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[James]

If MS starts charging for MWAS, then it is highway robbery.

They created the opportunity of the growth of the spyware problem with
years of ignoring security in both Windows and IE.

It would be like a scientist that creates a virus in the lab, releases
though sheer negligence, all to charge for alleviating the symptoms
only, while it should have prevented its release to begin with, and
being giving out a true cure for free!

I disagree. Microsoft do not create viruses. They build a very, very
good operating system. It's not perfect, but then nothing is. You want
perfection? Where are you going to find this? It doesn't exist. When I
purchased my Mustange back in 67, it did not have many of the safety
features that my Toyota has today. And today's Toyota will be severely
lacking in a couple of years. There simply is no way for Microsoft to
produce sotware that is infallible. Once it is out the door, some
pimply-faced punk will have found a way to hack it. That's life and I
don't intend to lay the blame on Microsoft. Rather I lay the blame where
it belongs: the punk.

Like I said before, if you find Microsoft such a terrible company with
which to do business, take your business elsewhere. It's really quite
simple. I happen to prefer Windows. I have had nearly every version to
date and I intend to purchase this newest version when it becomes
available.

I'll tell you what I think. It seems to me that some people have too
much time on their hands (not naming names now... lol) and just love to
join the bash Microsoft wagon since it's a popular "in" thing to do.

 

[James]

Yes, they are and your crying outloud about it doesn't make it not so.




Yes, they are.




Not really. Linux is not an viable alternative and Mac's OS won't work on my
PCs.




MS is forcing me to buy Windows. Ergo, highway robbery. Not only am I forced
to buy Windows, I am forced to activate and validate it and who knows what
is next to keep it up-to-date.




It has nothing to with what is in vogue, although your comments most
certainly do on these newsgroups.

Alias

Not really. This IS a Microsoft newsgroup and I would expect that most
who come here come either to get help or to offer help. Pouring scorn
and contempt on Microsoft, it seems to me, is juvenile behavior.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

How is Microsoft forcing you to buy anything?
Your circumstances may have determined you need to buy Windows, but that is
your choice and not Microsoft's.
You can change your circumstances and thus your dependencies.

 

[Alias]

Not really. This IS a Microsoft newsgroup and I would expect that most who
come here come either to get help or to offer help. Pouring scorn and
contempt on Microsoft, it seems to me, is juvenile behavior.

You can't address the issues so you come back with a trusty old ad hominem
attack, eh? How infantile and amateurish. I never said I was unhappy with
Windows. I love Windows. I said I was unhappy with the HIGH price and that
it's highway robbery and the only thing you can come up with is a lying
insult.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Unlike techies like you, I am not smart enough to figure out Linux and not
rich enough -- like you -- to buy a Mac. Sooooooo, my only alternative is
Windows and I am forced to pay their high prices and I don't like it. I
don't like the assumption that I have a pirated version until I prove
otherwise either.

Are you saying that it is the customer's responsibilty to be happy with the
product's prices and policies, not the manufacturer?

Alias

 

[kurttrail]

Not really. This IS a Microsoft newsgroup and I would expect that most
who come here come either to get help or to offer help. Pouring scorn
and contempt on Microsoft, it seems to me, is juvenile behavior.

If it was undeserved. MS doesn't get a fraction of the scorn and
contempt it deserves.

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[James]

You can't address the issues so you come back with a trusty old ad hominem
attack, eh? How infantile and amateurish. I never said I was unhappy with
Windows. I love Windows. I said I was unhappy with the HIGH price and that
it's highway robbery and the only thing you can come up with is a lying
insult.

Alias

Nonsense. You get what you pay for in this world. Microsoft products are
reasonably priced and if you LOVE Windows, you will PAY for it. It is
NOT highway robbery since you are NOT FORCED to purchase it. There are
FREE alternatives. That is the long and short of it. Period. You don't
like them apples? No one is forcing you to make the purchase. There are
no lies here... no insults. I'm dealing in reality which you're refusing
to face. In truth it is YOU who are dealing in lies, insults and ad
hominems.

