Irreconcilable Differences

[Susan Bugher]

Genna and I communicated by email - then we communicated publicly in the
"PL issues" thread. Since then we have had a further exchange of emails.

The bottom line? The current arrangement is not working. It's not going
to work.

I do not intend to discuss what happened, why it happened, who was to
blame etc. etc. etc. Such a discussion won't change the bottom line.

I would like to move the Pricelessware List to a new location.

The Pricelessware List has been hosted on other sites in the past (IIRC
the last move was about two years ago). Some free sites have been
offered. If they are not suitable others can be found. Hosting details -
who, how, where etc. will require discussion.

The move itself is not a Big Deal. Getting the Pricelessware site up and
running at a new location will only take a few hours.

I would like to continue as webmaster. My top priority: ensuring that
the Pricelessware List can be prepared and maintained easily by others
when I leave.

I don't like putting the group in the position it's in now - I want to
ensure that it won't happen again.

Questions, comments and *votes* (move/stay) please.

Susan


FYI: I sent Genna an email when I started the "PL issues" thread. I will
notify her this time too.

 

[*ProteanThread*]

Genna and I communicated by email - then we communicated publicly in the
"PL issues" thread. Since then we have had a further exchange of emails.

The bottom line? The current arrangement is not working. It's not going
to work.

I do not intend to discuss what happened, why it happened, who was to
blame etc. etc. etc. Such a discussion won't change the bottom line.

I would like to move the Pricelessware List to a new location.

The Pricelessware List has been hosted on other sites in the past (IIRC
the last move was about two years ago). Some free sites have been
offered. If they are not suitable others can be found. Hosting details -
who, how, where etc. will require discussion.

The move itself is not a Big Deal. Getting the Pricelessware site up and
running at a new location will only take a few hours.

I would like to continue as webmaster. My top priority: ensuring that
the Pricelessware List can be prepared and maintained easily by others
when I leave.

I don't like putting the group in the position it's in now - I want to
ensure that it won't happen again.

Questions, comments and *votes* (move/stay) please.

Susan


FYI: I sent Genna an email when I started the "PL issues" thread. I will
notify her this time too.

I have room on http://www.villagecouncil.net I can share; no charge no cost
and no conditions to you or acf.


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[Cousin Stanley]

Cousin Susan ....

A standard course of action for putting together alternate systems
is to leave the *working version* of any software system in tact
and to build a *prototype version* that can be developed at a
leisurely pace in parallel without affecting the original ....

Then, when the prototype is fully functional,
migration to the new system is done ....

This is tantamount to proverbially ....

"Having one's cake and eating it too" ....

 

[rir3760]

It was a dark and stormy night when Susan Bugher

Genna and I communicated by email - then we communicated publicly
in the "PL issues" thread. Since then we have had a further
exchange of emails.

The bottom line? The current arrangement is not working. It's not
going to work.

I do not intend to discuss what happened, why it happened, who was
to blame etc. etc. etc. Such a discussion won't change the bottom
line.

And yet at the same time you want the acf's regulars to comment and
vote about moving the PL site without knowing the details?

If they are going to decide if the PL website is going to be moved to
a new location (or not) then you must give them all the information
you can about what is *not* working.

I would like to move the Pricelessware List to a new location.

Geena has kindly provided a host for the PL website that is both
stable and reliable. Why to move it to a new host when the current
one is working OK?
[Snip]

I would like to continue as webmaster. My top priority: ensuring
that the Pricelessware List can be prepared and maintained easily
by others when I leave.

Can you please tell us how is the PL information being stored right
now? And what format are you using, plain text/spreadsheat/database?

I don't like putting the group in the position it's in now - I
want to ensure that it won't happen again.

Questions, comments and *votes* (move/stay) please.

IMHO the PL website should stay being hosted by Geena.

Best regards

 

[*ProteanThread*]

It was a dark and stormy night when Susan Bugher


And yet at the same time you want the acf's regulars to comment and
vote about moving the PL site without knowing the details?
*ODD*

If they are going to decide if the PL website is going to be moved to
a new location (or not) then you must give them all the information
you can about what is *not* working.
*OK*

Geena has kindly provided a host for the PL website that is both
stable and reliable. Why to move it to a new host when the current
one is working OK?
[Snip]
*ALRIGHT*

Can you please tell us how is the PL information being stored right
now? And what format are you using, plain text/spreadsheat/database?
*CURIOUS*

IMHO the PL website should stay being hosted by Geena.

Best regards

I agree, can't really help unless we know what issues are involved here
without starting a flamewar. But if a new webhost needs to be found, I have
room on http://www.villagecouncil.net or I'm sure another can be found at
little or no cost.


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[Susan Bugher]

It was a dark and stormy night when Susan Bugher


And yet at the same time you want the acf's regulars to comment and
vote about moving the PL site without knowing the details?

If they are going to decide if the PL website is going to be moved to
a new location (or not) then you must give them all the information
you can about what is *not* working.

IIRC the last move was made without a such a discussion. Please correct
me if I am wrong on this and point me to the discussion threads.

