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alt.comp.os.windows-8:
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That's why I have my alarm set to wake myself up every 5 minutes so I
can get up and check for new messages from you!
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I'm in the process of writing a special newsreader that will do that
automatically, and sound a klaxon when you do.
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Here's a good source of wakeup sound:


It's called 100 Kaba Gaidi, meaning 100 big(?) bagpipes. Not
Scottish...
 
Something I don't have TB configured to do. You can use the F5 key to
refresh. Try it without this enabled.
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Yes that was going to be my next step. And since then, Thunderbird has
been behaving perfectly for the past 90 minutes.
 
By the way, Opera seems to have had problems ever since it began. I've
installed and deleted more times than I can count. I wont install it
again. There is nothing I like about it! I use Firefox and TB. Agent
for newsgroups. I dont mind separate programs, I can open all of them
at once. Plus, I wonder if having your email included with the browser
tends to allow websites to steal your email addresses for spamming? I
prefer keeping them separate.
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I used to use Agent too when I was using the binary newsgroups, but I
seem to prefer Thunderbird for text newsgroups. I like the text
manipulation features better under Tbird.

Agent was great when downloading huge multipart binaries, without
getting bogged down by the huge size of the messages. That is until you
reached the 4GB file size limit, then all hell broke loose on Agent.

Yousuf Khan
 
I absolutely want to remove Thunderbird and replace it but I have no
idea what newsreader to use instead. Thunderbird is so fully-featured
that it's hard to move away from it. If WLM quoted properly on Usenet,
I'd be sold but it doesn't.
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Same here, I'd replace Thunderbird, if I could find something that looks
like it, and acts like it. This is how Microsoft got people to switch
over to MS Word from WordPerfect in the olden days -- they just made
Word act exactly like WordPerfect, right down to its function keys.

Speaking of MS, this Thunderbird debate also reminds me of all of the
times I tried to get out of MS Windows, and go to Linux on a daily
basis. I got really close this time, had Linux on my system for several
years as a credible backstop to Windows when Ubuntu just made it
difficult to keep Linux on the hard drive. A lot of the issues were with
how Ubuntu kept changing the user interface, and kept nagging about
updates constantly.

Yousuf Khan
 
The reason the files are kept in memory, is a performance
trade-off. On a slow computer, the initial parsing time for
a large .msf might be significant. The design decision is
to keep it in RAM. My experience here on my processor, is
that isn't an issue. If the files were not kept in memory,
it would only slow things down a little bit. If I was
running on a 300MHz Celeron, I would think otherwise.
I would load the newsgroups once in the morning, and
go make coffee while it happened.
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Interesting, did they create a tuning guide for Thunderbird options
somewhere?

Yousuf Khan
 
Yousuf said:
Interesting, did they create a tuning guide for Thunderbird options
somewhere?

Yousuf Khan
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I don't have anything bookmarked for TB, which means I
just run into the odd bit of interesting reading
in their bugtracker or the like.

If you look at my headers, you'll notice my User-Agent
has a strange name, and I had to actually read the source
to figure out how to do that. And that's not documented
anywhere. The more obvious methods (re-compilation)
did not work. I could not change the name, even though
name changing and reasons for name changing are there
(they've always had some kind of half-assed branding scheme).
But there was a way to do that. Took me forever to
find it.

Paul
 
Same here, I'd replace Thunderbird, if I could find something that looks
like it, and acts like it. This is how Microsoft got people to switch
over to MS Word from WordPerfect in the olden days -- they just made
Word act exactly like WordPerfect, right down to its function keys.

Speaking of MS, this Thunderbird debate also reminds me of all of the
times I tried to get out of MS Windows, and go to Linux on a daily
basis. I got really close this time, had Linux on my system for several
years as a credible backstop to Windows when Ubuntu just made it
difficult to keep Linux on the hard drive. A lot of the issues were with
how Ubuntu kept changing the user interface, and kept nagging about
updates constantly.
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After two decades, GNU/Linux is no better now than it was at the very
beginning. It's constantly trailing Windows and feels as though it's
been left behind ten years.
 
This is how Microsoft got people to switch
over to MS Word from WordPerfect in the olden days -- they just made
Word act exactly like WordPerfect, right down to its function keys.
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As far as I'm concerned Word has never acted like WordPerfect.
WordPerfect took a back seat to Word when WordPerfect 6 was released;
it was a very buggy release and people left it in droves.
 