 

[James]

Unlike techies like you, I am not smart enough to figure out Linux and not
rich enough -- like you -- to buy a Mac. Sooooooo, my only alternative is
Windows and I am forced to pay their high prices and I don't like it. I
don't like the assumption that I have a pirated version until I prove
otherwise either.

Are you saying that it is the customer's responsibilty to be happy with the
product's prices and policies, not the manufacturer?

Alias

I'm sure Jupiter can speak for himself but the truth of the matter is he
is simply saying that if you don't like the pricing scheme... DON'T PAY
IT. PERIOD. What is so difficult to grasp here? No one is forcing you to
upgrade to the next OS. If you want to stay with the OS you have now...
do it. It's not going to cost you anything to continue as you are. If
you don't like the idea that MS will tie this beta software into their
new OS making it unavailable to you as a freebie... there are many free
alternatives (Ad-aware, Spybot, Spyblaster). No problem as far as I can
see. When you've saved your sheckles, then you can upgrade. There is no
robbery here... only in your imagination. You're too used to going for a
free ride on someone else's ticket. Time to pay like the rest of us IF
you want to enjoy what is available.

 

[James]

If it was undeserved. MS doesn't get a fraction of the scorn and
contempt it deserves.

Kurt, you're a well-known malcontent. Your only saving grace is that you
occasionally provide a laugh. Other than that, I would venture to say
that most readers of this newsgroup have either filtered you into
oblivion or dismissed you as yet another belly-acher, albeit a more
obsessive-compulsive one.

 

[kurttrail]

I disagree. Microsoft do not create viruses.

So you give them a pass on all the years, more than a decade, of
ignoring security? MS through their arogance, stupidity, and negligence
created the breading ground for malware to become so prevelent. Is
there spyware for the MAC? Linux? UNIX?

They build a very, very
good operating system. It's not perfect, but then nothing is. You want
perfection? Where are you going to find this? It doesn't exist. When I
purchased my Mustange back in 67, it did not have many of the safety
features that my Toyota has today. And today's Toyota will be severely
lacking in a couple of years. There simply is no way for Microsoft to
produce sotware that is infallible. Once it is out the door, some
pimply-faced punk will have found a way to hack it. That's life and I
don't intend to lay the blame on Microsoft. Rather I lay the blame
where it belongs: the punk.

I blame both! MS is cupable for its neglecting security for over a
decade!

Like I said before, if you find Microsoft such a terrible company
with which to do business, take your business elsewhere. It's really
quite simple. I happen to prefer Windows. I have had nearly every
version to date and I intend to purchase this newest version when it
becomes available.

No it's not simple. MS is a proven predatory monopoly and I'd have to
give up my much of my hardware and all of my software that I've bought
over the last decade. So because MS is a scumbag company, I'm just
supposed to thow away my investment over the last decade? I think not.
But I do have a Linux computer too, though it isn't a powerhouse, and I
will be moving to Linux slowly. So until I am able to totally moved to
Linux, I will continue to used and abuse Windows.

I'll tell you what I think.

You don't sound like you do think for yourself. You obviously are
totally Pro-MS even though MS is a proven predatory monopoly, and patent
infringer. Do you often associate yourself with known law-breaking
corporations?

It seems to me that some people have too
much time on their hands (not naming names now... lol) and just love
to join the bash Microsoft wagon since it's a popular "in" thing to
do.

LOL! I know MS's history. I give MS credit for all of its mistakes,
stupidity, lies, negligence, and law-breaking. Why do you feel it
necessary to give them a pass on it all?

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[kurttrail]

Kurt, you're a well-known malcontent.

Only to those that are MicroSycophants.

Your only saving grace is that
you occasionally provide a laugh. Other than that, I would venture to
say that most readers of this newsgroup have either filtered you into
oblivion or dismissed you as yet another belly-acher, albeit a more
obsessive-compulsive one.

Actually, I say that there are more people that have kill-filed me only
to starting reading my posts again, than people that have me in their
kill-files right now.

I make too much sense to ignore for long. Plus, I'm just too charming
for my own good.

