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Blue
BillW50 said:
And why don't you ask about this in a Thunderbird news group? The signs
on the door here are Windows XP, 7 and 8.
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And why don't you ask about this in a Thunderbird news group? The signs
on the door here are Windows XP, 7 and 8.
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BillW50
Blue said:And why don't you ask about this in a Thunderbird news group? The
signs on the door here are Windows XP, 7 and 8.
I have. Last question I posted was why does Firefox v28/29 only work as
a Metro App only on my touch screen machine and not on my other two
non-touch machines? Nobody knows? Many of them also leave questions and
nobody knows anything to help them either. Unless you have a very simple
question that most people know about, nothing is probably going to
happen there.
Anyway I was replying to Char's question concerning Thunderbird. And
this Thunderbird problem even goes back since the beginning. And
apparently if it hasn't been fixed in all of this time, it probably is
never going to be fixed.
K
Ken Springer
Actually I believe cause and effect is enough reason to dump it without
finding out the real cause. Like the old joke "Doc, it hurts when I do
this!" And I haven't really investigated what Thunderbird is actually
doing to freeze up suddenly in my case. My latest theory is it might be
indexing my IMAP accounts. And it is most annoying while I am composing
a message. As it stops showing keystrokes and when it unfreezes some of
the last keystrokes can be totally lost (probably because the keyboard
buffer overflowed).
Bill, I don't know if this will help you do try to track down what is
happening, but I have the same typo issues here, on this Mac. TB 24,
I've stopped updating TB and Firefox. But I do not have any IMAP
accounts, all my email accounts are POP3.
Myself, I'm about to buy the latest Office for Mac, and go back to
Outlook. I like HTML email, everyone I know uses it, as most use
webmail. Too many issues with HTML composing, and those issues have
just become too frustrating.
My temporary fix is to copy and paste to another editor. And it doesn't
matter what other editor, Notepad, WordPad, WordStar, Word, etc. and the
rest shows every keystroke and never drops characters. Regardless
whether Thunderbird is currently frozen or not. It only happens under
Thunderbird and nothing else. So the solution seems pretty clear to me.
Don't use Thunderbird or at least use another editor and the major
problem is gone.
--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 24.0
Thunderbird 24.0
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Blue
BillW50 said:I have. Last question I posted was why does Firefox v28/29 only work as
a Metro App only on my touch screen machine and not on my other two
non-touch machines? Nobody knows? Many of them also leave questions and
nobody knows anything to help them either. Unless you have a very simple
question that most people know about, nothing is probably going to
happen there.
Anyway I was replying to Char's question concerning Thunderbird. And
this Thunderbird problem even goes back since the beginning. And
apparently if it hasn't been fixed in all of this time, it probably is
never going to be fixed.
I wonder why my install of Thunderbird doesn't do that on five machines.
I have it on Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows XP and Linux Netrunner and it
works just fine on all of them. My experience with the Mozilla
Thunderbird news group is that it's inhabited by very savvy users.
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BillW50
Blue said:I wonder why my install of Thunderbird doesn't do that on five
machines. I have it on Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows XP and Linux
Netrunner and it works just fine on all of them. My experience with
the Mozilla Thunderbird news group is that it's inhabited by very
savvy users.
Yes, I have also heard stories like yours before. And if it is true and
I am not saying it is not, then something is different. I use IMAP,
newsgroups, and no POP3 accounts. I also read posts in another window,
some doesn't do that either and just use a pane view to do so.
As for Mozilla newsgroups, I don't doubt most of them are sawy users.
But some of us only ask questions about the really tough stuff. And that
could be difficult for even the best of them.
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Blue
BillW50 said:Yes, I have also heard stories like yours before. And if it is true and
I am not saying it is not, then something is different. I use IMAP,
newsgroups, and no POP3 accounts. I also read posts in another window,
some doesn't do that either and just use a pane view to do so.
As for Mozilla newsgroups, I don't doubt most of them are sawy users.
But some of us only ask questions about the really tough stuff. And that
could be difficult for even the best of them.
Sounds like you don't want a solution. I use imap, POP3, HTML mail and
open new windows to compose or read and don't have your problems. Are
you saying that TB doesn't work properly on all of your 30+ machines? I
would suspect an add on. Have you tried running TB in safe mode?
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BillW50
Bill, I don't know if this will help you do try to track down what is
happening, but I have the same typo issues here, on this Mac. TB 24,
I've stopped updating TB and Firefox. But I do not have any IMAP
accounts, all my email accounts are POP3.
Myself, I'm about to buy the latest Office for Mac, and go back to
Outlook. I like HTML email, everyone I know uses it, as most use
webmail. Too many issues with HTML composing, and those issues have
just become too frustrating.
Thanks Ken. You gave me an idea. I just killed all of my email accounts
with this Thunderbird (don't worry, I will restore from a backup) and I
am testing it now (after I closed it and reopened it just in case). And
so far, everything is working really great!
