Recommended EMail Application

[OldGuy]

Been using Opera.
I really like having the browser and eMail in one place.
Now Opera newsgroup seems to be disconnected.
Opera has some problems.
Try to indent by putting a few spaces in front of a line of test.
Opera removes them upon sending.
Span deletion does not work. It deletes permanently only in the
Opera window. When I restart, all the spam shows up again.

I tried Thunderbird and it is very slow.
Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for
user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to
do.
Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do
other simple tasks until TBird finishes.

Seamonkey keeps forgetting my passwords.
It says use Password Manager to remember. What does Password Manager
belong to (part of Seamonkey or what???)? Should I not fix the
Seamonkey eMail account Settings?
I cannot find the password input place in Settings. Other eMailers
have it there. What am I missing?

What is the difference between Seamonkey and Thunderbird?

So what free eMail apps are any good?
Would be nice if it had newsgroups too but that is not mandatory.

 

[Big Al]

OldGuy said on 2/15/2014 10:15 PM:

Been using Opera.
I really like having the browser and eMail in one place.
Now Opera newsgroup seems to be disconnected.
Opera has some problems.
Try to indent by putting a few spaces in front of a line of test.
Opera removes them upon sending.
Span deletion does not work. It deletes permanently only in the Opera
window. When I restart, all the spam shows up again.

I tried Thunderbird and it is very slow.
Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for
user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to do.
Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do
other simple tasks until TBird finishes.

Seamonkey keeps forgetting my passwords.
It says use Password Manager to remember. What does Password Manager
belong to (part of Seamonkey or what???)? Should I not fix the
Seamonkey eMail account Settings?
I cannot find the password input place in Settings. Other eMailers have
it there. What am I missing?

What is the difference between Seamonkey and Thunderbird?

So what free eMail apps are any good?
Would be nice if it had newsgroups too but that is not mandatory.

Normally in TB (and I guess seamonkey) you set up an account with only
the user name. Then the first time you use it, it asks for the
password and you have to enter it and SHOULD check the box to use
password manager to save it for the next usages. Otherwise you'll
have to keep entering it. I guess if you are paranoid you could skip
over that. If you didn't save it, it will ask the next time you get
mail and you can then opt to save password.

 

[Paul in Houston TX]

Been using Opera.
I really like having the browser and eMail in one place.
Now Opera newsgroup seems to be disconnected.
Opera has some problems.
Try to indent by putting a few spaces in front of a line of test.
Opera removes them upon sending.
Span deletion does not work. It deletes permanently only in the Opera
window. When I restart, all the spam shows up again.

I tried Thunderbird and it is very slow.
Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for
user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to do.
Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do
other simple tasks until TBird finishes.

Seamonkey keeps forgetting my passwords.
It says use Password Manager to remember. What does Password Manager
belong to (part of Seamonkey or what???)? Should I not fix the
Seamonkey eMail account Settings?
I cannot find the password input place in Settings. Other eMailers have
it there. What am I missing?

What is the difference between Seamonkey and Thunderbird?

So what free eMail apps are any good?
Would be nice if it had newsgroups too but that is not mandatory.

I use SeaMonkey. Never had a problem with it.
SM is a combined browser and email/ng application.

 

[mechanic]

So what free eMail apps are any good?

PC-Alpine.

 

[BillW50]

On 2/15/2014 9:15 PM, OldGuy wrote:> I tried Thunderbird and it is very
slow.

Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for
user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to do.
Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do
other simple tasks until TBird finishes.

You noticed that too, eh? Yeah that is very annoying about TB for me.
Funny some people claim they do not see it. I admit if you have more
processor power than you know what to do with, the slowness is less
noticeable. I also heard if you use IMAP email (I do), TB spends much of
its time updating indexes. This in turn tends to really slow down TB a lot.

 

[casey.o]

Been using Opera.
I really like having the browser and eMail in one place.
Now Opera newsgroup seems to be disconnected.
Opera has some problems.
Try to indent by putting a few spaces in front of a line of test.
Opera removes them upon sending.
Span deletion does not work. It deletes permanently only in the
Opera window. When I restart, all the spam shows up again.

I tried Thunderbird and it is very slow.
Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for
user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to
do.

