OT: Unsolicted Email from NG Participants

[Rhonda Lea Kirk]

I do not munge my email address for four reasons:

1. My news provider doesn't like it,
2. It is a violation of RFC 1036,
3. I have great spam filters, and, most important
4. I love getting email.

Up until now, all of the off-group mail I've ever received has been
welcome.

Unfortunately, tonight, I received a threatening email.

Someone who reads this group has apparently been following the WGA
threads, and he noticed that I had something of a brief, but mildly
heated, exchange with one of the participants. He wrote to let me know
that he has tracked this person to his home, and that he intends to pay
him a surprise visit for the purpose of discussing his newsgroup posts
and (this is really bizarre) having him served with process for the
purpose of "shutting his filthy mouth."

WTF?!

I sent a copy of this email to my "adversary" so that he is aware
someone really has it in for him, and I have also reported the email to
the originating ISP.

But I'm just appalled at this. It's worse than kooky, it's sociopathic.
This is usenet, and to take a usenet dispute into real life is insane.

I'm going to continue to leave my doors open to email because it is what
I have been doing for 17 years, but all you loons out there are on
notice that when you start acting as if mere words are a basis for real
life action, I'm not just going to ignore it, so it's probably best to
avoid involving me in your psychotic plans.

Sincerely,

rl, who really needs to get some sleep now
--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff

 

[Cymbal Man Freq.]

Someone who reads this group has apparently been following the WGA
threads, and he noticed that I had something of a brief, but mildly
heated, exchange with one of the participants. He wrote to let me know
that he has tracked this person to his home, and that he intends to
pay him a surprise visit for the purpose of discussing his newsgroup
posts and (this is really bizarre) having him served with process for
the purpose of "shutting his filthy mouth."

WTF?!

It's the Final Countdown!

 

[paulmd]

I do not munge my email address for four reasons:

1. My news provider doesn't like it,
2. It is a violation of RFC 1036,
3. I have great spam filters, and, most important
4. I love getting email.

Up until now, all of the off-group mail I've ever received has been
welcome.

Unfortunately, tonight, I received a threatening email.

Someone who reads this group has apparently been following the WGA
threads, and he noticed that I had something of a brief, but mildly
heated, exchange with one of the participants. He wrote to let me know
that he has tracked this person to his home, and that he intends to pay
him a surprise visit for the purpose of discussing his newsgroup posts
and (this is really bizarre) having him served with process for the
purpose of "shutting his filthy mouth."

WTF?!

I sent a copy of this email to my "adversary" so that he is aware
someone really has it in for him, and I have also reported the email to
the originating ISP.

But I'm just appalled at this. It's worse than kooky, it's sociopathic.
This is usenet, and to take a usenet dispute into real life is insane.

I'm going to continue to leave my doors open to email because it is what
I have been doing for 17 years, but all you loons out there are on
notice that when you start acting as if mere words are a basis for real
life action, I'm not just going to ignore it, so it's probably best to
avoid involving me in your psychotic plans.

Sincerely,

rl, who really needs to get some sleep now
--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff

Call The Police.

Immediately if not sooner.

 

[Guest]

How sadly pathetic !!!

 

[Jeff]

Scary too!!!

How sadly pathetic !!!

 

[kurttrail]

Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:

it's probably
best to avoid involving me in your psychotic plans.

Damn! ;-)

--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."

 

[Rhonda Lea Kirk]

Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:



Damn! ;-)

I will always make an exception for you, Kurt.

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff

 

[Rhonda Lea Kirk]

Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:

Call The Police.

Immediately if not sooner.

I'm a rational anarchist, and I don't make decisions for anyone but me.


If the intended target wishes to involve the police, I will support him
fully, but it's his decision to make, not mine.

I have seen him online since I sent the email, so I have every reason to
believe he has received it and is aware of the threat.

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff

 

[Leythos]

Unfortunately, tonight, I received a threatening email.

