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Wow!! Has a Brit stirred up a hornet's nest or what?

Pardon me but am I right in thinking that the MS Beta Antispyware Prog. is
allowing the Giantantispyware prog, which is really spyware, to run and not
trying to stop it?
If this is the case my AdAware or Spybot progs. should clean it up but what
damage will have been done in the meantime?
What antispyware progs. that monitor constantly would you recommend?
Summing up, am I worse off running MS Antispy because it actually encourages
Giantantispy to run? or no worse off without the MS prog. because Giant might
or might not find me?
I am very confused.
 
Kerry said:
Technically it doesn't ignore Claria. It flags it and recommends that
the user ignore it.
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Thank you Mr. Bush for reclarifying that for us.

It is my opinion that anything worthy of being flag should be
recommended to be removed. MWAS is geared toward the people that
wouldn't know better, and will follow MS's recommendations.
This can be changed to remove or quarantine as
the user sees fit. I don't agree with this change but there is a lot
of disinformation being spread. It does warn the user that the
software may be spyware. Microsoft's assessment of the risk is the
problem. Claria has changed their software somewhat but most still
consider it spyware.
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And Claria isn't the only companies spyware that has been changed. MS
recommending ignoring of these spywares makes a joke out of calling MWAS
"antispyware." It would be more accurate to call it, Microsoft Windows
Not Always AntiSpyware.

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leonperrins said:
Wow!! Has a Brit stirred up a hornet's nest or what?

Pardon me but am I right in thinking that the MS Beta Antispyware
Prog. is allowing the Giantantispyware prog, which is really spyware,
to run and not trying to stop it?
If this is the case my AdAware or Spybot progs. should clean it up
but what damage will have been done in the meantime?
What antispyware progs. that monitor constantly would you recommend?
Summing up, am I worse off running MS Antispy because it actually
encourages Giantantispy to run? or no worse off without the MS prog.
because Giant might or might not find me?
I am very confused.
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MWAS is Giant AS. MS bought it and is now perverting it. Will MWAS
hurt anything? Well it is beta software, and you should only use beta
software for testing puposes.

I use Spybot S&D, Adaware, and SpywareBlaster and have no spyware
problems, but then again, that would probably be the case even if I
didn't use them.

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Alias said:
No, for the time being my opinion is that MS are opportunists and are only
getting into the spyware removal business for the money, be it from
selling the program to allowing paying spyware customers to be ignored by
the scans and I think you will have to buy it once it's out of Beta and
the free testing for MS has been done. I never said they are selling it
now.
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The claim - iirc - is that it'll be free to Windows Genuine Advantage sheep.
But comme ci comme ca.


Shane
 
kurttrail said:
Thank you Mr. Bush for reclarifying that for us.
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I don't get the Bush reference here. My politics are very far left from any
of the Bush's. What does politics even have to do with the topic?
It is my opinion that anything worthy of being flag should be recommended
to be removed. MWAS is geared toward the people that wouldn't know
better, and will follow MS's recommendations.


And Claria isn't the only companies spyware that has been changed. MS
recommending ignoring of these spywares makes a joke out of calling MWAS
"antispyware." It would be more accurate to call it, Microsoft Windows
Not Always AntiSpyware.
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I am in total agreement with you here. MWAS is an excellent tool, one of the
best antispyware tools available. Unfortunately they have chosen to make it
"safe" for the general population so have limited it's effectivness. Those
who have a bit of knowledge and are willing to ignore the defaults will get
good results, most people using it will think they have cleaned their system
when they clearly haven't.

Kerry
 
Kerry said:
I don't get the Bush reference here. My politics are very far left
from any of the Bush's. What does politics even have to do with the
topic?
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By recommending ignoring Claria and other spywares by default, they have
basically reset MWAS to ignore these spywares, as the vast majority will
use MWAS.

It will only be the very few that will ignore MS's recommendation to
ignore, just like the vast majority of people that use Windows Update
install every single recommended update, whether they need it or not.

I felt you were quibbling like the Bush Admin quibbles over things.
I am in total agreement with you here. MWAS is an excellent tool, one
of the best antispyware tools available. Unfortunately they have
chosen to make it "safe" for the general population so have limited
it's effectivness. Those who have a bit of knowledge and are willing
to ignore the defaults will get good results, most people using it
will think they have cleaned their system when they clearly haven't.
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And it's the "most people" this anti-spyware tool is geared towards.
Knowledgable users use anti-spyware tools more for peace of mind, than
to prevent and clean up spyware on their own computers.

