movie maker update for mp4?

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Guest

Just found that I can't import mp4 files into Windows Movie Maker.

Can someone point me at an update for this: or do I have to use a different
prog?

Cheers,
S
 
M

meerkat

Spamlet said:
Just found that I can't import mp4 files into Windows Movie Maker.

Can someone point me at an update for this: or do I have to use a
different prog?

Cheers,
S
Hi S. go here, d/load and install VLC.
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

It`ll play most types of files without installing any more codecs etc.
 
G

Guest

meerkat said:
Hi S. go here, d/load and install VLC.
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

It`ll play most types of files without installing any more codecs etc.

Thanks Meerkat,

I already knew about vlc, but on this particular laptop I wanted to stick
with the basic progs if possible, and, having explained to the user how to
use MM with a batch of video I'd already converted, I was surprised when it
didn't recognise the mp4 format of another batch. Thought there must be an
update out there that the owner had missed.

Cheers,
S
 
P

pjp

Any Video Converter (Soundforge I do believe has it) converts just about any
format to any other. Convert it to what you're used to and proceed as
normal.
 
P

pjp

Bill in Co said:
You can download Any Video Converter (which is a freebie) from several
sites, but I'd be surprised if SoundForge has anything to do with it.

U R right of course, Sourceforge (think that's it?) is what I meant oops :(
 
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VanguardLH

Spamlet said:
Just found that I can't import mp4 files into Windows Movie Maker.

Can someone point me at an update for this: or do I have to use a different
prog?

Cheers,
S

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/316992
"Windows Media Player does not support the playback of the .mp4 file
format. You can play back .mp4 media files in Windows Media Player when
you install DirectShow-compatible MPEG-4 decoder packs."

That KB article mentions the Envivio TV MPEG-4 decoder. I had that at
one time (it's probably on a CD in storage somewhere). It was free at
one time but no longer.

You'll need to install an MPEG-4 decoder that WMP can use. I suppose
the K-Lite pac from freecodec.com would work; else, get the FFDshow
decoder from there.
 
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Greg Russell

In
VanguardLH said:
....
"Windows Media Player does not support the playback of the .mp4 file
format. ..."

<sigh> WMM != WMP; "Lerning 2 rede is gud!"
 
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VanguardLH

Greg said:
VanguardLH typed:



<sigh> WMM != WMP; "Lerning 2 rede is gud!"

WMM can decompress (for import) the same file formats that WMP can open.
However, I thought that have the MPEG-4 codec (to decompress) would
suffice to allow import of .mp4 into WMM. Guess not according to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Movie_Maker
Importing of other container formats such as MP4/3GP, FLV and MOV, MIDI,
AIFF, AAC and SWF are not supported even if the necessary DirectShow
decoders are installed.

So while WMP can utilize an MPEG-4 decompressor, WMM cannot. However,
since the OP wants to work with .mp4 files, they'll probably need to get
the MPEG-4 codec anyway for playback in other viewer apps (unless those
viewer apps include that codec in their install which then means other
viewer apps can use it as the handler/decompressor for that media type).

FormatFactory is handy for file conversions and is free (I believe it
uses the ffdshow codec for MPEG-4 conversion that I mentioned getting
standalone at the freecodec site). The OP, for example, could convert
the .mp4 file to a .wmv or .avi file for import into WMM. I've heard of
but not used MP4cam2AVI (http://sourceforge.net/projects/mp4cam2avi/).
There are lots of free filetype converters available.

As a side topic, the OP might want to install the next version of WMM:

Windows Movie Maker 2
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/moviemaker2.mspx

MM1 versus MM2
http://www.windowsmoviemakers.net/PapaJohn/Windows_Movie_Maker_1_versus_2.aspx
 
G

Guest

VanguardLH said:
WMM can decompress (for import) the same file formats that WMP can open.
However, I thought that have the MPEG-4 codec (to decompress) would
suffice to allow import of .mp4 into WMM. Guess not according to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Movie_Maker
Importing of other container formats such as MP4/3GP, FLV and MOV, MIDI,
AIFF, AAC and SWF are not supported even if the necessary DirectShow
decoders are installed.

So while WMP can utilize an MPEG-4 decompressor, WMM cannot. However,
since the OP wants to work with .mp4 files, they'll probably need to get
the MPEG-4 codec anyway for playback in other viewer apps (unless those
viewer apps include that codec in their install which then means other
viewer apps can use it as the handler/decompressor for that media type).

FormatFactory is handy for file conversions and is free (I believe it
uses the ffdshow codec for MPEG-4 conversion that I mentioned getting
standalone at the freecodec site). The OP, for example, could convert
the .mp4 file to a .wmv or .avi file for import into WMM. I've heard of
but not used MP4cam2AVI (http://sourceforge.net/projects/mp4cam2avi/).
There are lots of free filetype converters available.

As a side topic, the OP might want to install the next version of WMM:

Windows Movie Maker 2
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/moviemaker2.mspx

MM1 versus MM2
http://www.windowsmoviemakers.net/PapaJohn/Windows_Movie_Maker_1_versus_2.aspx


Thanks to all for the tips. I thought I had posted back on this yesterday,
but looks like I slipped up. Apols.

It was the fact that WMP did play the MP4s that made me surprised when WMM
would not accept them, and hence think there would be an update. The point
being, I didn't want to install any unnecessary extra software on a borrowed
laptop. As far as I can see from the Wiki, and other googling, no version of
WMM will take MP4s. I got around it by letting the camera software convert
to wmv first. then resaving it at a lower bitrate in WMM.

Still seems silly that XP should have come with playing and editing software
that weren't updated to handle similar packages.

Cheers,
S
 
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Greg Russell

Still seems silly that XP should have come with playing and editing software
that weren't updated to handle similar packages.

Silly is an understatement of the year candidate when speaking of M$.

ffmpeg will not only convert any known current media type to any other type,
but allows cropping, i/o bitrate manipulations, and more other options than
one can shake a stick at. Still, it's as easy to use as a simple command
with two arguments on the command-line. The options are where the power is
at.

One might even find a GUI frontend for it, if a weenie needs one.

http://ffmpeg.org is updated almost daily, as the author takes a very active
interest in all things media.
 
G

Guest

Greg Russell said:
Silly is an understatement of the year candidate when speaking of M$.

ffmpeg will not only convert any known current media type to any other
type,
but allows cropping, i/o bitrate manipulations, and more other options
than
one can shake a stick at. Still, it's as easy to use as a simple command
with two arguments on the command-line. The options are where the power is
at.

One might even find a GUI frontend for it, if a weenie needs one.

http://ffmpeg.org is updated almost daily, as the author takes a very
active
interest in all things media.

Thanks. I'll keep a note of that for next time I'm back on the main pc. I do
have several options there already, but they are mostly things I've
accumulated rather haphazzardly, often bundled with other things.

Cheers,

S
 
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VanguardLH

Spamlet said:
Still seems silly that XP should have come with playing and editing software
that weren't updated to handle similar packages.

MPEG-4 was Apple's bastardization, ahem, evolution of MPEG-2; see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quicktime, "On February 11, 1998, the ISO
approved the QuickTime file format as the basis of the MPEG-4 file
format." Microsoft relunctantly added [some] support for MPEG-4 when it
became too popular to ignore.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mpeg-4:
"Most of the features included in MPEG-4 are left to individual
developers to decide whether to implement them. This means that there
are probably no complete implementations of the entire MPEG-4 set of
standards."
 
G

Greg Russell

"Most of the features included in MPEG-4 are left to individual
developers to decide whether to implement them.

D:\video\ > ffmpeg -formats
FFmpeg version SVN-r21010-snapshot, Copyright (c) 2000-2010 Fabrice Bellard,
et al.
built on Apr 12 2010 23:36:08 with gcc 4.1.2 20080704 (Red Hat 4.1.2-46)
configuration:
libavutil 50. 7. 0 / 50. 7. 0
libavcodec 52.45. 0 / 52.45. 0
libavformat 52.46. 0 / 52.46. 0
libavdevice 52. 2. 0 / 52. 2. 0
libswscale 0. 7. 2 / 0. 7. 2
File formats:
D. = Demuxing supported
.E = Muxing supported
--
E 3g2 3GP2 format
E 3gp 3GP format
D 4xm 4X Technologies format
D IFF IFF format
D ISS Funcom ISS format
D MTV MTV format
DE RoQ raw id RoQ format
D aac raw ADTS AAC
DE ac3 raw AC-3
E adts ADTS AAC
D aea MD STUDIO audio
DE aiff Audio IFF
DE alaw PCM A-law format
DE alsa ALSA audio output
DE amr 3GPP AMR file format
D apc CRYO APC format
D ape Monkey's Audio
DE asf ASF format
E asf_stream ASF format
DE ass SSA/ASS format
DE au SUN AU format
DE avi AVI format
E avm2 Flash 9 (AVM2) format
D avs AVS format
D bethsoftvid Bethesda Softworks VID format
D bfi Brute Force & Ignorance
D c93 Interplay C93
D caf Apple Core Audio Format
D cavsvideo raw Chinese AVS video
D cdg CD Graphics Format
E crc CRC testing format
DE daud D-Cinema audio format
DE dirac raw Dirac
DE dnxhd raw DNxHD (SMPTE VC-3)
D dsicin Delphine Software International CIN format
DE dts raw DTS
DE dv DV video format
D dv1394 DV1394 A/V grab
E dvd MPEG-2 PS format (DVD VOB)
D dxa DXA
D ea Electronic Arts Multimedia Format
D ea_cdata Electronic Arts cdata
DE eac3 raw E-AC-3
DE f32be PCM 32 bit floating-point big-endian format
DE f32le PCM 32 bit floating-point little-endian format
DE f64be PCM 64 bit floating-point big-endian format
DE f64le PCM 64 bit floating-point little-endian format
DE ffm FFM (FFserver live feed) format
D film_cpk Sega FILM/CPK format
DE flac raw FLAC
D flic FLI/FLC/FLX animation format
DE flv FLV format
E framecrc framecrc testing format
E gif GIF Animation
D gsm raw GSM
DE gxf GXF format
DE h261 raw H.261
DE h263 raw H.263
DE h264 raw H.264 video format
D idcin id Cinematic format
DE image2 image2 sequence
DE image2pipe piped image2 sequence
D ingenient raw Ingenient MJPEG
D ipmovie Interplay MVE format
E ipod iPod H.264 MP4 format
D iv8 A format generated by IndigoVision 8000 video server
D jack JACK Audio Connection Kit
D lmlm4 lmlm4 raw format
DE m4v raw MPEG-4 video format
DE matroska Matroska file format
DE mjpeg raw MJPEG video
DE mlp raw MLP
D mm American Laser Games MM format
DE mmf Yamaha SMAF
E mov MOV format
D mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 QuickTime/MPEG-4/Motion JPEG 2000 format
E mp2 MPEG audio layer 2
DE mp3 MPEG audio layer 3
E mp4 MP4 format
D mpc Musepack
D mpc8 Musepack SV8
DE mpeg MPEG-1 System format
E mpeg1video raw MPEG-1 video
E mpeg2video raw MPEG-2 video
DE mpegts MPEG-2 transport stream format
D mpegtsraw MPEG-2 raw transport stream format
D mpegvideo raw MPEG video
E mpjpeg MIME multipart JPEG format
D msnwctcp MSN TCP Webcam stream
DE mulaw PCM mu-law format
D mvi Motion Pixels MVI format
DE mxf Material eXchange Format
E mxf_d10 Material eXchange Format, D-10 Mapping
D nc NC camera feed format
D nsv Nullsoft Streaming Video
E null raw null video format
DE nut NUT format
D nuv NuppelVideo format
DE ogg Ogg
D oma Sony OpenMG audio
DE oss Open Sound System playback
E psp PSP MP4 format
D psxstr Sony Playstation STR format
D pva TechnoTrend PVA file and stream format
D qcp QCP format
D r3d REDCODE R3D format
DE rawvideo raw video format
E rcv VC-1 test bitstream
D rl2 RL2 format
DE rm RealMedia format
D rpl RPL/ARMovie format
E rtp RTP output format
D rtsp RTSP input format
DE s16be PCM signed 16 bit big-endian format
DE s16le PCM signed 16 bit little-endian format
DE s24be PCM signed 24 bit big-endian format
DE s24le PCM signed 24 bit little-endian format
DE s32be PCM signed 32 bit big-endian format
DE s32le PCM signed 32 bit little-endian format
DE s8 PCM signed 8 bit format
D sdp SDP
D shn raw Shorten
D siff Beam Software SIFF
D smk Smacker video
D sol Sierra SOL format
DE sox SoX native format
E spdif IEC958 - S/PDIF (IEC-61937)
E svcd MPEG-2 PS format (VOB)
DE swf Flash format
D thp THP
D tiertexseq Tiertex Limited SEQ format
D tmv 8088flex TMV
DE truehd raw TrueHD
D tta True Audio
D txd Renderware TeXture Dictionary
DE u16be PCM unsigned 16 bit big-endian format
DE u16le PCM unsigned 16 bit little-endian format
DE u24be PCM unsigned 24 bit big-endian format
DE u24le PCM unsigned 24 bit little-endian format
DE u32be PCM unsigned 32 bit big-endian format
DE u32le PCM unsigned 32 bit little-endian format
DE u8 PCM unsigned 8 bit format
D vc1 raw VC-1
D vc1test VC-1 test bitstream format
E vcd MPEG-1 System format (VCD)
D video4linux Video4Linux device grab
D video4linux2 Video4Linux2 device grab
D vmd Sierra VMD format
E vob MPEG-2 PS format (VOB)
DE voc Creative Voice file format
D vqf Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation (NTT) TwinVQ
D w64 Sony Wave64 format
DE wav WAV format
D wc3movie Wing Commander III movie format
D wsaud Westwood Studios audio format
D wsvqa Westwood Studios VQA format
D wv WavPack
D xa Maxis XA File Format
DE yuv4mpegpipe YUV4MPEG pipe format
 