Someone who reads this group has apparently been following the WGA
threads, and he noticed that I had something of a brief, but mildly
heated, exchange with one of the participants. He wrote to let me know
that he has tracked this person to his home, and that he intends to pay
him a surprise visit for the purpose of discussing his newsgroup posts
and (this is really bizarre) having him served with process for the
purpose of "shutting his filthy mouth."

WTF?!

I sent a copy of this email to my "adversary" so that he is aware
someone really has it in for him, and I have also reported the email to
the originating ISP.

But I'm just appalled at this. It's worse than kooky, it's sociopathic.
This is usenet, and to take a usenet dispute into real life is insane.

It's really sad that people like that exist, but they do, and, as we
work with the local LE groups, we see it all to often, mostly involving
online dating and kids under 18. The good thing is that in America you
can still own a gun/rifle/shot-gun, so you can protect yourself against
people trying to get into your home/space.

 

[Alias]

It's really sad that people like that exist, but they do, and, as we
work with the local LE groups, we see it all to often, mostly involving
online dating and kids under 18. The good thing is that in America you
can still own a gun/rifle/shot-gun, so you can protect yourself against
people trying to get into your home/space.

Not to mention having the guns handy in case your kids want to play at
Columbine.

I should have known you were an NRA type.

Alias

 

[Rhonda Lea Kirk]

Not to mention having the guns handy in case your kids want to play at
Columbine.

I should have known you were an NRA type.

Oh dear.

I'm sorry, Alias. Me too.

I grew up with guns in the house, and while I never took up hunting or
target shooting as a sport, I do know how to use firearms, and I
wouldn't hesitate to take out a malevolent intruder. I once lived in a
rather odd neighborhood, and I slept with a .45 in the bedstand drawer.
(I was married then, but my husband worked nights, so I was alone.)

It is true that there are those who should not possess weapons of any
kind, but as annoyed as I am with him, I would not assert that Leythos
should be numbered among them.

rl

P.S. My father never locked up the guns, but my sister and I both knew
better than to touch them without his permission. It was never even an
issue.
--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff

 

[Leythos]

Not to mention having the guns handy in case your kids want to play at
Columbine.

I should have known you were an NRA type.

LOL, I'm not a NRA member and I don't support Political groups.

I do teach advanced rifle methods to groups of kids under 18 for a
national organization dedicated to kids.

In all the years that we had access to guns when I was a kid, I can't
think of any single incident where one was used to harm anyone else - in
our area of town. In those days kids were taught what they were, how to
use them, what they can do, and to actually shoot them, so they have a
clear understanding they are not toys. At the same time, while I have a
number of weapons, they are locked in cases, ammo in another locked
area, realoading powder another area, etc...

In the 10+ years I've known about this training for kids, 3 that I've
been involved personally, not one kid, past or present, has been
involved in any accident or shooting of any type. Oh, and the insurance
for the kids is cheaper than any other club in the organization, all of
which are non-weapon related.

But I expected that type of statement from someone that left the USA.

 

[Alias]

Oh dear.

I'm sorry, Alias. Me too.

I grew up with guns in the house, and while I never took up hunting or
target shooting as a sport, I do know how to use firearms, and I
wouldn't hesitate to take out a malevolent intruder. I once lived in a
rather odd neighborhood, and I slept with a .45 in the bedstand drawer.
(I was married then, but my husband worked nights, so I was alone.)

It is true that there are those who should not possess weapons of any
kind, but as annoyed as I am with him, I would not assert that Leythos
should be numbered among them.

rl

P.S. My father never locked up the guns, but my sister and I both knew
better than to touch them without his permission. It was never even an
issue.

Sorry, but the crime rate in the USA, where almost anyone can own a gun
legally and everyone can own one illegally, is one of the highest in the
world. Ask Cheney's lawyer friend about shotguns.

From: http://bobdylan.com/songs/joey.html

It was true that in his later years he would not carry a gun
"I'm around too many children," he'd say, "they should never know of one."

Alias

 

[Alias]

LOL, I'm not a NRA member and I don't support Political groups.

