OT: Unsolicted Email from NG Participants

[Alias]

Let's stop acting as if this were a simple issue. It isn't, and it doesn't
have simple answers. My wife has a very strong distrust of guns, which
inclines her to the view that they should all be banned. People who have
suffered injury from malefactors with guns tend to think that anything that
reduces the chances of this occurrence would be a boon. In my own
experience, I know how easily kids can be stressed to the point of
threatening with guns, even when they know better, and it's not all that
much different with adults.

This depends upon many factors, the degree of 'take' with use-training for
one, but probably more acutely upon the ability of society in general to
impose social standards for resolution of conflict, viz. 'taking matters
into one's own hands.' This attitude has been socially encouraged for many
years now-- 'I did it my way . . ' and many other examples of the same
attitude in different guises. We now have a crew of politicians and
would-be political masters loose on the national scene who feel nothing
wrong in trying to stir up suspicion, hatred, and revulsion for anyone whose
ideas differ from theirs, merely to gain popular advantage.

Personally, though I don't have any guns, I like the idea of being able to
own one, should I want to. Not just because I might want it for protection,
nor for hunting. My Dad hunted when he could, and though I never developed
the interest in it, I have some understanding for those who do. I also
don't like any restriction of personal freedom, but it looks very much like
the price of so many of us living in more intimate contact with one another
(and the net makes it just that much more so) has in the past always led to
the surrender of some of those personal freedoms, or at least to the
restriction of them.

It doesn't look to get any better in the immediate future. *Compromise* on
all sides is the only way we'll all be able to live together. Take a tip
from the middle east.

Joe

Very true. In order for a gunless, atomic bombless, etc.less world,
people have to learn to live together without blowing the sh!it out of
each other.

This is really getting off topic. I have no more to say about it.

Alias

 

[Eric]

This is getting off topic. I have no more to say about it.

Alias

The thread title is OT (off topic). That's all you have to say about it?
Nice way to admit you're wrong.

 

[Eric]

Just remember what the Beatles said,

"Happiness is a warm gun. Bang, bang, shoot, shoot. Happiness is a, YEAH,
warm gun, bang, bang, shoot, shoot"

This is really getting off topic. I have no more to say about it.

Alias

I never listened to the Beatles. Did they really say that? How ironic.
Lennon sang about happiness with a warm gun and got shot. That Nirvana guy
sang "I don't have a gun..." and shot himself... apparently they were both
insane.

 

[R. McCarty]

John Lennon was many things, insane not being one of them. The
song in question comes from the "White Album" recorded in 1968.

Whatever Post 1970+ music you listen to or like, it was influenced
or shaped in some way by the Beatles.

 

[RA]

I never listened to the Beatles. Did they really say that? How
ironic. Lennon sang about happiness with a warm gun and got shot. That
Nirvana guy sang "I don't have a gun..." and shot himself...
apparently they were both insane.

Why would someone getting shot make them insane?

 

[Eric]

Why would someone getting shot make them insane?

If someone sang those words, "Happiness is a warm gun. Bang, bang, shoot,
shoot. Happiness is a, YEAH, warm gun, bang, bang, shoot, shoot", I'd call
them insane.
Sure target shooting can be fun, but the real purpose of a gun is to kill.
Killing animals for food or to save them from overpopulation, or killing as
a soldier or in self defense, is a necessary evil. No one should ever be
happy to kill.
If he sang those words to his fans, it's no surprise someone shot him.

 

[Guest]

ummmmm the Beatles song iin question used a warm "gun" as an anology for
something entirely different. "... when I hold you ... in my arms ... with
my finger on your trigger ..." or something along those lines. Listen to the
song again sometime-- especially to pronounciation of the word "gun". It's
really rather adult in nature. ;-)

Happy "shooting" LOL
Mark

 

[ANONYMOUS]

Knowing someone's email is not enough to know the person's residential
address unless the ISP is stupid enough to divulge people's addressess
without the person's concent.

I too have hotmail filters but it is virtually impossible to block every
emails because this would also block the emails from perople you want to
talk!

hth

 

[ANONYMOUS]

The good thing is that in America you
can still own a gun/rifle/shot-gun, so you can protect yourself against
people trying to get into your home/space.

