That way I can leave signed ActiveX turned on and not worry on
those few occasions that I do use IE.

Works for me!

--
Regards from John Corliss
I don't reply to trolls and other such idiots. No adware, cdware,
commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware, PROmotionware,
shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware, viruses or warez
please.

 

[SLLD]

Sure is a lot of hate out there for the system that is used by over 90
percent of the world....
I also noticed they are on WM as to how sorry and greedy they are
Must be lonely at the top....
Is there anything good about either or anything?
SLLD
PS yes I know how sorry I am because I top post
WE all have opinions and I have just expressed mine
as you did yours.

 

[Bill Turner]

I've bottom posted for years because the consensus was that's the
right thing to do. I've heard every argument possible on both sides
and finally decided top posting is best. The hated Microsoft was right
in this case, IMO.

Bill T.
Reformed bottom poster

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[Duddits]

PS yes I know how sorry I am because I top post

*poof*

 

[Jeff Needle]

My compromise: I post according to how the previous poster posted. I'm
top posting now. My preference: top posting. Why? I can tell right
away whether I've read the comment yet or not. I don't have to scroll
through every message to see what the comment is -- it's right there.

 

[Klaatu]

My compromise: I post according to how the previous poster posted. I'm
top posting now. My preference: top posting. Why? I can tell right
away whether I've read the comment yet or not. I don't have to scroll
through every message to see what the comment is -- it's right there.

Now, if all you top posters would be so kind as to reply in this thread, it
makes it so much easier to killfile you all from one place. Keep up the
good work!

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

Now, if all you top posters would be so kind as to reply in this
thread, it makes it so much easier to killfile you all from one
place. Keep up the good work!

This list is a bit old, and some of these posters may not be around any
more or may have changed their From headers. But FWIW, these are ones
who either said explicitly that they would top-post or just ignored
requests to stop.

[^alt\.comp\.freeware]

% scoring down top-posters
Score:: -5000
From: jackru\$\$ell2@notmail\.com
From: mingol@adelphia\.net
From: not@home\.com
From: nospam@somewhere\.com
From: pilche@planet\.com
From: enomis@rileyindustries\.com
From: peccatte@wanadoo\.fr
From: amarks@austarnet\.com\.au
From: hitchhiker49@sbcglobal\.net
From: LordPossum@Yahoo\.Com
From: karolus@NOSPAMcomcast\.netNOSPAM
From: mattyrobinson69@microsoftscrappywebmailserver\.com
From: bounceitback@spammers\.net
From: paul\.woodsford\*\*\*\*NOSPAMPLEASE\*\*\*\*@virgin\.net
From: bounceitback@spammers\.net
From: dd1945@hotmail\.com
From: jamesrbyrd@spamlesscomcast\.net
From: kiweed@nowhere\.invalid
From: status@rtdos\.info
From: jimnluna@ispspam\.com
From: Bill\sTurner
From: Jeff\sNeedle
From: \bSLLD\b

 

[Klaatu]

This list is a bit old, and some of these posters may not be around any
more or may have changed their From headers. But FWIW, these are ones
who either said explicitly that they would top-post or just ignored
requests to stop.

Thanks »Q«. It's always good to be able to knock these people out in one
go. I don't try to fight with them about it anymore; I don't care why they
do it, I just don't want to see it, and a killfile gives me that luxury.

Killfiling is the least they deserve, and I'm happy to oblige.

HAND

 

[John Corliss]

Sure is a lot of hate out there for the system that is used by over 90
percent of the world....

As my dear old mother used to say, "If everybody else was eating dog
poop and it still smelled like dog poop and tasted like dog poop, would
you start eating dog poop too?"

Regardless, don't confuse caution with hatred. ActiveX is a HUGE
security risk and most people know it. And the irony is that it doesn't
really do anything that can't be done using some other method.

I also noticed they are on WM as to how sorry and greedy they are
Must be lonely at the top....

Don't have a clue what that means.

Is there anything good about either or anything?
SLLD
PS yes I know how sorry I am because I top post

??? I don't see any top posting here.

WE all have opinions and I have just expressed mine
as you did yours.

Opinions are like hemorroids, sooner or later every (etc.)

 

[John Fitzsimons]

This list is a bit old, and some of these posters may not be around any
more or may have changed their From headers. But FWIW, these are ones
who either said explicitly that they would top-post or just ignored
requests to stop.

< snip >

Very handy. Every now and then I find myself giving help to a top
poster before I realise who they are and cancel my reply. That list
should be a help.

 

[Gary R. Schmidt]

My compromise: I post according to how the previous poster posted. I'm
top posting now. My preference: top posting. Why? I can tell right
away whether I've read the comment yet or not. I don't have to scroll
through every message to see what the comment is -- it's right there.

Well, if the top-posters would at least learn to trim the junk from
their messages, they might be tolerable.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

 

[Bill Turner]

My reasoning too, especially with how many people have no concept of
how to trim a message. They just quote hundreds of lines of text and
add their one line at the bottom. Top posting solves that.

Bill T.


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