I do teach advanced rifle methods to groups of kids under 18 for a
national organization dedicated to kids.

In all the years that we had access to guns when I was a kid, I can't
think of any single incident where one was used to harm anyone else - in
our area of town. In those days kids were taught what they were, how to
use them, what they can do, and to actually shoot them, so they have a
clear understanding they are not toys. At the same time, while I have a
number of weapons, they are locked in cases, ammo in another locked
area, realoading powder another area, etc...

In the 10+ years I've known about this training for kids, 3 that I've
been involved personally, not one kid, past or present, has been
involved in any accident or shooting of any type. Oh, and the insurance
for the kids is cheaper than any other club in the organization, all of
which are non-weapon related.

Tell that to the relatives of the Columbine victims. I am sure they will
understand. Tell that to John Lennon's widow Yoko. Tell that to Abraham
Lincoln's descendants. Tell that to JFK's descendants.

But I expected that type of statement from someone that left the USA.

Leaving the USA is not a crime. I am very happy here. Why do you have a
problem with that or was that just a cheap "shot" due to your being out
of "ammo" in your arguments?

Alias

 

[Rhonda Lea Kirk]

Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:

Sorry, but the crime rate in the USA, where almost anyone can own a
gun legally and everyone can own one illegally, is one of the highest
in the world. Ask Cheney's lawyer friend about shotguns.

From: http://bobdylan.com/songs/joey.html

It was true that in his later years he would not carry a gun
"I'm around too many children," he'd say, "they should never know of
one."

I'm just glad this is a computer ng, and I don't actually have to argue
the issue.

rl
--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff

 

[jt3]

Let's stop acting as if this were a simple issue. It isn't, and it doesn't
have simple answers. My wife has a very strong distrust of guns, which
inclines her to the view that they should all be banned. People who have
suffered injury from malefactors with guns tend to think that anything that
reduces the chances of this occurrence would be a boon. In my own
experience, I know how easily kids can be stressed to the point of
threatening with guns, even when they know better, and it's not all that
much different with adults.

This depends upon many factors, the degree of 'take' with use-training for
one, but probably more acutely upon the ability of society in general to
impose social standards for resolution of conflict, viz. 'taking matters
into one's own hands.' This attitude has been socially encouraged for many
years now-- 'I did it my way . . ' and many other examples of the same
attitude in different guises. We now have a crew of politicians and
would-be political masters loose on the national scene who feel nothing
wrong in trying to stir up suspicion, hatred, and revulsion for anyone whose
ideas differ from theirs, merely to gain popular advantage.

Personally, though I don't have any guns, I like the idea of being able to
own one, should I want to. Not just because I might want it for protection,
nor for hunting. My Dad hunted when he could, and though I never developed
the interest in it, I have some understanding for those who do. I also
don't like any restriction of personal freedom, but it looks very much like
the price of so many of us living in more intimate contact with one another
(and the net makes it just that much more so) has in the past always led to
the surrender of some of those personal freedoms, or at least to the
restriction of them.

It doesn't look to get any better in the immediate future. *Compromise* on
all sides is the only way we'll all be able to live together. Take a tip
from the middle east.

Joe

 

[Leythos]

Tell that to the relatives of the Columbine victims. I am sure they will
understand. Tell that to John Lennon's widow Yoko. Tell that to Abraham
Lincoln's descendants. Tell that to JFK's descendants.

Drop the sanctimonious crap, people all over the world kill people, and
they do it with all sorts of weapons. It doesn't matter if the country
allows gun ownership or not, people still get the best weapon they can
and use it to kill with.

It's a simple fact that if you Ban guns, criminals will be the only ones
with Guns, and killing with Guns will not stop. I would rather have my
guns to defend my family than to be stuck at the wrong end of one when a
criminal has one, or when some terror group comes after our family and
friends or when some other group....

Leaving the USA is not a crime. I am very happy here. Why do you have a
problem with that or was that just a cheap "shot" due to your being out
of "ammo" in your arguments?

