I think it's an improvement. . .

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MLC

_Susan Bugher_, domenica 12/set/2004:
I added an index to the home page.

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/

I think it's an improvement. . . :)

Any complaints from the crowd?
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It's an improvement indeed!

I'd like, as others, to not see that "Enter", and also a less size for the
text above and below the Pricelessware logo.

Anyway no complaints from me :)
 
R

Roger Johansson

I tried to find the 2004 Pricelessware CD iso download through the
pricelesswarehome pages, no luck.

Isn't it available as an iso anymore, or do you not provide a link to it?
 
B

Bjorn Simonsen

Roger Johansson wrote in said:
I tried to find the 2004 Pricelessware CD iso download through the
pricelesswarehome pages, no luck.

Isn't it available as an iso anymore, or do you not provide a link to it?
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Officially only distributed by listed ACF'ers on demand, if memory
serves. Iso image generously hosted online here for some time now
<http://mirrors.unoc.net/pricelessware/>.


All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen
 
R

Roger Johansson

Officially only distributed by listed ACF'ers on demand, if memory
serves. Iso image generously hosted online here for some time now
<http://mirrors.unoc.net/pricelessware/>.
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I don't understand the logic behind these attempts to make it unavailable
for direct download, only by request to some person who then burns a CD
and sends it via snailmail.

Why this waste of people's time and resources when so many have cable
internet and could download and burn the iso by themselves, and spread it
to their friends.

Why don't we instead try to spread the iso to even more download
locations, and tell people about the iso?
 
B

Bjorn Simonsen

Paul Blarmy wrote in said:
Obviously a *personal* thing, but I much prefer a sans serif font to the
serif one used. Makes it much clearer and neater for me
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Try Veranda (Sans Serif).

All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen
 
R

Roger Johansson

Have been discussed up and down in the past... cant remeber
all the pro&con arguments, but try this thread
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<http://google.com/groups?&[email protected]&rnum=1>

I can't find any good reasons to not make available as iso there, on the
contrary, lots of good arguments why it should be available, and lots
of people who want it to be available.

I quote:

"Only problem is, I'm not sure I understand what the problem is? So at
the risk of misunderstanding here: While the ISO checked out fine for
me now, it might not for the next guy downloading it later - someone
may have changed it meanwhile. In other words, each and every person
who download the CD, not matter from where, should verify it them
self. Same thing for people who receive the CD via snail mail, they
don't know if the CD checks out OK until they verify the copy they
receive against your dvdsig.md5 them self. In other words, I see no
difference in downloading a online copy of the ISO to make my own CD,
or receive a CD via mail from someone.

Personally I would consider it a good thing if the CD is available
online from as many sources as possible, which also probably means
more people will burn copies for friends and family that do not have
download options them selves. Many people have slow connections
(modem) at home, but have access to faster connections at work,
school, public library, familie and friends etc. Nice if they can get
the CD online then, at no cost and with little effort. Of course this
will be outside of your control, but when you think about it - it
already is - and was the moment you sent the first CD copy out the
door. I assumed this is why the dvdsig/md5sum is used, so people can
verify they got a copy of the original CD, the real thing, no?"
 
R

Roger Johansson

Bjorn Simonsen said:
Me, yes. Please add attribution next time, thank you.
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I thought about that, but then again, I wasn't sure if you still see
the issue in that way, so I left it up to you to acknowledge or deny, or
ignore or change the subject.

Anyhow, it was a good summation of the pro's and con's of the discussion.

It looks like the problem stems from a fear that Pricelessware could be
stained by other people's tampering with the iso.

The same problem, as you point out, can affect the CD:s distributed via
snail mail.

Maybe we should contact all freeware authors in the world and ask them to
stop releasing freeware programs, because somebody may tamper with their
programs during the distribution.