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Despite the droppings (not strong BTW) were entered in this program --
in my opinion, it is a strong tool. Once it got rid of spyware, which I
couldn't remove neither manually nor using AdAware and CWShredder (that
spyware used several cross-restoring files and Registry keys), in less
then 30 seconds.

Nobody force you use ONLY this program (and, of course, nobody force you
use this program at all) -- but I think, it is a good addendum to other
antispyware programs.

There is no perfection in our world.

--
Mikhail Zhilin
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
http://www.aha.ru/~mwz
Sorry, no technical support by e-mail.
Please reply to the newsgroups only.
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leonperrins said:
Wow!! Has a Brit stirred up a hornet's nest or what?

Pardon me but am I right in thinking that the MS Beta Antispyware Prog. is
allowing the Giantantispyware prog, which is really spyware, to run and not
trying to stop it?
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No. Giantantispyware is *part* of the Microsoft Antispyware program
itself. It is not spyware. It is a component of the system that has
not (yet?) been renamed. Microsoft purchased Giant Antispyware, made
some modifications to it and released it as Microsoft Antispyware.

If this is the case my AdAware or Spybot progs. should clean it up but what
damage will have been done in the meantime?
What antispyware progs. that monitor constantly would you recommend?
Click to expand...


Microsoft Antispyware, in spite of the recent changes regarding Claria
and some other products, is still at the top of the heap in terms of a
spyware monitoring and prevention program.

Summing up, am I worse off running MS Antispy because it actually encourages
Giantantispy to run? or no worse off without the MS prog. because Giant might
or might not find me?
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As I said, MS Antispy *is* Giantantispy and there is no need to be
concerned about that specific item.

Good luck


Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
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In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP
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Ron Martell wrote:

Microsoft Antispyware, in spite of the recent changes regarding Claria
and some other products, is still at the top of the heap in terms of a
spyware monitoring and prevention program.
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It is? That would be your opinion. Any AS that recommends ignoring
well-known spyware, is the top of my trash heap. And MWAS is the
slowest scanning, most resource hogging AS that I have ever used. As
for monitoring, I detects false postives. As for prevention, I wouldn't
know, since I never set off any AS real-time prevention program.

And it is just plain inexcusable to recommend a BETA product in a live
non-testing environment.

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A few months back (3-5) there was an article from a graduate college student
who was doing research on spyware. He mentioned a wrestling web sit (I wish
I had saved it's URL) that placed about 280 instances of malware on a
computer just by visiting and clicking on a couple of links.

Because I was Ghosted properly, I went there for shi*s-and-giggles.

WOW! Did the bells and whistles ever go off. I must have had about 2-3
hundred web pages open in about 15 seconds and all sorts of crap was trying
to install on my computer. SpyBot Tea Timer caught about 90% of it and I
could disallow it.

As I said, it was just for fun!

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Richard Urban
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Quote from: George Ankner
"If you knew as much as you thought you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!"
 
(-: LOL

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Quote from: George Ankner
"If you knew as much as you thought you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!"
 
Giving it away to the public beta testers -- yes. But I can promise you it
will be included in "VISTA". Then you have to pay for when you pay for
"VISTA". I can promise you MS does nothing that doesn't bring a profit. I
removed it when the def files defined my anti-virus (Trend-Micro) and my
firewall (Sygate) as spyware and shut both of them down and tried to remove
them. Wouldn't try it again. If forced to use "VISTA", in the future, I can
promise to disable MSAS, as well as any of the so called protection afforded
by their "firewall".
I am not anti-Microsoft, just a customer wanting what he was promised and
paid for ( 200 bucks this time around). A safe, reliable OS, that doesn't
crash all the time.
XP is not there yet. I don't think "VISTA" ( VISTA what was billy boy
thinking when he approved at) will be any different.