AFAICT this has not been regarded as a Big Deal in the past. I don't
regard it as a Big Deal now. I *do* believe newsgroup participants
should make this decision.

I would like to move the Pricelessware List to a new location.

Geena has kindly provided a host for the PL website that is both
stable and reliable. Why to move it to a new host when the current
one is working OK?
[Snip]

I would not have begun this thread if I subscribed to your POV. IMO the
current arrangements are not "working OK".

Can you please tell us how is the PL information being stored right
now? And what format are you using, plain text/spreadsheat/database?

I have done that a nunber of times - the most recent discussion was in
the "PL issues" thread. See this thread for full details:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=d...&[email protected]&rnum=3

IMHO the PL website should stay being hosted by Geena.
Noted.

Best regards

likewise

Susan

 

[Alex Balfour]

Genna and I communicated by email - then we communicated publicly in the
"PL issues" thread. Since then we have had a further exchange of emails.

The bottom line? The current arrangement is not working. It's not going
to work.

I do not intend to discuss what happened, why it happened, who was to
blame etc. etc. etc. Such a discussion won't change the bottom line.

I would like to move the Pricelessware List to a new location.

The Pricelessware List has been hosted on other sites in the past (IIRC
the last move was about two years ago). Some free sites have been
offered. If they are not suitable others can be found. Hosting details -
who, how, where etc. will require discussion.

The move itself is not a Big Deal. Getting the Pricelessware site up and
running at a new location will only take a few hours.

I would like to continue as webmaster. My top priority: ensuring that
the Pricelessware List can be prepared and maintained easily by others
when I leave.

I don't like putting the group in the position it's in now - I want to
ensure that it won't happen again.

Questions, comments and *votes* (move/stay) please.

Susan


FYI: I sent Genna an email when I started the "PL issues" thread. I will
notify her this time too.

I have tremendous respect for Susan in terms of the enormous amount of
work she does for this group and for the professional, timely manner in
which she carries it out. Her proposal gets my vote as a result.

Alex Balfour

 

[jo]

I would like to continue as webmaster. My top priority: ensuring that
the Pricelessware List can be prepared and maintained easily by others
when I leave.

Questions, comments and *votes* (move/stay) please.

You are the one putting the work in; you should be working in as
stress free an environment as possible.
The current web host is suffering from control freakery and is giving
you grief. Move.

 

[Dan Goodman]

Genna and I communicated by email - then we communicated publicly in
the "PL issues" thread. Since then we have had a further exchange of
emails.

The bottom line? The current arrangement is not working. It's not
going to work.

I do not intend to discuss what happened, why it happened, who was to
blame etc. etc. etc. Such a discussion won't change the bottom line.

I would like to move the Pricelessware List to a new location.

My vote: Move.

 

[MLC]

lunedì 21/giu/2004 _Susan Bugher_ in

Questions, comments and *votes* (move/stay) please.

If the terms are "move the site or move Susan", I vote to move the site.
No doubt.

 

[*ProteanThread*]

IIRC the last move was made without a such a discussion. Please correct
me if I am wrong on this and point me to the discussion threads.

Doesn't bother me one way or another. Lately tho....but....

AFAICT this has not been regarded as a Big Deal in the past. I don't
regard it as a Big Deal now. I *do* believe newsgroup participants
should make this decision.

Why not wait until the end of the year when we do the next PL votes ?

I would not have begun this thread if I subscribed to your POV. IMO the
current arrangements are not "working OK".

But what *IS* the *REAL* issue ??

I have done that a nunber of times - the most recent discussion was in
the "PL issues" thread. See this thread for full details:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=d...&[email protected]&rnum=3

The only thread that comes up is what you used to develop the website, is
that what you mean ? Why would that be an issue ??

Susan

thanks.


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http://rtdos.com/debate (charged political discussion)
http://rtdos.com/forum (rtdos message boards)
http://rtdos.com/rtdos (rtdos active developer chat)

http://rtdos.com/chat
Chats scheduled every Thursday @ 7PM MDT (0100 GMT) and
every Sunday @ 1PM MDT (1900 GMT)

 

[Larry Sabo]

I would like to move the Pricelessware List to a new location.

I would like to continue as webmaster. My top priority: ensuring that
the Pricelessware List can be prepared and maintained easily by others
when I leave.

I am very grateful for the incredible amount of work you have put into
Pricelessware. You have my confidence and support to do whatever you
propose regarding the site.

Best regards,
Larry

 

[Ben Cooper]

Susan Bugher wrote:
[snip]

I would like to move the Pricelessware List to a new location.

The Pricelessware List has been hosted on other sites in the past
(IIRC the last move was about two years ago). Some free sites have
been offered. If they are not suitable others can be found. Hosting
details - who, how, where etc. will require discussion.

The move itself is not a Big Deal. Getting the Pricelessware site up
and running at a new location will only take a few hours.

I would like to continue as webmaster. My top priority: ensuring that
the Pricelessware List can be prepared and maintained easily by others
when I leave.

I don't like putting the group in the position it's in now - I want to
ensure that it won't happen again.