Can somebody tell our Mr. Blair (PM of UK) that we the victims also have
human rights not only the villains! We are not allowed to use more than
a reasonabl force to protect ourselves but I would like to use a
"gun/rifle/shot-gun" to protect my property and family from harm!

No wonder America is more advanced than any other country on this
planet.

 

[Gaoler]

If someone sang those words, "Happiness is a warm gun. Bang, bang, shoot,
shoot. Happiness is a, YEAH, warm gun, bang, bang, shoot, shoot", I'd call
them insane.
Sure target shooting can be fun, but the real purpose of a gun is to kill.
Killing animals for food or to save them from overpopulation, or killing as
a soldier or in self defense, is a necessary evil. No one should ever be
happy to kill.
If he sang those words to his fans, it's no surprise someone shot him.

Besides, he probably convinced them that happiness is a warm gun.

 

[Rhonda Lea Kirk]

in message

The thread title is OT (off topic).

Yes, and now my OT thread has been hijacked and totally derailed.

That's all you have to say about
it? Nice way to admit you're wrong.

Well, if the desire not to further hijack an already OT thread is an
admission that he's wrong, then my similar "admission" must be the same.
And since he and I disagree, our respective "admissions" must cancel
each other's out.

Now what are you going to do?

I've got a great idea. Why don't you just drop the subject. This
discussion doesn't belong in this group, and there are plenty of other
ngs where it is debated day after day. You don't need this thread in
which to do it.

Much appreciated,

rl
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Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff

 

[Leythos]

Since then, more pansies have adopted the idea that if they never let their
child touch their weapon, the child will pretend the weapon doesn't exist.
Since then, more pacifists have adopted the idea that if they don't own a
gun, they won't have to worry about their children getting their hands on
one or any of their family getting shot, while their children's friends and
the criminals are still likely to have guns.

I was going to say the same, but you did a great job. The more people
teach their kids that guns are evil, more likely criminals are to end up
being the only ones with guns - and what will criminals fear from people
that have no guns?

 

[NoStop]

Can somebody tell our Mr. Blair (PM of UK) that we the victims also have
human rights not only the villains! We are not allowed to use more than
a reasonabl force to protect ourselves but I would like to use a
"gun/rifle/shot-gun" to protect my property and family from harm!

No wonder America is more advanced than any other country on this
planet.

Yep, that became patently clear at Columbine High School.


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[NoStop]

I will always make an exception for you, Kurt.

Are you suggesting Kurttrail is your favorite psychotic?

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[Rhonda Lea Kirk]

Are you suggesting Kurttrail is your favorite psychotic?

<laughing> Indeed he is.

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[Alias]

I never listened to the Beatles. Did they really say that? How ironic.
Lennon sang about happiness with a warm gun and got shot. That Nirvana guy
sang "I don't have a gun..." and shot himself... apparently they were both
insane.

You don't understand the song. It is an anti gun song. Ever hear of
sarcasm? I guess I'm getting old as there are actually people who have
never heard this song. Here's all the lyrics:

Beatles, The - Happiness Is A Warm Gun Lyrics

(Lennon/McCartney)

She's not a girl who misses much

Do do do do do do do do, oh yeah

She's well acquainted with the touch of the velvet hand

Like a lizard on a window pane

The man in the crowd with the multicoloured mirrors

On his hobnail boots

Lying with his eyes while his hands are busy

Working overtime

A soap impression of his wife which he ate

And donated to the National Trust



Down

I need a fix cos I'm going down

Down to the bits that I left uptown

I need a fix cos I'm going down



Mother Superior jump the gun

Mother Superior jump the gun

Mother Superior jump the gun

Mother Superior jump the gun

Mother Superior jump the gun

Mother Superior jump the gun



Happiness is a warm gun (Happiness bang, bang, shoot, shoot)

Happiness is a warm gun, mama (Happiness bang, bang, shoot,
shoot)

When I hold you in my arms (Oo-oo oh yeah)

And I feel my finger on your trigger (Oo-oo oh yeah)

I know no one can do me no harm (Oo-oo oh yeah)

Because happiness is a warm gun, mama (Happiness bang, bang,
shoot, shoot)

Happiness is a warm gun, yes it is (Happiness bang, bang, shoot,
shoot)

Happiness is a warm, yes it is, gun (Happiness bang, bang,
shoot, shoot)

Well, don't you know happiness is a warm gun, mama? (Happiness
is a warm gun, yeah)

Alias

 

[antioch]

You don't understand the song. It is an anti gun song. Ever hear of
sarcasm? I guess I'm getting old as there are actually people who have
never heard this song. Here's all the lyrics:

Beatles, The - Happiness Is A Warm Gun Lyrics

(Lennon/McCartney)

She's not a girl who misses much

Do do do do do do do do, oh yeah

She's well acquainted with the touch of the velvet hand

Like a lizard on a window pane

The man in the crowd with the multicoloured mirrors

On his hobnail boots

Lying with his eyes while his hands are busy

Working overtime

A soap impression of his wife which he ate

And donated to the National Trust



Down

I need a fix cos I'm going down

Down to the bits that I left uptown

I need a fix cos I'm going down



Mother Superior jump the gun

Mother Superior jump the gun

Mother Superior jump the gun

Mother Superior jump the gun

Mother Superior jump the gun

Mother Superior jump the gun



Happiness is a warm gun (Happiness bang, bang, shoot, shoot)

Happiness is a warm gun, mama (Happiness bang, bang, shoot,
shoot)

When I hold you in my arms (Oo-oo oh yeah)

And I feel my finger on your trigger (Oo-oo oh yeah)

I know no one can do me no harm (Oo-oo oh yeah)

Because happiness is a warm gun, mama (Happiness bang, bang,
shoot, shoot)

Happiness is a warm gun, yes it is (Happiness bang, bang, shoot,
shoot)

Happiness is a warm, yes it is, gun (Happiness bang, bang,
shoot, shoot)

Well, don't you know happiness is a warm gun, mama? (Happiness
is a warm gun, yeah)

Alias

Sorry Alias - but you also have misinterpreted that song.
I do not know how old you are, but when this song was first released, in the
mid to late 60's, there was some argument as to whether it should be 'played
on radio' due to its obvious sexual connotations.
Read then again, this time with a 'smutty mind engaged' - see what I mean

Antioch
P.S.
You get no help engaging the your mind!

 

[Alias]

Sorry Alias - but you also have misinterpreted that song.
I do not know how old you are, but when this song was first released, in the
mid to late 60's, there was some argument as to whether it should be 'played
on radio' due to its obvious sexual connotations.
Read then again, this time with a 'smutty mind engaged' - see what I mean

Antioch

Oh, there's sex too. I'm almost 60. I bought the White Album when it
came out. It uses sex to make the point about how gun fanatics "love"
their guns and how they are penis substitutes.

Alias

 

[RA]

If someone sang those words, "Happiness is a warm gun. Bang, bang,
shoot, shoot. Happiness is a, YEAH, warm gun, bang, bang, shoot,
shoot", I'd call them insane.
Sure target shooting can be fun, but the real purpose of a gun is to
kill. Killing animals for food or to save them from overpopulation,
or killing as a soldier or in self defense, is a necessary evil. No
one should ever be happy to kill.
If he sang those words to his fans, it's no surprise someone shot him.

Why would he sing those words that you made up in your silly little head?
Are you saying he was insane and deserved to be shot because of words you
wrote nearly 26 years after his death?

 

[kurttrail]

Drop the sanctimonious crap, people all over the world kill people,
and they do it with all sorts of weapons. It doesn't matter if the
country allows gun ownership or not, people still get the best weapon
they can and use it to kill with.

It's a simple fact that if you Ban guns, criminals will be the only
ones with Guns, and killing with Guns will not stop. I would rather
have my guns to defend my family than to be stuck at the wrong end of
one when a criminal has one, or when some terror group comes after
our family and friends or when some other group....

Well I believe in the 2nd Amendment, but countries with tight gun
controls or bans, have way less deaths by guns per capita than countries
that don't.

What you call a "simple fact," is merely BS.

That's all I have to say on this OT thread.

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