I think it's an improvement. . .

[Susan Bugher]

A very big improvement. Awesome.

Music to my ears - thanks.

Susan

 

[Susan Bugher]

Obviously a *personal* thing, but I much prefer a sans serif font to the
serif one used. Makes it much clearer and neater for me.

I believe that's the default font your browser uses (you probably can
change it) - the only specified font is Tahoma,Lucida Sans Unicode (alt.
Arial) - used for the info at the top.

Susan

 

[Paul Blarmy]

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 10:20:06 -0400, Susan Bugher wrote...

I believe that's the default font your browser uses (you probably can
change it) - the only specified font is Tahoma,Lucida Sans Unicode (alt.
Arial) - used for the info at the top.

Yes it is the default. But I, like I suspect the majority of people, do
not bother to customise our default fonts and I just think that as the
fonts are specified by you in the rest of the document, so too should
they be here - and in a sans serif font too

 

[Susan Bugher]

After hearing all these reasons at least I now understand why there is no
link to you-know-what-CD isn't appearing on the you-know-what-site.

We don't *want* people to call something a "Pricelessware CD" if it
isn't but we have no control over that. We *can* control what's shown on
the Pricelessware site - and remove links if necessary.

As I mentioned in another post post I *will* add the ISO and bit torrent
links to the PL2004 CD page. I was being super-cautious (aka paranoid)
initially - from concern that *any* problem at that stage would be fatal.

Susan

 

[Mike Andrade]

Would that be Verdana, perhaps?

Maybe his computer is on the veranda?

 

[Susan Bugher]

I might look for a web host that allows unlimited bandwidth and see if
it's possible to put an official image online. It seems to be a fair
project.

The 20-30 gig/month services would be sucked dry within a day or two

IIRC it might be sucked dry in just a few hours.

Perhaps a bit torrent - that seems to be the wave of the future. . .

and it would be free

Susan

 

[Susan Bugher]

_Susan Bugher_, domenica 12/set/2004:

It's an improvement indeed!

Thanks Maria.

I'd like, as others, to not see that "Enter", and also a less size for the
text above and below the Pricelessware logo.

"Enter" may not be pretty but IMO it's necessary (for newbies to the
site) - it would probably look nicer if it was a link button. re the
text size - I *may* try to improve that - I confess that my major
concern ATM is clarity and ease of navigation.

Susan

 

[Susan Bugher]

Maybe his computer is on the veranda?

A new patois for the patio?

Susan

 

[REM]

IIRC it might be sucked dry in just a few hours.

True. I don't recall the bandwidth, except that it was huge.

Perhaps a bit torrent - that seems to be the wave of the future. . .

and it would be free

There's certainly nothing wrong with free! And I like the P2P concept!

How to assure the image, again, is authentic?

How to assure enough people seed, taking throughput hits, to make sure
the image stays available?

My dialup won't help much in seeding and even if I leave it going the
ISP drops every 4-6 hours. I had much better luck with WinMX. I never
even got bit torrent up and running. If these services share data
locations that would be great.

 

[Susan Bugher]

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 10:20:06 -0400, Susan Bugher wrote...


Yes it is the default. But I, like I suspect the majority of people, do
not bother to customise our default fonts and I just think that as the
fonts are specified by you in the rest of the document, so too should
they be here - and in a sans serif font too

perhaps we should have a poll/vote. . .

Susan

 

[Roger Johansson]

True. I don't recall the bandwidth, except that it was huge.

Hosting of a CD is far to big a burden to people who have bandwidth
limited accounts, but no problem at all to other people who have their
own servers connected to internet. So, even though it is a big problem
for some people to host such a CD there are others who have such
technical possibilities that there is no problem.

Bittorrent has found a certain popularity, maybe because it sounds like a
good idea to people with limited technical possibilities, but the users
of bittorrent often show disappointment with its practical results.

The disadvantages with bittorrent: You need to install and run a certain
bittorrent program to download. It is very often very slow, and often you
do not get a complete file even if you wait for days. It is therefor not
suitable for very big files like a CD iso.

There's certainly nothing wrong with free! And I like the P2P concept!

P2P is a different thing than bittorrent. P2P networks are all
based on the Napster idea. P2P clients need to connect to special servers
to get into contact with other P2P clients, and that is why they are
easily tracked by certain software protection authorities.

P2P networks carry almost exclusively illegal material.
P2P suffer from the same problems as bittorrent in that they are slow and
you often end up with only part of a file. The bigger the file the less
chance of getting it downloaded within reasonable time, or at all.
Therefore not suitable for big files like a CD iso.