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[kurttrail]

I'm sure Jupiter can speak for himself but the truth of the matter is
he is simply saying that if you don't like the pricing scheme...
DON'T PAY IT. PERIOD. What is so difficult to grasp here? No one is
forcing you to upgrade to the next OS. If you want to stay with the
OS you have now... do it. It's not going to cost you anything to
continue as you are. If you don't like the idea that MS will tie this
beta software into their new OS making it unavailable to you as a
freebie... there are many free alternatives (Ad-aware, Spybot,
Spyblaster). No problem as far as I can see. When you've saved your
sheckles, then you can upgrade. There is no robbery here... only in
your imagination. You're too used to going for a free ride on someone
else's ticket. Time to pay like the rest of us IF you want to enjoy
what is available.

Since MWAS is such flawed bloatware, I hope you are running it.

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[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Your only alternative is Windows because you discount all other options.
If I hated Windows and Microsoft as much as you seem, I would not use
either.
If that choice would cost me $, so be it.
I have lost out on $ before solely on principal and have little doubt it
will happen again.
I guess another factor is where you place your priorities.
You set your priorities.
After that you make your choice.
It still comes down to your choice.

You made the choice of Mac or PC and apparently chose PC.

Just because you eliminate all other options by your choice, does not mean
Microsoft forces you to buy Microsoft.
You chose to eliminate the other options.

As for "Are you saying that it is the customer's responsibility to be
happy..."
I never said that, those are your words.
I am not happy with prices of various items.
And in that case, I find options.
I do not continue using what I hate as you choose to do.

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[kurttrail]

Your only alternative is Windows because you discount all other
options. If I hated Windows and Microsoft as much as you seem, I
would not use either.
If that choice would cost me $, so be it.
I have lost out on $ before solely on principal and have little doubt
it will happen again.
I guess another factor is where you place your priorities.
You set your priorities.
After that you make your choice.
It still comes down to your choice.

You made the choice of Mac or PC and apparently chose PC.

Just because you eliminate all other options by your choice, does not
mean Microsoft forces you to buy Microsoft.
You chose to eliminate the other options.

As for "Are you saying that it is the customer's responsibility to be
happy..."
I never said that, those are your words.
I am not happy with prices of various items.
And in that case, I find options.
I do not continue using what I hate as you choose to do.

And you totally discount the monopoly hold that MS has on people over
years, decade or more in some cases. It isn't just a choice of MS v.
Mac, or MS v. Linux, in reality. It is MS, all the hardware and
software you've bought over the year, and your years of computer
eductation, v. MAC, new expensive hardware & software, and more years to
unlearn aand relearn a different way of computing.

But you have no concept of reality, so I don't expect you to understand.

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[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

My perception of reality does not ignore the choices I make and have
available as yours seems.
Technology is changing very rapidly so learning is always necessary.
If you or someone else choose to learn the changes in the old technology or
take the time to learn another, it is still your choice.
As for the hardware, most of it needs to be replaced eventually.
If you choose to replace with similar, that is your choice and not
Microsoft's or anyone else's.
If what you suggest were true, you would not hear of people switching
technologies as we do.

So continue to ignore the choices people have, it fits with your agenda of
having others ignore their choices and instead blame all their problems on
Microsoft.

 

[Ron Martell]

I mean why should one of the most expensive things on your computer be the
OS? A retail version is even more expensive than a TFT monitor! It's highway
robbery.

Then write your own OS that is the equivalent of Windows, sell it for
less, and get rich quick.


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[Ron Martell]

Ron Martell wrote:



It is? That would be your opinion. Any AS that recommends ignoring
well-known spyware, is the top of my trash heap. And MWAS is the
slowest scanning, most resource hogging AS that I have ever used. As
for monitoring, I detects false postives. As for prevention, I wouldn't
know, since I never set off any AS real-time prevention program.

And it is just plain inexcusable to recommend a BETA product in a live
non-testing environment.

Nope. One of the major U.S. Computer Mags (P.C. World perhaps)
recently did a performance test of various antispyware apps, and
Microsoft Antispyware was rated #2.

