OT: Unsolicted Email from NG Participants

[jt3]

Just for the record, amen to all that you said below, both Steve N. and
Rhonda Lea Kirk. Don't think anyone has said it any more persuasively.

Joe

 

[Steve N.]

Just for the record, amen to all that you said below, both Steve N. and
Rhonda Lea Kirk. Don't think anyone has said it any more persuasively.

Joe

Thanks Joe.

Steve N.

 

[Steve N.]

Alright, after a bit of thought, here goes...

Maybe it's different in the Navy.

Very different. We fought with our brains and talents.

They weren't worried about anyone
boarding your ship?

Have you ever seen an aircraft carrier or know anything about the
technology onboard a carier or its compliment of aircraft and other
ships? Even back in the 70s they'd know someone was coming from over 500
miles away. Your imaginary boarding party would never get there. And you
know how the USN would handle it? No weapons fired. Just a couple of
nice and friendly fighter planes and/or a destroyer quietly escorting
them away.

I believe everyone is given a weapon in the Army.

I wasn't in the Army, I thought I made that clear. I made my choice,
which apparently eludes you. I did not wish to kill anyone and I did not
wish to be killed by anyone. I felt the conviction to _do_ something
about it and I acted on it. I am extremely proud to have helped the Viet
Nam war come to an end. You should be greatful, maybe I saved your daddy.

Regardless, the point
stands. You either own and use a gun or support and trust someone else to.

No, I trust my brain, my mind, my convictions and my experiences.
If someone invades my home I know how to deal with it and I don't need
weapons for that, so stop trying to scare me into buying into your
twisted agenda.

The government _steals_ quite a bit of my earnings against my will in
order to support very many things I don't agree with. Why? Because I
obey the law. Once again, taxation without representation. Boston Tea
Party comes to mind.

Polititions are thieves and liars. I work, I pay taxes and I vote. I do
my best to keep my family healthy, no thanks to you or the government,
might I add. I voluntarily put in three of the best years of my life to
help protect my country and bring a stupid war that was killing of most
of my high school buddies (and maybe your daddy) to an end. What the
hell have you done for me?

Now be a good boy, go play with your cap-guns over at Lamethos' house
and leave the rest of us alone so we can get back to helping people with
computer problems.

Steve N.

 

[Bob I]

Humm, I think you forgot about the Marines you had aboard.

 

[Steve N.]

Humm, I think you forgot about the Marines you had aboard.

No I didn't. They weren't worth mentioning, they're just for show. The
only think I ever saw the jarheads do was gaurd the nuclear weapons we
didn't have onboard while they were being taken below decks everytime we
pulled into a foriegn port that forbade their presence. The rest of the
time they just stood around looking good in their fancy uniforms while
the rest of us worked.

Steve N.

 

[Leythos]

No I didn't. They weren't worth mentioning, they're just for show. The
only think I ever saw the jarheads do was gaurd the nuclear weapons we
didn't have onboard while they were being taken below decks everytime we
pulled into a foriegn port that forbade their presence. The rest of the
time they just stood around looking good in their fancy uniforms while
the rest of us worked.

I was on a Carrier (CV-59) for a long time, and the Marines were just
there to keep the silver (nukes) safe. Calling a Red-Diamons Alert was
always fun - just watching them jump out of their hole and run down the
passageways, knocking anyone in the way out of the way

Between the Jets, Radar, Sea Sparrows, and the escort ships, very little
could get near the Carrier - the only real threat was the hey-joes and
locals that worked on the boat while we were in port.

 

[Steve N.]

I was on a Carrier (CV-59) for a long time, and the Marines were just
there to keep the silver (nukes) safe. Calling a Red-Diamons Alert was
always fun - just watching them jump out of their hole and run down the
passageways, knocking anyone in the way out of the way

Between the Jets, Radar, Sea Sparrows, and the escort ships, very little
could get near the Carrier - the only real threat was the hey-joes and
locals that worked on the boat while we were in port.

You evade points right and left a divert issues when presented with
facts, as usual. You insulted me beyond belief and I won't forget it.

"You didn't need a gun/weapon because others were willing to make the
sacrifice for you."

I showed you different and you owe me an apology or at least an
admission of being wrong. But you obviously hold yourself in too high
esteem to stoop to being honest.

Steve N.

 

[Rhonda Lea Kirk]

You evade points right and left a divert issues when presented with
facts, as usual. You insulted me beyond belief and I won't forget it.

"You didn't need a gun/weapon because others were willing to make the
sacrifice for you."

I showed you different and you owe me an apology or at least an
admission of being wrong. But you obviously hold yourself in too high
esteem to stoop to being honest.

Dear Steve,

When first I ran afoul of him, I thought he was just...not a troll
exactly, but something of a contrary b@stard.

Then I realized he is one of those people who misinterprets the product
of his emotions as logical thought. He free-associates his answers,
unable to parse the internal logic, because it's all perfectly sensible
to him as is. Worse, he expects everyone uses the same filters he does,
so he thinks it should be sensible to the rest of us. Once I understood
that, I put some effort into trying to understand what he meant, not
what he said, and it made communication a lot easier.

In a crisis, I believe he is the sort of guy you would want at your
back, because he can be counted on to do what needs to be done. Just
don't try to discuss the underlying philosophy with him afterward, or
you're likely to end up beating him with a stick.

Unfortunately, as you have seen, when he is presented with certain kinds
of facts, he does not know how to order his response, so he resorts to
personal attacks and insults, based on his misinterpretation of those
facts. In this case, you put forth a position that, to him, meant you
could not have seen military service, so he treated you like the
civilian he thinks you must be.

I have seen him apologize, once, in another group, but I can't remember
why, so I don't know if an apology in this case fits into his world
view.

One can only hope.

rl
--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff

 

[Steve N.]

Steve N. wrote:




Dear Steve,

When first I ran afoul of him, I thought he was just...not a troll
exactly, but something of a contrary b@stard.

Then I realized he is one of those people who misinterprets the product
of his emotions as logical thought. He free-associates his answers,
unable to parse the internal logic, because it's all perfectly sensible
to him as is. Worse, he expects everyone uses the same filters he does,
so he thinks it should be sensible to the rest of us. Once I understood
that, I put some effort into trying to understand what he meant, not
what he said, and it made communication a lot easier.

In a crisis, I believe he is the sort of guy you would want at your
back, because he can be counted on to do what needs to be done. Just
don't try to discuss the underlying philosophy with him afterward, or
you're likely to end up beating him with a stick.

Unfortunately, as you have seen, when he is presented with certain kinds
of facts, he does not know how to order his response, so he resorts to
personal attacks and insults, based on his misinterpretation of those
facts. In this case, you put forth a position that, to him, meant you
could not have seen military service, so he treated you like the
civilian he thinks you must be.

I have seen him apologize, once, in another group, but I can't remember
why, so I don't know if an apology in this case fits into his world
view.

One can only hope.

rl

Thanks Rhonda. I appreciate your reply.

I'm sorry, but my impression is that Leythos is a pompous,
self-righteous, assuming punk. I am surprised he ever has apologized to
anyone for anything and I wouldn't trust him to kiss my ass without
biting it.

Steve N.

 

[kurttrail]

Thanks Rhonda. I appreciate your reply.

I'm sorry, but my impression is that Leythos is a pompous,
self-righteous, assuming punk. I am surprised he ever has apologized
to anyone for anything and I wouldn't trust him to kiss my ass without
biting it.

Steve N.

Yep. I have to agree with you on this one, except I would have used
"prick" in place of "punk."

--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."

 

[Leythos]

I'm sorry, but my impression is that Leythos is a pompous,
self-righteous, assuming punk. I am surprised he ever has apologized to
anyone for anything and I wouldn't trust him to kiss my ass without
biting it.

And other than suckering me into another reply to a troll, you've still
not shown where I was wrong.

Unlike you, I ALWAYS ADMIT when I'm wrong, but you've not come close to
proving anything, except that you're not mature enough to hold a
discussion.

 

[Steve N.]

And other than suckering me into another reply to a troll,

I just love the way some people toss around the name "troll" around here
whenever someone disagrees with them or proves them wrong. Too funny. Do
you feel like a big man now for calling me a troll?

you've still
not shown where I was wrong.

The obvious escapes you. I can't believe how dense you are.

Unlike you, I ALWAYS ADMIT when I'm wrong, but you've not come close to
proving anything, except that you're not mature enough to hold a
discussion.

Check my posting history here. I have always admitted when I am wrong
and I welcome correction because I enjoy learning.

Steve N.

 

[kurttrail]

And other than suckering me into another reply to a troll,

The only troll in this thread is you, Lamegirl.

you've
still not shown where I was wrong.

Oh, yes he has.

Unlike you, I ALWAYS ADMIT when I'm wrong, but you've not come close
to proving anything, except that you're not mature enough to hold a
discussion.

So when are you gonna admit that you were wrong to think that Iraq had
massive stockpiles of WMDs in 2003?

--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."

 

[Steve N.]

Steve N. wrote:




Yep. I have to agree with you on this one, except I would have used
"prick" in place of "punk."

Thanks for the correction, Kurt.

Steve N.

 

[Rhonda Lea Kirk]

I just love the way some people toss around the name "troll" around
here whenever someone disagrees with them or proves them wrong. Too
funny. Do you feel like a big man now for calling me a troll?

I have no doubt that he sincerely believes you are a troll.

The obvious escapes you. I can't believe how dense you are.

I wouldn't call him "dense," although it's certainly appears to be
exactly that.

In fact, he's one of those guys who, upon coming in possession of facts
that do not fit his theory, discards those facts as being irrelevant.

After all, whatever his gut has told him must be the correct conclusion.

Check my posting history here. I have always admitted when I am wrong
and I welcome correction because I enjoy learning.

Steve, everyone but Leythos knows you're not a troll, and, moreover,
that you are, in fact, a very helpful and knowledgeable poster here, not
to mention that you are obviously mentally-healthy. But now that he's
made up his mind, it wouldn't matter if you saved the world one-handed,
because his thought-process is totally inelastic. I was really hoping
he'd see reason before it got this far.

rl
--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff

 

[kurttrail]

I have no doubt that he sincerely believes you are a troll.


I wouldn't call him "dense," although it's certainly appears to be
exactly that.

In fact, he's one of those guys who, upon coming in possession of
facts that do not fit his theory, discards those facts as being
irrelevant.
After all, whatever his gut has told him must be the correct
conclusion.


Steve, everyone but Leythos knows you're not a troll, and, moreover,
that you are, in fact, a very helpful and knowledgeable poster here,
not to mention that you are obviously mentally-healthy. But now that
he's made up his mind, it wouldn't matter if you saved the world
one-handed, because his thought-process is totally inelastic. I was
really hoping he'd see reason before it got this far.

rl

Reason and Leythos are mutually exclusive.

--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."

 

[Steve N.]

I have no doubt that he sincerely believes you are a troll.

No he doesn't, he's just lashing out because I proved him wrong about me
and exposed his assinine assumptions. We've communicated a fair amount
here in the past. He knows I'm no troll. However I tend to usually stay
out of most discussions with him because I know it's fruitless, but this
one was too insulting for me to let slide.

I wouldn't call him "dense," although it's certainly appears to be
exactly that.

I'd call him a lot of other things but I figured it be better to remain
as civil as the situation allows.

In fact, he's one of those guys who, upon coming in possession of facts
that do not fit his theory, discards those facts as being irrelevant.

Yep. You hit the nail squarely on the head.

After all, whatever his gut has told him must be the correct conclusion.

Heh. I think you're right.

Steve, everyone but Leythos knows you're not a troll, and, moreover,
that you are, in fact, a very helpful and knowledgeable poster here, not
to mention that you are obviously mentally-healthy.

I thank you for the nice words, Rhonda. I think you're pretty darn good,
too, for the very same reasons.

But now that he's
made up his mind, it wouldn't matter if you saved the world one-handed,
because his thought-process is totally inelastic. I was really hoping
he'd see reason before it got this far.

rl

Yeah, well I guess that's Leythos for you. I don't recall him ever
seeing reason when confronted.

For his sake I hope he doesn't insult someone's honor in real life as he
has mine here; he'd likely wind up in the ER. I doubt he'd learn from it
though, so what would be the point? It'd be a waste of energy to kick
his ass, even though he deserves it.

Steve N.

 

[Steve N.]

Leythos wrote:




The only troll in this thread is you, Lamegirl.




Oh, yes he has.

Damn right I did. The pompous chicken-sh!t will never admit it, though.

So when are you gonna admit that you were wrong to think that Iraq had
massive stockpiles of WMDs in 2003?

LOL! Never, that's when. Leythos lives on his own fantasy island. He
wouldn't know reality if it bitch-slapped him all the way back to the
primordial sludge-pond we all came from.

Steve N.

 

[Leythos]

In fact, he's one of those guys who, upon coming in possession of facts
that do not fit his theory, discards those facts as being irrelevant.

After all, whatever his gut has told him must be the correct conclusion.

I have NEVER worked on "Gut" feelings, and in fact several tests in fact
fault that area, as I'm overly clinical and very fact driven. I would
say that I've looked at the information posted, don't apply FUD to it
like most of you, and also have not seen where my conclusions are even
close to being wrong.

If you don't like my conclusion then you might want to reconsider your
conclusion, as I always reassess the issue each time a fact is
presented.

What appears to be the problem here is a result of unvalidated so-called
factual information, and while I disagree, because nothing has proven my
information wrong, I don't get all bent out of shape like you and the
troll does. I didn't take the OT thread more OT, I just replied to him
already taking it down another path.

If you post facts that I can validate, and I agree with them, I will say
I made a mistake - that's the way I work.

I never dismiss anything that proves me wrong, but I don't accept FUD as
facts either. Give the real facts and I'll say you're right, give me BS
and I'll call you on it.

 

[Leythos]

but this
one was too insulting for me to let slide.

I figured you tossed the first insult, so I repayed it in kind - and if
you consider trolling to be an insult, then you should be insulted as
you've been trolling for several posts in this thread.