"old" devildog


: They are GIVING it away. They are selling nothing, so your comment is
: meaningless.
:
: --
: Regards,
:
: Richard Urban
: Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
:
: Quote from: George Ankner
: "If you knew as much as you thought you know,
: You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!"
:
: : > MS are opportunists. Selling anti spyware is lucrative. This is the only
: > motivation. Cleaning your computer of vermin has nothing to do with it.
: >
: > --
: > Alias
: >
: > Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me.
: > Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail.
: >
: > message : >> Sad, isn't it. I certainly hope they have a change of heart and develop
: >> some backbone to stand up against the infectors!
: >>
: >> --
: >> Regards,
: >>
: >> Richard Urban
: >> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
: >>
: >> Quote from: George Ankner
: >> "If you knew as much as you thought you know,
: >> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!"
: >>
message
: >> : >>> Richard Urban [MVP] wrote:
: >>>> I don't really think he wants to remove part of the Microsoft Anti
: >>>> Spyware beta program. It is there and running for a very good reason.
: >>>> If he removes it he won't be able to update his software, as the
: >>>> process depends upon that file. He just didn't know what it was. I
: >>>> guess many others don't either.
: >>>> When the final program is released I am certain that all file names
: >>>> will have been renamed appropriately.
: >>>
: >>> If you want your anti-spyware detecter to ignore very well known
: >>> spyware, then Microsoft Windows AntiSpyware is the product for you!
: >>>
: >>> When the final piece of sh*t is released, I am certain that even more
: >>> known spware will have been ignored inappropriately.
: >>>
: >>> --
: >>> Peace!
: >>> Kurt
: >>> Self-anointed Moderator
: >>> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
: >>> http://microscum.com/mscommunity
: >>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
: >>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
: >>>
: >>
: >>
: >
: >
:
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old" devildog said:
Giving it away to the public beta testers -- yes. But I can promise you it
will be included in "VISTA". Then you have to pay for when you pay for
"VISTA". I can promise you MS does nothing that doesn't bring a profit. I
removed it when the def files defined my anti-virus (Trend-Micro) and my
firewall (Sygate) as spyware and shut both of them down and tried to remove
them. Wouldn't try it again. If forced to use "VISTA", in the future, I can
promise to disable MSAS, as well as any of the so called protection afforded
by their "firewall".
I am not anti-Microsoft, just a customer wanting what he was promised and
paid for ( 200 bucks this time around). A safe, reliable OS, that doesn't
crash all the time.
XP is not there yet. I don't think "VISTA" ( VISTA what was billy boy
thinking when he approved at) will be any different.

"old" devildog
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And why shouldn't MS look to make a profit. It's called free enterprise.
It's the way we businesses operate. There are no free rides in this
life. I don't blame MS in the least for looking for ways to make money.
 
James said:
And why shouldn't MS look to make a profit. It's called free enterprise.
It's the way we businesses operate. There are no free rides in this life.
I don't blame MS in the least for looking for ways to make money.
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There's a difference between making money and highway robbery.

Alias
 
Alias said:
There's a difference between making money and highway robbery.

Alias
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I mean why should one of the most expensive things on your computer be the
OS? A retail version is even more expensive than a TFT monitor! It's highway
robbery.
 
Alias said:
There's a difference between making money and highway robbery.

Alias
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Oh don't be so silly. Highway robbery, indeed. For crying out loud. If
you don't want to purchase a new operating system, no one is forcing
you. If you don't like Microsoft's pricing structure, no one is forcing
you to stay with Microsoft. There are other alternative. Robbery is when
you are forced to surrender your goods. No one is forcing you to do
anything. But I've a feeling that you as well as several others here,
love to whine and complain about Microsoft. It's the "in" thing to do...
it's vogue. Right?
 
James said:
Oh don't be so silly. Highway robbery, indeed.
Indeed.

For crying out loud. If you don't want to purchase a new operating system,
no one is forcing you.
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Yes, they are and your crying outloud about it doesn't make it not so.
If you don't like Microsoft's pricing structure, no one is forcing you to
stay with Microsoft.
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Yes, they are.
There are other alternative.
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Not really. Linux is not an viable alternative and Mac's OS won't work on my
PCs.
Robbery is when you are forced to surrender your goods. No one is forcing
you to do anything.
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MS is forcing me to buy Windows. Ergo, highway robbery. Not only am I forced
to buy Windows, I am forced to activate and validate it and who knows what
is next to keep it up-to-date.
But I've a feeling that you as well as several others here, love to whine
and complain about Microsoft. It's the "in" thing to do... it's vogue.
Right?
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It has nothing to with what is in vogue, although your comments most
certainly do on these newsgroups.

Alias
 
James said:
Oh don't be so silly. Highway robbery, indeed. For crying out loud. If
you don't want to purchase a new operating system, no one is forcing
you. If you don't like Microsoft's pricing structure, no one is
forcing you to stay with Microsoft. There are other alternative.
Robbery is when you are forced to surrender your goods. No one is
forcing you to do anything. But I've a feeling that you as well as
several others here, love to whine and complain about Microsoft. It's
the "in" thing to do... it's vogue. Right?
Click to expand...

If MS starts charging for MWAS, then it is highway robbery.

They created the opportunity of the growth of the spyware problem with
years of ignoring security in both Windows and IE.

It would be like a scientist that creates a virus in the lab, releases
though sheer negligence, all to charge for alleviating the symptoms
only, while it should have prevented its release to begin with, and
being giving out a true cure for free!

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