Eric Howes did a test last fall that included Giant (just before the
Microsoft purchase), and he rated it as the best overall of any single
application. http://spywarewarrior.com/asw-test-guide.htm


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[kurttrail]

My perception of reality does not ignore the choices I make and have
available as yours seems.

LOL! Mine is reasonable approach. I am slowly moving to Linux, as I'm
not just throw my hardware and my software in the trash bin, to use a
computer less capable, on a OS platform I'm only in the beginning stages
of learning.

To just switch to another OS without being prepared for it would be the
ignorant way of switching.

Technology is changing very rapidly so learning is always necessary.

LOL! The difference between 2K and XP took less than an hour. The
difference between XP and Linux will take me a couple of years to get me
to the same place.

If you or someone else choose to learn the changes in the old
technology or take the time to learn another, it is still your choice.

And its one I've made, but it ain't gonna happen over night. I've a
decade of learning to become as knowledgable and proficient as I am on
the Windows platform. Taking a couple of years to switch to Linux is
hardly unreasonable.

As for the hardware, most of it needs to be replaced eventually.

That doesn't stop me for still using a scanner that I bought in 1996.
Or a floppy drive from around the same time.

If you choose to replace with similar, that is your choice and not
Microsoft's or anyone else's.

Linux video drivers still have a ways to go before reaching the
performance of Win Drivers. And since Linux in many ways is still more
a server OS than a desktop OS, many multimedia cards don't have full
support yet, and most that is manufacturers fault. But Linux is getting
better and more compatible over time. And I suspect that about the time
I ready to do the full switch, Linux will be more than capable of
running most of my multimedia components.

If what you suggest were true, you would not hear of people switching
technologies as we do.

And how many do you really here of? Of those you have, how many have
been done overnight? How many of those have switched back again because
they weren't ready?

I am an intelligent human being, and I'm not gonna switch until I'm
ready.

So continue to ignore the choices people have, it fits with your
agenda of having others ignore their choices and instead blame all
their problems on Microsoft.

FU! I blame MS for their actions and mis-deeds. Like throwing around
their anti-trust weight to compel hardware and software developers to be
MicroCentric.

You and your MicroApologist buddies find MS's totally without any blame
for anything.

It's nice to see that you changed my sig to a different letter. What a
child you are!

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[kurttrail]

Nope. One of the major U.S. Computer Mags (P.C. World perhaps)
recently did a performance test of various antispyware apps, and
Microsoft Antispyware was rated #2.

And much advertising revenue does this Mag rake in from MS? Given
enough money, I bet I could buy a whole TV network to do nothing but
promote George W. Bush as the Second Coming!

Eric Howes did a test last fall that included Giant (just before the
Microsoft purchase), and he rated it as the best overall of any single
application. http://spywarewarrior.com/asw-test-guide.htm

Oooooh! Eric Who?! Go to the Giant website, it is still up, you know.
See what it recommends for its users. And it ain't MWAS, for those that
can still download updates.

Beta software dude. Even if it was the next best thing since sliced
bread, Beta software should not be recommended for use by the average
user, and getting them used to using Betas. Its called Beta for a
reason, as a warning that it is NOT ready for use on mission critical
systems. Beta software is software that is in testing.

And MWAS is NOT that great from my own testing. It finds false
positives, it recommends users to ignore KNOWN spyware, and it is
totally bloated, just like the rest of MS's Middleware!

And since MS is at the very least for creating the environment that
allowed for the exponential growth of malware of all kinds after
negligently ignoring security in its OS development for over a decade, I
am smart enough not to rely of MS to treat the symptoms of the disease
they helped to grow!

And MS is the big fat target of malware writers around the world, and
the new ones are all looking to make their bones hitting the big fat
target of Microsoft.

But please, you and all your MicroFanatic buddies be my guest and rely
on MS to protect you computers!

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[kurttrail]

Then write your own OS that is the equivalent of Windows, sell it for
less, and get rich quick.

LOL! What a specious argument! A person could not develop a modern day
OS by themselves from scratch.

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