Heck I just checked Process Lasso's logs and whenever Thunderbird
freezes, Process Lasso bitches about it in the logs. And so far, so
good. ;-)
Oh darn, it just happened again. Well it appears it has nothing to do
with email accounts, whether POP3 or IMAP. I'm just going to be away for
a few hours and I'll recheck the logs when I get back.
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s|b
I have an even better computer. i7-4770 @3.40 GHz with 32 GB RAM.
Thunderbird is slow as hell, at least 5 times a day it totally freezes.
TB runs just fine. Specs in the sig... (Windows and other software is
installed on a SSD.)
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Silver Slimer
I am, but I find it annoying to have to fix it for each message.
Besides, the filtering function in WLM is awful.
S
Silver Slimer
It isn't rocket science. All you have to do and open up the Task Manager
and see what all of the processes are doing with the CPU. I also run
Process Lasso and it logs processes, which ones that hogs the processor.
And both Thunderbird and Firefox are usually the only ones in the log
for days.
So you're confirming that both are bloated pieces of crap.
J
Juan Wei
BillW50 has written on 2/19/2014 5:42 PM:
Two questions:
1) Where is this log?
2) Why are you using the portable version? I do not believe that it is
supported by Mozilla.
Okay here is the log and it is really easy to understand. Every two is a
pair and that is when Thunderbird freezes. I wasn't here during this
time and had Thunderbird (all email accounts deleted and only newsgroups
left on this copy), Firefox (10 tabs opened), Explorer (in a folder that
isn't changing anything), and Word (just idling) opened. And I left them
all minimized.
Two questions:
1) Where is this log?
2) Why are you using the portable version? I do not believe that it is
supported by Mozilla.
J
Juan Wei
Silver Slimer has written on 2/19/2014 5:29 PM:
And you're confirming that you're a rude, opinionated child!
So you're confirming that both are bloated pieces of crap.
And you're confirming that you're a rude, opinionated child!
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Paul
BillW50 said:Oh man! I see what you are trying to do! You are trying to get me
involved to figure out this 8 year old problem that nobody else seems to yet.
Well, what else do you have to do ? You've got the
groceries, done the laundry, and now you're sitting
in front of that computer. Shouldn't be hard to figure
out.
Paul
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BillW50
Juan Wei said:BillW50 has written on 2/19/2014 5:42 PM:
Two questions:
1) Where is this log?
I mentioned earlier today that Process Lasso logs applications that want
to misbehave and wants to hog the processor. Process Lasso defaults to
wanting to tame it down so the rest of Windows still operates normally.
But if anything you want Process Lasso to butt out, you can do that too.
Currently I have Process Lasso set to leave Thunderbird alone if it is
in the foreground, otherwise restrict CPU use if it is in the
background. So the time Thunderbird is frozen in that log is a bit
longer than if it was in the foreground (but not by much).
2) Why are you using the portable version? I do not believe that it is
supported by Mozilla.
I actually used both and the only limitation I have found in all of
these years is that the portable version can't import anything from
other programs. Otherwise I never noticed any difference. And I like the
portable version (running it from drive C) is it is so very easy to
backup and restore from. Remember I have 30+ machines, so everything
stays in sync with each other.
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Blue
BillW50 said:Although I can see from the log that whenever Thunderbird is checking
for new messages (every 5 minutes) in newsgroups
Something I don't have TB configured to do. You can use the F5 key to
refresh. Try it without this enabled.
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Blue
BillW50 said:Remember I have 30+ machines, so everything
stays in sync with each other.
And all of them are checking newsgroups every five minutes simultaneously?
G
Gene E. Bloch
And all of them are checking newsgroups every five minutes
simultaneously?
Of course. One never knows when I might post something of enormous
value.
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BillW50
Blue said:And all of them are checking newsgroups every five minutes
simultaneously?
Oh gosh no! I learned my lesson right away from trying it with two at
the same time. What can happen is the server responses with too many
connections and blocks you for X amount of time. While I have lots of
external drives, one is basically used for syncing data among all of
them. And let's say that drive someday fails, no big deal since 30+
machines has copies of them anyway.
And honestly I rarely run more than one of them at a time, but I have
been known to run two or three at a time (not all checking email or
newsgroups though). And I think I would become very bored using just one
or two computers all of the time. That is way too easy. I need to mix
things up and make things a bit more challenging. Changing machines, OS,
applications, etc. works for me. ;-)
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Silver Slimer
Silver Slimer has written on 2/19/2014 5:29 PM:
And you're confirming that you're a rude, opinionated child!
As someone who financially supported Mozilla, it disappoints me that
their products have taken a turn for the worse and become bloat. I have
a right to express that fact and my opinion.
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Nil
Of course. One never knows when I might post something of enormous
value.
That's why I have my alarm set to wake myself up every 5 minutes so I
can get up and check for new messages from you!
I'm in the process of writing a special newsreader that will do that
automatically, and sound a klaxon when you do.