Questions, comments and *votes* (move/stay) please.

I vote to move.

 

[Semolina Pilchard]

Genna and I communicated by email - then we communicated publicly in the
"PL issues" thread. Since then we have had a further exchange of emails.

The bottom line? The current arrangement is not working. It's not going
to work.

I do not intend to discuss what happened, why it happened, who was to
blame etc. etc. etc. Such a discussion won't change the bottom line.

I would like to move the Pricelessware List to a new location.

I'm grateful to Genna for the years of work she did in the past and
for hosting the Pricelessware List. That said, it seems to me that
there are probably numerous sites where the List could reside, but
there's only one Susan.

If she has determined that she can no longer maintain the site where
it is, then it has to be moved. I think she deserves our support in
that for all the work she has done and is doing.

 

[mike ring]

I am very grateful for the incredible amount of work you have put into
Pricelessware. You have my confidence and support to do whatever you
propose regarding the site.

Second that

mike

 

[burnr]

Genna and I communicated by email - then we communicated publicly in the
"PL issues" thread. Since then we have had a further exchange of emails.

The bottom line? The current arrangement is not working. It's not going
to work.

I do not intend to discuss what happened, why it happened, who was to
blame etc. etc. etc. Such a discussion won't change the bottom line.

I would like to move the Pricelessware List to a new location.

The Pricelessware List has been hosted on other sites in the past (IIRC
the last move was about two years ago). Some free sites have been
offered. If they are not suitable others can be found. Hosting details -
who, how, where etc. will require discussion.

The move itself is not a Big Deal. Getting the Pricelessware site up and
running at a new location will only take a few hours.

I would like to continue as webmaster. My top priority: ensuring that
the Pricelessware List can be prepared and maintained easily by others
when I leave.

I don't like putting the group in the position it's in now - I want to
ensure that it won't happen again.

Questions, comments and *votes* (move/stay) please.

Susan


FYI: I sent Genna an email when I started the "PL issues" thread. I will
notify her this time too.

In my mind, the PL site is the fruit of your efforts and if you feel the
need to move, I will support that. My vote is to move.

 

[jason]

Genna and I communicated by email - then we communicated publicly in the
"PL issues" thread. Since then we have had a further exchange of emails.

The bottom line? The current arrangement is not working. It's not going
to work.

That's not the impression I got from reading the earlier discussion. It
seemed like there had simply been a miscommunication. Genna wanted to make
things more maintainable...you (apparently erroneously) thought that your
role was being threatened. What's the real issue here? I don't mean to be
overly critical, but you're always saying things should be 'discussed' in
acf...kind of implying we should get all the information. We're clearly
not getting all the information here. Why is discussion being supressed?

 

[*ProteanThread*]

That's not the impression I got from reading the earlier discussion. It
seemed like there had simply been a miscommunication. Genna wanted to make
things more maintainable...you (apparently erroneously) thought that your
role was being threatened. What's the real issue here? I don't mean to be
overly critical, but you're always saying things should be 'discussed' in
acf...kind of implying we should get all the information. We're clearly
not getting all the information here. Why is discussion being supressed?

I'm confused as well.

Jeers.


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http://www.rtdos.com (alt OS for games based on the classics)
http://rtdos.com/debate (charged political discussion)
http://rtdos.com/forum (rtdos message boards)
http://rtdos.com/rtdos (rtdos active developer chat)

http://rtdos.com/chat
Chats scheduled every Thursday @ 7PM MDT (0100 GMT) and
every Sunday @ 1PM MDT (1900 GMT)

 

[n e a d]

[snip]

I would like to move the Pricelessware List to a new location.

[snip]

Susan,

How much space on the current server does the Pricelessware site take up?
(in MB's)

How much traffic (hits) in a month? (In MB's).

Just curious...as may be anyone who is thinking of donating server space.

Thanks!
Sam

 

[PuppyKatt]

Move

: Genna and I communicated by email - then we communicated publicly in
the
: "PL issues" thread. Since then we have had a further exchange of
emails.
:
: The bottom line? The current arrangement is not working. It's not
going
: to work.
:
: I do not intend to discuss what happened, why it happened, who was to
: blame etc. etc. etc. Such a discussion won't change the bottom line.
:
: I would like to move the Pricelessware List to a new location.
:
: The Pricelessware List has been hosted on other sites in the past
(IIRC
: the last move was about two years ago). Some free sites have been
: offered. If they are not suitable others can be found. Hosting
details -
: who, how, where etc. will require discussion.
:
: The move itself is not a Big Deal. Getting the Pricelessware site up
and
: running at a new location will only take a few hours.
:
: I would like to continue as webmaster. My top priority: ensuring that
: the Pricelessware List can be prepared and maintained easily by others
: when I leave.
:
: I don't like putting the group in the position it's in now - I want to
: ensure that it won't happen again.
:
: Questions, comments and *votes* (move/stay) please.
:
: Susan
:
:
: FYI: I sent Genna an email when I started the "PL issues" thread. I
will
: notify her this time too.
:
: