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[BillW50]

In Juan Wei typed:

BillW50 has written on 2/28/2014 5:03 PM:

Perhaps you are pulling messages from a large number of accounts
simultaneously???

Same five IMAP, one POP3, and one newsgroup server that OE6, and WLM
2009 pull in. But they don't freeze up.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <[email protected]>, BillW50 <[email protected]>
writes:
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I was asked to find the caused of this problem and my mail shield isn't
installed. And using process monitors and logs, Thunderbirds freezes
whenever it picks up messages here. I turned off automatic get messages
and Thunderbird no longer freezes at all for me.

Not that I or my supportees have this problem at the moment, but for
future reference: does it do the same if you _manually_ tell it to
fetch? (If so, how are you getting any email at all - stopping and
restarting TB? [I assume we're talking about email not usenet
messages.])

 

[BillW50]

In message <[email protected]>, BillW50 <[email protected]>
writes:
[]

I was asked to find the caused of this problem and my mail shield
isn't installed. And using process monitors and logs, Thunderbirds
freezes whenever it picks up messages here. I turned off automatic get
messages and Thunderbird no longer freezes at all for me.

Not that I or my supportees have this problem at the moment, but for
future reference: does it do the same if you _manually_ tell it to
fetch?

Yes, but it doesn't seem quite as bad.

(If so, how are you getting any email at all - stopping and restarting
TB?

While I do still have it fetch on startup (and yes it freezes up then
too), that should be all it gets unless you manually fetch them again.
Although you can do it server by server so it isn't as bad as getting
everything at one time.

[I assume we're talking about email not usenet messages.])

Yes both email and newsgroups. Although I believe it doesn't matter. I
think the more servers it checks, the worse the problem becomes. I tried
not fetching one or another and the problem is still there, just not as
bad.

 

[Yousuf Khan]

In Yousuf Khan typed:

I was asked to find the caused of this problem and my mail shield isn't
installed. And using process monitors and logs, Thunderbirds freezes
whenever it picks up messages here. I turned off automatic get messages
and Thunderbird no longer freezes at all for me.

I used Resource Monitor to watch what processes were using what, and
during the freezes, I found that Microsoft Security Essentials was
reading heavily from the Thunderbird database files. I've since excluded
the whole Thunderbird folder from MSE, and have not experienced a freeze
since. That's one antivirus program that it worked with, it may work
with others too.

Yousuf Khan

 

[Yousuf Khan]

Would it affect Firefox as well?

It might, you could try excluding the Firefox profile folder too.

Another thing to do with Firefox is to simply minimize the size of its
cache. The smaller the cache, the less the antivirus has to scan through
it. I keep mine locked at 75MB, that should be more than sufficient to
keep Firefox fast with modern high-speed Internet connections. It might
have made sense to have huge local caches when we were on dial-up, but
now it's almost imperceptible.

Yousuf Khan

 

[BillW50]

I used Resource Monitor to watch what processes were using what, and
during the freezes, I found that Microsoft Security Essentials was
reading heavily from the Thunderbird database files. I've since excluded
the whole Thunderbird folder from MSE, and have not experienced a freeze
since. That's one antivirus program that it worked with, it may work
with others too.

That is very good to know Yousuf. Thanks much!

 

[Yousuf Khan]

So far, I think it has improved it, yesterday I notice that TB had gone
into "not responding" mode for quite a long time, but when I checked
with Task Manager, the system (mainly FF+TB together) was eating over
3.3GB, so restarting FF brought it back to normal - I'm afraid I have
several hundred tabs open :-(

Yeah, I pretty much can notice a difference side-bi-side because I
implemented the solution inside my desktop, but not on my laptop. After
also implementing the solution on the laptop, the laptop's performance
has increased too.

Yousuf Khan

 

[Keith Nuttle]

So far, I think it has improved it, yesterday I notice that TB had gone
into "not responding" mode for quite a long time, but when I checked
with Task Manager, the system (mainly FF+TB together) was eating over
3.3GB, so restarting FF brought it back to normal - I'm afraid I have
several hundred tabs open :-(

Dumb question:

What is the advantage of having several hundred tabs open, over having
several hundred book marks arranged on the bookmark toolbar, arranged in
folders so you can open a group of URL by opening the folder.

I arrange several bookmarks in a folder and place it on the bookmark
toolbar. as an example the folder may contain several newspaper URL
that I read regularly. Opening the folder with center mouse click or
right click, "Open in tab" opens each newspaper in its own tab.

 

[Good Guy]

Dumb question:

What is the advantage of having several hundred tabs open, over having

I think he mentioned about two hours ago before your post that he is
lazy to close them. Perhaps he should reconfigure his FF so that all
new windows open in the same window!

He can do this by going to:

Tools >> Options >> Tabs

Uncheck the first item that says:

"Open new windows in a new tab instead"

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

There is a practical limit to "lazy" and I do believe you have
exceeded
this limit. Tabs are not bookmarks. How do you ever find what you're
looking for in row upon row of tiny tabs?

He uses the button that displays a screen of thumbnails.