All links to software on the Pricelessware sites should be removed too,
as they may lead to files which have been tampered with and may contain
viruses, spyware, etc.. ;-)
 
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Bjorn Simonsen

Maybe we should contact all freeware authors in the world and ask them to
stop releasing freeware programs, because somebody may tamper with their
programs during the distribution.
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But it is their programs, while in the PL CD case, Pricelessware is
involved in the distribution of someone else's work. I think someone
made a point somewhere in the discussions, that if we wanted to make
the ISO online, we should have asked the authors about it when we
(Susan) asked their consent to include their software on the CD for
snail mail distribution (Susan or others present at the time can
correct me if I am wrong) For most of the software on the CD this is
not a problem I guess (completely freeware, no limitations) but for
some it is; the few that have various "no-distro" clauses or similar
attached.

All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen
 
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REM

Roger Johansson <[email protected]> wrote:
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I can't find any good reasons to not make available as iso there, on the
contrary, lots of good arguments why it should be available, and lots
of people who want it to be available.
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One problem is that the web hosts impose a limit on bandwidth :(

I forget the approximate bandwidth that was reached when the CD was
first released, but it was a bodacious amount of monthly bandwidth.

If a reliable host that allows unlimited bandwidth can be found it
might be possible to put the image file up in an official site. My
experience is hosts offer unlimited, and then clamp down a 20-30
gig/month limit, which is the industry standard apparently.

One problem with having everyone host it is that some people were
making changes to it, and it was offered as a PL project. Maybe the
changes were for the better, maybe not. Who knows?
 
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REM

Roger Johansson <[email protected]> wrote:
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I thought about that, but then again, I wasn't sure if you still see
the issue in that way, so I left it up to you to acknowledge or deny, or
ignore or change the subject.
Click to expand...
Anyhow, it was a good summation of the pro's and con's of the discussion.
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It looks like the problem stems from a fear that Pricelessware could be
stained by other people's tampering with the iso.
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The same problem, as you point out, can affect the CD:s distributed via
snail mail.
Click to expand...
Maybe we should contact all freeware authors in the world and ask them to
stop releasing freeware programs, because somebody may tamper with their
programs during the distribution.
Click to expand...
All links to software on the Pricelessware sites should be removed too,
as they may lead to files which have been tampered with and may contain
viruses, spyware, etc.. ;-)
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Recall someone announced the release in warez groups. Changes made by
this particular group would look really bad to the unsuspecting
recipients who were expecting a PL CD.
 
R

Roger Johansson

REM said:
One problem with having everyone host it is that some people were
making changes to it, and it was offered as a PL project. Maybe the
changes were for the better, maybe not. Who knows?
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After hearing all these reasons at least I now understand why there is no
link to you-know-what-CD isn't appearing on the you-know-what-site.
 
S

Susan Bugher

Bjorn said:
Officially only distributed by listed ACF'ers on demand, if memory
serves. Iso image generously hosted online here for some time now
<http://mirrors.unoc.net/pricelessware/>.
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Also Trey Hunner's bit torrent here:

http://www.freesoftwarereviews.com/pw2004.iso.torrent

"You will need Bittorrent_ for the download." I don't have bittorent -
can someone tell me if that is still a working link?

We did have an "official" ISO for a short period of time - but the
demand was overwhelming and the site went down. I'll add links for these
"unofficial" distributions to the PL CD page.

Susan
 
R

REM

After hearing all these reasons at least I now understand why there is no
link to you-know-what-CD isn't appearing on the you-know-what-site.
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Yes, it's simply to assure the content was as was intended.

If you put out "Roger Johansson's Greatest Freeware CD," well marked
with your personal seal of approval, and someone sticks warez,
malware, whatever on it and leaves your personal indicators it is not
good. To save the honor of the volunteers who made the CD so is the
hopeful outcome I guess.

A checksum was included. I'm unsure exactly how many people bother to
check it though. Honestly, I've never checked any checksum other than
the PL one just to make sure it works. My bad.

I might look for a web host that allows unlimited bandwidth and see if
it's possible to put an official image online. It seems to be a fair
project.

The 20-30 gig/month services would be sucked dry within a day or two
:(
 

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