I've not found Thunderbird to be slow. But I'm using an old version.
2.0.0.24, The newer versions are probably all bloated. My older
version works just fine. It dont need anything more features. Anything
more is simply bloat. Try it, you might like it. You can get it here:
http://www.oldapps.com/thunderbird.php
Like I always say, "It's just email, mostly text, and occasionally a
picture added. Who needs tons of features, as long as it loads your
email, you should be good."

By the way, Opera seems to have had problems ever since it began. I've
installed and deleted more times than I can count. I wont install it
again. There is nothing I like about it! I use Firefox and TB. Agent
for newsgroups. I dont mind separate programs, I can open all of them
at once. Plus, I wonder if having your email included with the browser
tends to allow websites to steal your email addresses for spamming? I
prefer keeping them separate.

Good Luck.

 

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per OldGuy:

So what free eMail apps are any good?
Would be nice if it had newsgroups too but that is not mandatory.

I have been using Forte's "Agent" for so many years I've forgotten how
many.

I never found anything it couldn't do that I wanted done.

There is a fairly active newsgroup at
alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent

 

[casey.o]

Per OldGuy:

I have been using Forte's "Agent" for so many years I've forgotten how
many.

I never found anything it couldn't do that I wanted done.

There is a fairly active newsgroup at
alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent

Same here, but I only use it for newsgroups. I like Agent 2.0, I did
not like the newer versions, in which they screwed up the whole
placement of the options, and changed the wording too. I can darn near
operate Agent 2.0 with my eyes closed. As soon as I tried the newer
versions, I spent a long time trying to find what I wanted to do, and
got frustrated with them. For the news, 2.0 is just fine.

 

[dadiOH]

So what free eMail apps are any good?
Would be nice if it had newsgroups too but that is not
mandatory.

Here's a comparison, try them until you find one you like...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_email_clients

When I got a laptop with Win8, that's what I did. I didn't find one, wound
up installing a virtual machin (Oracle Virtual Box) and XP in it so I could
continue using Outlook Express.


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[mechanic]

Here's a comparison, try them until you find one you like...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_email_clients

I wonder if anyone is still using Elm?

 

[Ken Blake]

Same here, but I only use it for newsgroups.

Same here.

I like Agent 2.0, I did
not like the newer versions, in which they screwed up the whole
placement of the options, and changed the wording too.

But I use 6.0, and like it just fine. I never bothered upgrading to 7,
since it looked like there were few changes.

I can darn near
operate Agent 2.0 with my eyes closed. As soon as I tried the newer
versions, I spent a long time trying to find what I wanted to do, and
got frustrated with them.

Like almost anything else, it takes some time to get used to a new
version. But once you do, you often find it better (as I did in this
case).

 

[Big Al]

BillW50 said on 2/16/2014 7:38 AM:

On 2/15/2014 9:15 PM, OldGuy wrote:> I tried Thunderbird and it is very
slow.

You noticed that too, eh? Yeah that is very annoying about TB for me.
Funny some people claim they do not see it. I admit if you have more
processor power than you know what to do with, the slowness is less
noticeable. I also heard if you use IMAP email (I do), TB spends much of
its time updating indexes. This in turn tends to really slow down TB a lot.

That might answer why my Yahoo email account (IMAP) is so slow. I
don't use it thank goodness, it's just a placeholder but....

I don't notice slowdowns in Windows, but I have TB on Linux Mint and I
see one system core spike to 100% now and then and I can sometimes type
5 or 10 words before they show on the screen in compose.

 

[BillW50]

On 2/15/2014 9:15 PM, OldGuy wrote:

I tried Thunderbird and it is very slow.

You noticed that too, eh? Yeah that is very annoying about TB for me.
Funny some people claim they do not see it. I admit if you have more
processor power than you know what to do with, the slowness is less
noticeable. I also heard if you use IMAP email (I do), TB spends much of
its time updating indexes. This in turn tends to really slow down TB a
lot.

That might answer why my Yahoo email account (IMAP) is so slow. I
don't use it thank goodness, it's just a placeholder but....[/QUOTE]

I really like IMAP, since it syncs all of your email on all of your
machines. It syncs read, flagged, delete, move, etc.

I don't notice slowdowns in Windows, but I have TB on Linux Mint and I
see one system core spike to 100% now and then and I can sometimes type
5 or 10 words before they show on the screen in compose.