Then all he has to do is scroll through, oh, maybe a dozen or two
screenfuls of thumbnails.

Is the humor sufficiently evident to allow me to omit a smiley?

 

[Nil]

Of course, do you know anyone who keeps their bookmarks and/or
tags tidy?

Yes: me. It's trivial. And bookmarks are easily searchable. Tabs are
not.

You can close a tab with a simple Ctrl+W keystroke. How hard is that?

 

[mechanic]

Of course, do you know anyone who keeps their bookmarks and/or
tags tidy?

You could try an external bookmark database application that
supports tags, like Delicious or Netvouz.

 

[Nil]

You could try an external bookmark database application that
supports tags, like Delicious or Netvouz.

Maybe I'm not getting what you're referring to, but Firefox bookmarks
are stored in a database and supports tags right out of the box. What
does the external program get you that's not built in?

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Andy Burns wrote:

Yikes! If that thing popped up on my screen, I'd be reaching for the
computer's OFF switch thinking I'd just been infected by a monster
malware!

It's impossible to tell what those icons represent! I see a couple
dozen (no, I did not count) of wee pics of a blue capital "S". None
have more than a three-letter clue as to what they are.

You've shot yourself in the foot! :-/

Look on the bright side: he doesn't have to scroll through "a dozen or
two screenfuls of thumbnails" as I had surmised above.

I had no idea the icons would shrink that far, but I am a real
cheapskate, never paying for more than maybe 12 tabs.

I just described the many-tab schema to my friend (who wandered in just
as I was writing this). She jumped back startled, almost a caricature
of "OMG". Then I showed her the screenshot, and I saw caricature
squared...

It seems she disagrees with Andy Burns

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Because I'm lazy and tabs are the new bookmarks.

I know what you mean. I've just done a little pruning and got mine down
to 39.

It isn't, but did I mention I'm lazy?

I'm puzzled as to how being lazy - which I heartily support, I am too! -
meshes with the _chore_ of having to hunt through the tabs (do you have
tab mix plus so they're in multiple rows, or just one row?) to find the
one you want? (I _do_ organise my _bookmarks_ into folders and
subfolders.) Or do you just have hundreds of tabs that you no longer
_use_ at _all_?

If I wanted FF to not do the "not responding" thing, I think removing
flash would be an easier win.

Hmm, not sure. How much RAM do you have, and how much is Firefox using?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

New research shows that three to five cups of coffee a day will cut the risk of
Alzheimer's by about 60 per cent. There is also good evidence that tea is good
for memory. - Michael Mosley interviewed in Radio Times, 7-13 February 2009

 

[Nil]

If you think hunting through open tabs is a chore, try hunting
through the same number of bookmarks.

I don't understand that. Firefox's bookmarks are easily searchable.
Ctrl+B and type your criteria. It's not a chore at all

 

[Paul]

I don't understand that. Firefox's bookmarks are easily searchable.
Ctrl+B and type your criteria. It's not a chore at all

Especially if you edit the title of the bookmark
and insert your own tags. Then, later when you search,
you're much more likely to find what you want.

Paul

 

[Nil]

Especially if you edit the title of the bookmark
and insert your own tags. Then, later when you search,
you're much more likely to find what you want.

When I hit Ctrl+D to bookmark a page a dialog box pops up that lets me
edit the title and I almost always take advantage of it at that time.
Few web pages are titles sensibly.

 

[Nil]

I only bookmark pages that I expect to return to at a later time.
Otherwise, what's the point.

For me, the ratio of visited pages to bookmarked pages is
something like 1000:1, and there's no practical way to tag the
saved sites to such an extent that I could immediately go back to
each and every one of them quickly and efficiently. It's so much
easier, faster, and more efficient, to simply leave the tab open
until I'm done with that site.

The point for me is that bookmarks are searchable. Customizing the tags
makes the searching easier and more reliable, but even if you don't do
that there's still a good chance you can find it with a search. And
then you can easily delete the bookmark when you don't need it any
more.

I don't think tabs are searchable out of the box, but I found an add-on
that adds that capability. With that your method might be useful to me,
but otherwise, not really.

 

[Paul]

The point for me is that bookmarks are searchable. Customizing the tags
makes the searching easier and more reliable, but even if you don't do
that there's still a good chance you can find it with a search. And
then you can easily delete the bookmark when you don't need it any
more.

I don't think tabs are searchable out of the box, but I found an add-on
that adds that capability. With that your method might be useful to me,
but otherwise, not really.

On Firefox, I have these options:

1) Keep window/tab open for a while (current search topic).
2) Bookmark things I know I'm going to need later for sure.
3) For things not worth crafting a bookmark with tags, I rely
on the searchable Firefox history buffer. As long as I don't
search for instances of "google.com", generally the search
result is unique enough, I only have to go through a handful
of hits to find the right one.

The most windows/tabs I've had open, was 76, while trying
to find a good digital TV homebrew antenna design. While that
one was going on, I would use Task Manager, to kill Firefox just
before hibernating, so there would be less of system memory to
write to the hiberfile. On next startup, Firefox would "restore
previous session", and open all the windows/tabs again.

Paul