I took a cheap shot just like you did - if you don't like them don't
fling them.

 

[Eric]

Tell that to the relatives of the Columbine victims. I am sure they will
understand. Tell that to John Lennon's widow Yoko. Tell that to Abraham
Lincoln's descendants. Tell that to JFK's descendants.


Leaving the USA is not a crime. I am very happy here. Why do you have a
problem with that or was that just a cheap "shot" due to your being out of
"ammo" in your arguments?

Alias

I think Leythos is right. How many kids brought guns to school for the
Columbine incident? Where did they get those guns? What did their parents
teach them about guns?

I think if you have a gun in the house, it should probably be locked.
I think if you have a gun and you have kids, the kids have to be taught to
respect it, and should be given the chance to hold it and fire it in the
proper supervised environment.
I think if kids are taught proper respect for weapons and allowed to use
them on targets or for hunting under proper supervision, they are not likely
to use them as toys much less on another human being unless they are
seriously disturbed.
I think if kids are disturbed enough to use weapons as toys or on another
human being, their parents should be somewhat aware and should choose not to
have such weapons anywhere the child might be able to get them.

Back when I grew up, parents had guns in the house and no children ever
dared touch them without proper permission and supervision.
Since then, more families have both parents working full time and often
leaving children alone.
Since then, more safety precautions have been developed for guns and taught
to parents, but many still choose to ignore them.
Since then, more pansies have adopted the idea that if they never let their
child touch their weapon, the child will pretend the weapon doesn't exist.
Since then, more pacifists have adopted the idea that if they don't own a
gun, they won't have to worry about their children getting their hands on
one or any of their family getting shot, while their children's friends and
the criminals are still likely to have guns.

I was in the Army, and it is disturbing but not surprising, that many of our
soldiers fail their marksmanship test.

 

[Alias]

I think Leythos is right. How many kids brought guns to school for the
Columbine incident? Where did they get those guns? What did their parents
teach them about guns?

I think if you have a gun in the house, it should probably be locked.
I think if you have a gun and you have kids, the kids have to be taught to
respect it, and should be given the chance to hold it and fire it in the
proper supervised environment.
I think if kids are taught proper respect for weapons and allowed to use
them on targets or for hunting under proper supervision, they are not likely
to use them as toys much less on another human being unless they are
seriously disturbed.
I think if kids are disturbed enough to use weapons as toys or on another
human being, their parents should be somewhat aware and should choose not to
have such weapons anywhere the child might be able to get them.

Back when I grew up, parents had guns in the house and no children ever
dared touch them without proper permission and supervision.
Since then, more families have both parents working full time and often
leaving children alone.
Since then, more safety precautions have been developed for guns and taught
to parents, but many still choose to ignore them.
Since then, more pansies have adopted the idea that if they never let their
child touch their weapon, the child will pretend the weapon doesn't exist.
Since then, more pacifists have adopted the idea that if they don't own a
gun, they won't have to worry about their children getting their hands on
one or any of their family getting shot, while their children's friends and
the criminals are still likely to have guns.

I was in the Army, and it is disturbing but not surprising, that many of our
soldiers fail their marksmanship test.

This is getting off topic. I have no more to say about it.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Drop the sanctimonious crap, people all over the world kill people, and
they do it with all sorts of weapons. It doesn't matter if the country
allows gun ownership or not, people still get the best weapon they can
and use it to kill with.

It's a simple fact that if you Ban guns, criminals will be the only ones
with Guns, and killing with Guns will not stop. I would rather have my
guns to defend my family than to be stuck at the wrong end of one when a
criminal has one, or when some terror group comes after our family and
friends or when some other group....


I took a cheap shot just like you did - if you don't like them don't
fling them.

Just remember what the Beatles said,

"Happiness is a warm gun. Bang, bang, shoot, shoot. Happiness is a,
YEAH, warm gun, bang, bang, shoot, shoot"

This is really getting off topic. I have no more to say about it.

Alias