PL issues

[Genna Reeney]

I like what Susan's done with the site, so I guess the question comes
back to "does it truly need to be changed"?
Apparently, it's been years since a change in format was proposed and
nothing was done in the meantime. During that time, Susan has been
maintaining the site and making it better.
If something is working and improving, why throw it all out?

And if can be made better still, why not go for it?

You seem to think that progress is a rejection of the past in general and of
Susan in particular. If that were the case, I should have been devastated
that Susan simply threw out all my layouts without so much as a heads-up my
way. Instead, I have posted time and again about the great job that Susan
has done. Why? Because I can see the value in her contributions.

Hmph... I have to say, right or wrong, I'm with Susan on this one.
She's the one who has spent the most time with it, recently. Genna
hasn't been active here for a long time.

This is NOT a competition, the goal here is to have the best set-up for the
users of the PL.
Again, I don't understand why you continue to view this in an adversarial
light. There is no reason for it at all.
Again, I am NOT trying to toss Susan aside.

In fact, it's interesting to see how her return has brought some of
the "old timers" back into activity here. Soon, we'll be seeing,
Boomer, Blinky and DC weighing in.

If the implication is that I have been rounding out veteran posters for
support, you could not be more mistaken. It is not my style to ask other
people to speak for me. If those posters are coming out of the shadows, they
are doing it for their own reasons.

 

[Genna Reeney]

I'm not hostile - ATM I am exasperated!

I beg to differ.
All of this could have been discussed and handled quite peacefully in a few
emails. You could have replied "can't we see first if my database can be
transfered to the server?" Instead, you came here and requested that the
site be moved to a different server. It was a direct and quite unprovoked
attack against me.

I would have been happy to *refresh* your memory if you had asked me
how I prepare the web pages now.

Susan, that wasn't the point of my post.
You posted earlier in the thread that the reason we should NOT move to a
database was that you only knew HTML.

Adding more Google search links is on my todo list (following a recent
thread in the newsgroup).

Manually searching for and inputting Google search links is preferable to a
search box that would simply pull out the information on a web page directly
on the site?

 

[Genna Reeney]

Strange conclusion. I'm participating in the Pricelessware process.
The
list is not on *my* site.

What you said in essence was that I should be shown the door and be thanked
on the way out. Simply because I want to make sure that the site is
manageable in the future. I am in no way looking to take over you.

By contrast, let me say that when I took over for SOS, I told him that if at
any time, he wanted to take back the stewardish of the list he had created,
he only had to ask.

 

[Tiger]

What you said in essence was that I should be shown the door and be thanked
on the way out. Simply because I want to make sure that the site is
manageable in the future. I am in no way looking to take over you.

By contrast, let me say that when I took over for SOS, I told him that if at
any time, he wanted to take back the stewardish of the list he had created,
he only had to ask.

Here's an idea...dump the site and let's all migrate to Linux

 

[dszady]

Genna Reeney wrote:

[...]
By contrast, let me say that when I took over for SOS, I told him that
if at any time, he wanted to take back the stewardish of the list he
had created, he only had to ask.

Here's an idea...dump the site and let's all migrate to Linux

Man. If I said that the people who haven't kill-filed me yet would have me
thrown in jail.

 

[josiah-jenkins]

<snipped all previous as it's not a direct response to any one person>

Having read this thread from the start, but being a relative newbie to
acf, I'm still not sure what the issue is here.

If this is all about search ability on a database vis-a-vis an HTML
layout, may I again point out the FREE Atomz search facility which
requires pasting 7 lines of code (similar to that below) to create a
search box on as many pages as are needed / wanted and then allow
Atomz to crawl the pages, index the website and report :-

"It took 1 minute to crawl 113 pages and index 113 pages
containing 62732 words for a total of 673563 bytes. 16448 word
endings, 0 synonyms, 10441 sound-alike words, and 15 excluded
words were included in the index. No errors were found during your
last index update."