As far as I'm concerned Word has never acted like WordPerfect.
WordPerfect took a back seat to Word when WordPerfect 6 was released;
it was a very buggy release and people left it in droves.
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Actually, in the older Word versions, there were settings available to
make it mimic at least some of Word Perfect's operations. I never used
them, so I don't know how extensive Word's mimicry was.



--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 24.0
Thunderbird 24.0
 
Ken Springer said:
Actually, in the older Word versions, there were settings available to
make it mimic at least some of Word Perfect's operations. I never
used them, so I don't know how extensive Word's mimicry was.
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Both WordStar and Word Perfect had very interesting histories.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wordstar

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_perfect

I do disagree with Wikipedia claim about WordStar 2000 first using
CTRL-B (bold), CTRL-I (italic), and CTRL-U (underline). As I seem to
recall a number of Commodore word processors also used them earlier.
Ones like SpeedScript, PaperClip III, and PC Writer 128 to name a few
which I think used them too, including CTRL-S (save).
 
Actually, in the older Word versions, there were settings available to
make it mimic at least some of Word Perfect's operations.
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Available? Yes. But available isn't the same as "made Word act exactly
like WordPerfect."

And that wasn't the reason people moved from WordPerfect to Word.
 
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:36:55 -0700, Ken Springer


Available? Yes. But available isn't the same as "made Word act
exactly like WordPerfect."
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And that wasn't the reason people moved from WordPerfect to Word.
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I know why I moved to Word.

Back in DOS days I used WordPerfect.

At work I was required to use Word 4.0 (I believe that was the
version).

Almost the same day I started using Word at work, I bought it for
myself to use at home, and never looked back.
 
I know why I moved to Word.

Back in DOS days I used WordPerfect.

At work I was required to use Word 4.0 (I believe that was the
version).

Almost the same day I started using Word at work, I bought it for
myself to use at home, and never looked back.
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And you didn't notice that m$ got people to use word & office suite
by cutting the price of the office suite by about 1/3 as in that with
the cost of word, you also get excel & presentation. At least that's
why I got word because the company switched from WP because
of the savings in relation to buying a word processor, spreadsheet
& presentation program separately.

Always felt that m$ did a sucker play. I didn't need a spreadsheet
or presentation program; just want a simple wordprocessor for
term papers/reports; & not trying to publish a book with its
accompaning excess baggage. Because of the publishing capabilities,
professors are now requiring footnotes, etc, when needed & other info
as if one is publishing an important tech book.
 
And you didn't notice that m$ got people to use word & office suite
by cutting the price of the office suite by about 1/3 as in that with
the cost of word, you also get excel & presentation. At least that's
why I got word because the company switched from WP because
of the savings in relation to buying a word processor, spreadsheet
& presentation program separately.
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Always felt that m$ did a sucker play. I didn't need a spreadsheet
or presentation program; just want a simple wordprocessor for
term papers/reports; & not trying to publish a book with its
accompaning excess baggage. Because of the publishing capabilities,
professors are now requiring footnotes, etc, when needed & other info
as if one is publishing an important tech book.
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They sold me a good and usable product. Since I'm reasonably sane, that
was good enough for me.

Actually, your jejune post doesn't really deserve an answer, but what
the heck :-)
 
I know why I moved to Word.

Back in DOS days I used WordPerfect.

At work I was required to use Word 4.0 (I believe that was the
version).

Almost the same day I started using Word at work, I bought it for
myself to use at home, and never looked back.
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We are very different in that respect. I did, and still do, think
WordPerfect is much better than Word.
 
We are very different in that respect. I did, and still do, think
WordPerfect is much better than Word.
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Apparently he has never tried to resolve a formatting problem in MS
Word. It is quite easy to do using WordPerfect's reveal codes.

Today WordPerfect is equal to MS Word, in most respects. Headers,
Footers, footnote, outline, and most other aspects.

I bought WordPerfect so I would have a high quality word processor, and
found that I am using Quattro Pro as much as I am the WordPerfect. So
far I have never had a need for Presentation, the Power Point equivalent.
 
Available? Yes. But available isn't the same as "made Word act exactly
like WordPerfect."

And that wasn't the reason people moved from WordPerfect to Word.
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One thing I've always hated about Word is it's impossible to have
anything end at the bottom margin without having a blank following page.


--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 24.0
Thunderbird 24.0
 
Apparently he has never tried to resolve a formatting problem in MS
Word. It is quite easy to do using WordPerfect's reveal codes.
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What is difficult with going into Word Options Display and checking
"show all formatting marks"?
 
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