There is no use in worrying about how to host it and in what technical
system it should be hosted, because it will always be relatively easy to
find one or more http or ftp hosts who have no problems at all in hosting
it, if we just can make our minds up that it is what we want and start
looking for such hosts.

(and do not try to impose silly restrictions on such willing and capable
hosts that they may not call the folder pricelessware, or demand that
they publish a certain text on the same page, etc..)

Everybody already have the programs needed to download files from http or
ftp servers.

 

[Paul Blarmy]

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 12:14:57 -0400, Susan Bugher wrote...

perhaps we should have a poll/vote. . .

aaaggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...............

 

[Bjorn Simonsen]

A new patois for the patio?

Anyway, looking at new index, columns/rows...eh..a bit confusing,
should I read top/down, or left/right...hmm...and doesn't look that
good - does it? Someone needs to work on that

All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen

 

[Susan Bugher]

Anyway, looking at new index, columns/rows...eh..a bit confusing,
should I read top/down, or left/right...hmm...and doesn't look that
good - does it? Someone needs to work on that

I was. . . take a look now and tell me what you think.

Ben Cooper suggested a horizontal layout - I mulled and pondered on that
suggestion. . .

This arrangement lets me bury the archived PL2003 info down at the
bottom - which is where it belongs. . . thanks Ben.

Susan

 

[Bjorn Simonsen]

I was. . . take a look now and tell me what you think.

Much better thank you. Still, I rather prefer the previous much
cleaner non-table layout, even if the "order of things" did not work
out quite there Me thinks perhaps the table version will look
better if you remove the box around the logo etc...to many squares and
boxes on screen to look at once currently, makes it harder to focus me
thinks

All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen

 

[Susan Bugher]

Much better thank you. Still, I rather prefer the previous much
cleaner non-table layout, even if the "order of things" did not work
out quite there Me thinks perhaps the table version will look
better if you remove the box around the logo etc...to many squares and
boxes on screen to look at once currently, makes it harder to focus me
thinks

But now you can see each subdirectory in one screen. FWIW the other
layout was a table too - I've now taken the borders off these tables. . .

IMO this layout works better - it's more flexible - I'll add the PL2005
directory too (at the bottom) that should make navigation easier during
the PL2005 selection process.

Susan

 

[MLC]

_Susan Bugher_, domenica 12/set/2004:

I was. . . take a look now and tell me what you think.

Ben Cooper suggested a horizontal layout - I mulled and pondered on that
suggestion. . .

You might ponder also to center the tables which hold the lists
Another hint: try some experiment with different borders for the table with
the logo.
Last, when you'll get a lot of free time ;-), you might consider to separate
the document structure (HTML/XHTML) from the document layout (CSS).

....ok ok, I'll shut up )

 

[Bjorn Simonsen]

But now you can see each subdirectory in one screen. FWIW the other
layout was a table too - I've now taken the borders off these tables. . .

Much better thank you.

IMO this layout works better - it's more flexible - I'll add the PL2005
directory too (at the bottom) that should make navigation easier during
the PL2005 selection process.

Good point, think ahead.

All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen

 

[Susan Bugher]

_Susan Bugher_, domenica 12/set/2004:

You might ponder also to center the tables which hold the lists

Table width is set at 100 percent - I agree the tables *appear* to be
off-center (If I make the tables narrower some of the links wrap -
which makes them hard to read.)

Another hint: try some experiment with different borders for the table with
the logo.

as Mark Carter would say (IIRC): Real Soon Now

Last, when you'll get a lot of free time ;-), you might consider to separate
the document structure (HTML/XHTML) from the document layout (CSS).

sorry - no XHTML, no CSS, but a cautious toe in the PHP waters. . .

With the exception of the first (index.html) page all the newer pages
are now PHP - the boilerplate is in header and footer files - makes it
much easier to revise. I'm still getting that change sorted out. . .

...ok ok, I'll shut up )

I could listen for hours.

doing is something else. . .

Susan

 

[Ben Cooper]

I was. . . take a look now and tell me what you think.

Ben Cooper suggested a horizontal layout - I mulled and pondered on
that suggestion. . .

This arrangement lets me bury the archived PL2003 info down at the
bottom - which is where it belongs. . . thanks Ben.

Yes, I like this layout better. Makes it even easier to go directly to
where you want to go.

Now, what do you guys think about also adding the Google search box to
that page? It might help when you're not sure where to find what you're
looking for.