<!-- Atomz Search HTML for Ian Stewart -->
<center><form method="get" action="http://search.atomz.com/search/">
<input size="15" name="sp-q"><br><br>
<input type="submit" value="Search">
<input type="hidden" name="sp-a" value="sp1002d84f">
<input type="hidden" name="sp-p" value="all">
<input type="hidden" name="sp-f" value="ISO-8859-1">
</form></center>
<!--end Atomz search script-->

Details at : http://www.atomz.com/applications/search/trial.htm

Example at : http://www.ian-stewart.dsl.pipex.com/informer.htm

-- The Despicable Stewart
-- Perfidious Alban
-- http://www.ian-stewart.dsl.pipex.com/

 

[PuppyKatt]

Genna, how many people (users) of the current format have complained
that it is too difficult? Why don't we, the persons who access the
site, vote on whether or not the site needs a change?

: Ben Cooper wrote:
: >
: > I like what Susan's done with the site, so I guess the question
comes
: > back to "does it truly need to be changed"?
: > Apparently, it's been years since a change in format was proposed
and
: > nothing was done in the meantime. During that time, Susan has been
: > maintaining the site and making it better.
: > If something is working and improving, why throw it all out?
:
: And if can be made better still, why not go for it?
:
: You seem to think that progress is a rejection of the past in general
and of
: Susan in particular. If that were the case, I should have been
devastated
: that Susan simply threw out all my layouts without so much as a
heads-up my
: way. Instead, I have posted time and again about the great job that
Susan
: has done. Why? Because I can see the value in her contributions.
:
: > Hmph... I have to say, right or wrong, I'm with Susan on this one.
: > She's the one who has spent the most time with it, recently. Genna
: > hasn't been active here for a long time.
:
: This is NOT a competition, the goal here is to have the best set-up
for the
: users of the PL.
: Again, I don't understand why you continue to view this in an
adversarial
: light. There is no reason for it at all.
: Again, I am NOT trying to toss Susan aside.
:
: > In fact, it's interesting to see how her return has brought some of
: > the "old timers" back into activity here. Soon, we'll be seeing,
: > Boomer, Blinky and DC weighing in.
:
: If the implication is that I have been rounding out veteran posters
for
: support, you could not be more mistaken. It is not my style to ask
other
: people to speak for me. If those posters are coming out of the
shadows, they
: are doing it for their own reasons.
: --
: Cheers,
: Genna
:
:

 

[Demetrius Zeluff]

(e-mail address removed) wrote in

<snipped all previous as it's not a direct response to any one person>

Having read this thread from the start, but being a relative newbie to
acf, I'm still not sure what the issue is here.

If this is all about search ability on a database vis-a-vis an HTML
layout, may I again point out the FREE Atomz search facility

"Atomz Express Search is a free, reduced-feature version of our award-
winning Atomz Search"

Oh boy, you really *are* new here. That "reduced-feature" bit is going to
make you wish you never heard of atomz, let alone recommended them.

FWIW I *really* don't see what the problem is. Susan can continue to do
her thing. Geena can do hers too. They can go on the same domain with a
switch on the first page.

"Do you want the database driven PL or the html driven PL?"

 

[jason]

There is nothing nefarious, contrary to the tone that this thread has
taken, but a simple desire to make the content of the PL simpler to
manage and easier to access.

Genna,

I have lurked/posted on acf for 5 or more years. I have always known you
to be a person of impeccable integrity (as is Susan Bugher a person of
impeccable integrity).

I hate seeing you have to defend yourself against 'charges' that clearly
seem to be the result of a miscommunication.

That happens a lot on the net.

Just wanted to speak up as a 'lurker'. Your plan sounds like a sensible
one. There will be a few bumps in the road before it comes to fruition,
but it'll be to the benefit of Pricelessware in the long run.

Good luck, and please post more often in the group when you get the time.

 

[Alastair Smeaton]

"Atomz Express Search is a free, reduced-feature version of our award-
winning Atomz Search"

Oh boy, you really *are* new here. That "reduced-feature" bit is going to
make you wish you never heard of atomz, let alone recommended them.

not quite true - a number of reduced feature versions appear on
pricelessware.

Powerdesk explorer replacement for one.

As long as the free version is not so crippled as to be almost
unusable - this seems to be the consensus.

Maybe you are "new" here

 

[Son Of Spy]

not quite true - a number of reduced feature versions appear on
pricelessware.

Powerdesk explorer replacement for one.

As long as the free version is not so crippled as to be almost
unusable - this seems to be the consensus.

Maybe you are "new" here

The award-winning Atomz free search is run on thousands of sites
including mine. To see just how "Crippled" this feature limited
search service is...go here:
http://www.sover.net/~wysiwygx/Sofffffffware2.html

As a service it qualifies as "Pricelessware".

I mean... What more could you want in a site search engine?

Son Of Spy

--

Some You Won't Find Anywhere Else...

http://www.sover.net/~wysiwygx/index.html

. --- . . - - - - - - - - - - - -
/ SOS \ __ / Freeware - - - - - -
/ / \ ( ) / - - - - -
/ / / / / / / \/ \ - - - -
/ / / / / / / : : - - -
/ / / / / ' ' - -
/ / //..\\
=====UU==UU=====
'///||\\\'
' '' '

 

[John Fitzsimons]

It wasn't the script kiddies that drew my attention, it was the DIRECT
attacks at folders containing a.c.f. files. NO OTHER FOLDERS were attacked.
There were various font folders, graphics, programming tools, etc. Nothing
but the a.c.f. program folders got hit with the hack attempts. This was
approximately 2/3's of the 20+ IP's I had ended up blocking. There is no
way you can look at those numbers and say that's random selection.

So someone targeted the a.c.f. files ? So what ? That doesn't mean
that any "conspiracy" of any sort exists. Even if the person(s)
involved came from this newsgroup.

Regards, John.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 21:16:59 -0400, Susan Bugher

I only speak HTML (and the tiniest bit of PHP). Does a non-swimmer have
the choice to swim to shore from the middle of an ocean?

< snip >

I can certainly understand your position.

I was wanting to put a book database on one of my web pages BUT
it really needs to be php, or something similar. Unfortunately I
wouldn't have a clue where to start, or what's available, as a
freeware php program.

Regards, John.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

I have no use for an apology from you nor anyone else. The point here that
you either don't see or are evading is that these were not just idle hack
attempts...they were directed at the a.c.f. CD program files.

What you don't see or are evading is that there is nothing that
suggests that anyone trying to hack your site has anything whatever
to do with the creation of the PL ISO. Plenty of people read this
newsgroup. It is highly likely that there would be at least one hacker
type here.

You make accusations regularly but provide no proof whatever. For
example, when I asked you to name the PL files that were "warez" you
wouldn't.

Perhaps a few less "accusations" and some more "proof" would add
strength to your contentions ?

Regards, John.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 22:13:42 -0700, "Ben Cooper"

I like what Susan's done with the site, so I guess the question comes
back to "does it truly need to be changed"?

That is probably the core issue. If Susan is doing things then she can
(should ?) do things "here way". Efficiently, or inefficiently, as she
chooses.

< snip >

It appears that in the cost/benefit analysis Susan sees little benefit
but a lot of cost. While Genna sees things in the reverse way.

What needs to be done is that Genna has to convince Susan that she
could maintain the proposed system that Genna is suggesting. If not
then she is free to implement such a system herself. With, or without,
Susan needing to be involved.

In summary here are the options :

If Susan is doing PL then she does it "her" way.

If Genna is doing PL then she does it "her" way.

Rather simple, eh ?

Once the above is sorted out one then has to decide who/where the site
is hosted.

Regards, John.

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[Alastair Smeaton]

The award-winning Atomz free search is run on thousands of sites
including mine. To see just how "Crippled" this feature limited
search service is...go here:
http://www.sover.net/~wysiwygx/Sofffffffware2.html

As a service it qualifies as "Pricelessware".

I mean... What more could you want in a site search engine?

Son Of Spy

precisely my point - if it does a good job. doesn't matter if it has a
big payware relative which does a little more - it is still freeware

 

[Demetrius Zeluff]

precisely my point - if it does a good job. doesn't matter if it has a
big payware relative which does a little more - it is still freeware

I agree, but John Corliss will be along to bitch and moan RSN.

 

[John Corliss]

I agree, but John Corliss will be along to bitch and moan RSN.

Welcome to my killfile.

*PLOINK*

 

[Ben Cooper]

Actually, the biggest problem is schizophrenics such as yourself who see
secret plots and hear disembodied whispers everywhere they turn.
Just because you're feeling better it doesn't mean you can stop taking
your medication.

 

[jo]

In summary here are the options :

If Susan is doing PL then she does it "her" way.

If Genna is doing PL then she does it "her" way.

Rather simple, eh ?

Very.