G

Guest

VanguardLH said:
Spamlet said:
Still seems silly that XP should have come with playing and editing
software
that weren't updated to handle similar packages.

MPEG-4 was Apple's bastardization, ahem, evolution of MPEG-2; see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quicktime, "On February 11, 1998, the ISO
approved the QuickTime file format as the basis of the MPEG-4 file
format." Microsoft relunctantly added [some] support for MPEG-4 when it
became too popular to ignore.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mpeg-4:
"Most of the features included in MPEG-4 are left to individual
developers to decide whether to implement them. This means that there
are probably no complete implementations of the entire MPEG-4 set of
standards."

Thanks for clarification. 'Standards' wot standards ;-)

S
 
G

Guest

Greg Russell said:
D:\video\ > ffmpeg -formats
FFmpeg version SVN-r21010-snapshot, Copyright (c) 2000-2010 Fabrice
Bellard,
et al.
built on Apr 12 2010 23:36:08 with gcc 4.1.2 20080704 (Red Hat 4.1.2-46)
configuration:
libavutil 50. 7. 0 / 50. 7. 0
libavcodec 52.45. 0 / 52.45. 0
libavformat 52.46. 0 / 52.46. 0
libavdevice 52. 2. 0 / 52. 2. 0
libswscale 0. 7. 2 / 0. 7. 2
File formats:
D. = Demuxing supported
.E = Muxing supported
--
E 3g2 3GP2 format
E 3gp 3GP format
D 4xm 4X Technologies format
D IFF IFF format
D ISS Funcom ISS format
D MTV MTV format
DE RoQ raw id RoQ format
D aac raw ADTS AAC
DE ac3 raw AC-3
E adts ADTS AAC
D aea MD STUDIO audio
DE aiff Audio IFF
DE alaw PCM A-law format
DE alsa ALSA audio output
DE amr 3GPP AMR file format
D apc CRYO APC format
D ape Monkey's Audio
DE asf ASF format
E asf_stream ASF format
DE ass SSA/ASS format
DE au SUN AU format
DE avi AVI format
E avm2 Flash 9 (AVM2) format
D avs AVS format
D bethsoftvid Bethesda Softworks VID format
D bfi Brute Force & Ignorance
D c93 Interplay C93
D caf Apple Core Audio Format
D cavsvideo raw Chinese AVS video
D cdg CD Graphics Format
E crc CRC testing format
DE daud D-Cinema audio format
DE dirac raw Dirac
DE dnxhd raw DNxHD (SMPTE VC-3)
D dsicin Delphine Software International CIN format
DE dts raw DTS
DE dv DV video format
D dv1394 DV1394 A/V grab
E dvd MPEG-2 PS format (DVD VOB)
D dxa DXA
D ea Electronic Arts Multimedia Format
D ea_cdata Electronic Arts cdata
DE eac3 raw E-AC-3
DE f32be PCM 32 bit floating-point big-endian format
DE f32le PCM 32 bit floating-point little-endian format
DE f64be PCM 64 bit floating-point big-endian format
DE f64le PCM 64 bit floating-point little-endian format
DE ffm FFM (FFserver live feed) format
D film_cpk Sega FILM/CPK format
DE flac raw FLAC
D flic FLI/FLC/FLX animation format
DE flv FLV format
E framecrc framecrc testing format
E gif GIF Animation
D gsm raw GSM
DE gxf GXF format
DE h261 raw H.261
DE h263 raw H.263
DE h264 raw H.264 video format
D idcin id Cinematic format
DE image2 image2 sequence
DE image2pipe piped image2 sequence
D ingenient raw Ingenient MJPEG
D ipmovie Interplay MVE format
E ipod iPod H.264 MP4 format
D iv8 A format generated by IndigoVision 8000 video server
D jack JACK Audio Connection Kit
D lmlm4 lmlm4 raw format
DE m4v raw MPEG-4 video format
DE matroska Matroska file format
DE mjpeg raw MJPEG video
DE mlp raw MLP
D mm American Laser Games MM format
DE mmf Yamaha SMAF
E mov MOV format
D mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 QuickTime/MPEG-4/Motion JPEG 2000 format
E mp2 MPEG audio layer 2
DE mp3 MPEG audio layer 3
E mp4 MP4 format
D mpc Musepack
D mpc8 Musepack SV8
DE mpeg MPEG-1 System format
E mpeg1video raw MPEG-1 video
E mpeg2video raw MPEG-2 video
DE mpegts MPEG-2 transport stream format
D mpegtsraw MPEG-2 raw transport stream format
D mpegvideo raw MPEG video
E mpjpeg MIME multipart JPEG format
D msnwctcp MSN TCP Webcam stream
DE mulaw PCM mu-law format
D mvi Motion Pixels MVI format
DE mxf Material eXchange Format
E mxf_d10 Material eXchange Format, D-10 Mapping
D nc NC camera feed format
D nsv Nullsoft Streaming Video
E null raw null video format
DE nut NUT format
D nuv NuppelVideo format
DE ogg Ogg
D oma Sony OpenMG audio
DE oss Open Sound System playback
E psp PSP MP4 format
D psxstr Sony Playstation STR format
D pva TechnoTrend PVA file and stream format
D qcp QCP format
D r3d REDCODE R3D format
DE rawvideo raw video format
E rcv VC-1 test bitstream
D rl2 RL2 format
DE rm RealMedia format
D rpl RPL/ARMovie format
E rtp RTP output format
D rtsp RTSP input format
DE s16be PCM signed 16 bit big-endian format
DE s16le PCM signed 16 bit little-endian format
DE s24be PCM signed 24 bit big-endian format
DE s24le PCM signed 24 bit little-endian format
DE s32be PCM signed 32 bit big-endian format
DE s32le PCM signed 32 bit little-endian format
DE s8 PCM signed 8 bit format
D sdp SDP
D shn raw Shorten
D siff Beam Software SIFF
D smk Smacker video
D sol Sierra SOL format
DE sox SoX native format
E spdif IEC958 - S/PDIF (IEC-61937)
E svcd MPEG-2 PS format (VOB)
DE swf Flash format
D thp THP
D tiertexseq Tiertex Limited SEQ format
D tmv 8088flex TMV
DE truehd raw TrueHD
D tta True Audio
D txd Renderware TeXture Dictionary
DE u16be PCM unsigned 16 bit big-endian format
DE u16le PCM unsigned 16 bit little-endian format
DE u24be PCM unsigned 24 bit big-endian format
DE u24le PCM unsigned 24 bit little-endian format
DE u32be PCM unsigned 32 bit big-endian format
DE u32le PCM unsigned 32 bit little-endian format
DE u8 PCM unsigned 8 bit format
D vc1 raw VC-1
D vc1test VC-1 test bitstream format
E vcd MPEG-1 System format (VCD)
D video4linux Video4Linux device grab
D video4linux2 Video4Linux2 device grab
D vmd Sierra VMD format
E vob MPEG-2 PS format (VOB)
DE voc Creative Voice file format
D vqf Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation (NTT) TwinVQ
D w64 Sony Wave64 format
DE wav WAV format
D wc3movie Wing Commander III movie format
D wsaud Westwood Studios audio format
D wsvqa Westwood Studios VQA format
D wv WavPack
D xa Maxis XA File Format
DE yuv4mpegpipe YUV4MPEG pipe format

You are obviously a fan Greg, but that all goes right over my head as to how
it relates to Vanguard's offering.

S
 
V

VanguardLH

Greg said:
VanguardLH wrote ...


D:\video\ > ffmpeg -formats
FFmpeg version SVN-r21010-snapshot, Copyright (c) 2000-2010 Fabrice Bellard,
...

I got ffmpeg with the install of FormatFactory. I use it to do lots of
video conversions. Rather have a GUI with config options than have to
remember command-line parameters.

FormatFactory
http://www.pcfreetime.com/

I have noticed for [conversion to] some .mp4 that WMP will play it but
not RealPlayer.
 

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