I don't use it enough under Linux to recall, but depending on the CPU
power, that happens too. Worse it could start dropping other typing as
well. It probably depends on your keyboard buffer. Once it fills and TB
didn't grab it yet, then it starts to drop characters. I normally use
another editor (using copy and paste) so this doesn't happen. I am using
Word right now, but even Notepad works fine for this purpose.

 

[s|b]

Same here, but I only use it for newsgroups. I like Agent 2.0, I did
not like the newer versions, in which they screwed up the whole
placement of the options, and changed the wording too. I can darn near
operate Agent 2.0 with my eyes closed. As soon as I tried the newer
versions, I spent a long time trying to find what I wanted to do, and
got frustrated with them. For the news, 2.0 is just fine.

Once you've set up the newer versions of Agent, you don't want to go
back to 2.x. Agent's News Access Plan lets you retrieve headers and
bodies and posting messages with the newsserver(s) that you want.
Separate or you can combine.

Also, being able to filter on message-id was a godsend imho. To finally
be able to kill file Google Gropers. Too bad they don't let you filter
on any header you want, like MesNews.

I have an e-mail account set up for the address in my Reply-To header,
but I hardly use it. TB is my main mailclient (and I don't find it slow
at all).

 

[s|b]

I tried Thunderbird and it is very slow.
Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for
user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to
do.
Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do
other simple tasks until TBird finishes.

What simple tasks? I've been using TB for /years/. It's not slow at all.
What hardware are you using?

So what free eMail apps are any good?
Would be nice if it had newsgroups too but that is not mandatory.

You're crossposting between a Windows XP newsgroup, a W7 and a W8
newsgroup. What OS will you be using for this new mailclient? (Or do you
plan to install it on ALL these operating systems?)

 

[Juan Wei]

OldGuy has written on 2/15/2014 10:15 PM:

I tried Thunderbird and it is very slow.

Not for me.

Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for
user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to
do.
Example?

Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do
other simple tasks until TBird finishes.

Your computer locks up until TB finishes? Which version of Windows?
Which version of TB?

 

[Juan Wei]

BillW50 has written on 2/16/2014 7:38 AM:

On 2/15/2014 9:15 PM, OldGuy wrote:> I tried Thunderbird and it is very
slow.

You noticed that too, eh? Yeah that is very annoying about TB for me.
Funny some people claim they do not see it. I admit if you have more
processor power than you know what to do with, the slowness is less
noticeable. I also heard if you use IMAP email (I do), TB spends much of
its time updating indexes. This in turn tends to really slow down TB a lot.

What indexes?

I have a Win 7 Ultimate desktop with an Intel i5-2320 CPU at 3.00GHz and
8GB of memory. I have many accounts set up in TB, some POP3, some IMAP,
and I'm one of those who do not see TB locking up the computer.

Sometimes TB and other programs present (Not Responding) in the title
bar but whatever causes that does not prevent me from using other programs.

 

[Juan Wei]

(e-mail address removed) has written on 2/16/2014 8:14 AM:

I've not found Thunderbird to be slow. But I'm using an old version.
2.0.0.24, The newer versions are probably all bloated. My older
version works just fine.

Except for the security holes! Seriously, have you ever read the release
notes?

 

[Paul in Houston TX]

Does SM support add-ons like TBird.
Specifically the one that enhances the eMail disposition rules like
automatically copying eMail attachments for an account to a folder?
Basic TBird could not do that so I installed an add-on to do it.

SM supports nearly all Mozilla add-ons.
You might want to read the SM NG.
This is the Mozilla server:
news.mozilla.org
Port 119, SSL is not checked.
And the SeaMonkey NG:
mozilla.support.seamonkey

 

[Silver Slimer]

On 2/15/2014 9:15 PM, OldGuy wrote:> I tried Thunderbird and it is very
slow.

You noticed that too, eh? Yeah that is very annoying about TB for me.
Funny some people claim they do not see it. I admit if you have more
processor power than you know what to do with, the slowness is less
noticeable. I also heard if you use IMAP email (I do), TB spends much of
its time updating indexes. This in turn tends to really slow down TB a lot.

This is what I've been arguing a week or two ago. Thunderbird is
terrible in terms of resource usage as is Firefox. With an i5 and
higher, I assume that there is no problem. However, there shouldn't be a
problem with an i3 like what is on my laptop. The fact that it's so
sluggish says a lot about the quality of programmers working on the project.