Windows XP Issue (Activation) II

[Guest]

Sorry to burst your bubble here Kurt, but it's called "Theft of Intellectual
Property" and is a definite crime. 10 years and/or $250,000.00 per occurance
worth of crime. If you would care to research this sort of thing before
giving out free error ridden legal advise, (also a crime) it might be a good
idea. I know folks don't like Micrsoft much, neither do I, but that is no
excuse to break the law.

And no, I don't speed on the highway. I save that for the track where it
belongs.

 

[Guest]

Nope, not perfect by a long shot! F*c* up plenty! BUT, and this is important,
I NEVER violate any EULA either in my business efforts or in private. Reason
being it can be too damned expensive. I have seen what happens when a
business is audited for proper compliance of EULAs. $50,000.00 per violation!
Loss of any mfg certifications you might hold, business down the drain. Not
worth the cost of a measly motherboard even if it is for my own mom.
The other thing I'm not is J.C. Techiestar. But I am carful enough not to
have made this mistake. On an OEM machine you go to the OEM for support, NOT
the vendor of the components. This little bugaboo is why.

 

[Terry]

On 1/31/2005 11:31 AM On a whim, Michael pounded out on the keyboard

Perhap Daygo you should have considered the ramifications of purchasing a POS
computer like an e-machine. It may make you angry about the recovery CD's but
that is the of it and getting angry really gets you nowhere. You are
technically in violation of the EULA and Microsoft would be well within their
rights to nail you for it. "Honest" people do not knowingly violate laws or
contracts.

:

Have you not noticed lately that eMachines is getting some of the
highest consumer ratings? Probably not. I doubt the computer they own is
one of the early cheapo products since XP wasn't out back then. And
eMachines clearly went after the low end market so people got what they
paid for. We purchased a couple of the early machines (366i) and both of
them are still being used.

And as far as your comment, ""Honest" people do not knowingly violate
laws or contracts." Well since you're so quick to cast the first stone
Mr. Perfect, next time your computer screws up, let's see how many hoops
you jump through to get it working. And I don't doubt you'll try
*anything*. When someone's computer goes down, the first priority is to
make sure they can get to their data. They're not going to worry about a
stupid EULA when the dead computer has a perfectly legit copy of the OS
on it.


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[Terry]

On 1/31/2005 11:55 AM On a whim, Michael pounded out on the keyboard

Well spanky, you have received your answers many times over but let's review
shall we?
You asked if what you did was wrong. Answer: YES
You asked if you could get into trouble for it. Answer: YES
You asked if you would. Answer: Probably not, but you should surely not do
it again on your friends computer.

As to questioning your knowlege of computers I think that there can be no
doubt that we won't do that. You obviously know just enough to be dangerous
to other people's PCs. Leave the tech support to the Techs.

If you read the complete thread, you would see basically your answers
are wrong.

I believe you should take your own advice in the last paragraph...

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[Terry]

On 1/31/2005 12:47 PM On a whim, Michael pounded out on the keyboard

Nope, not perfect by a long shot! F*c* up plenty! BUT, and this is important,
I NEVER violate any EULA either in my business efforts or in private. Reason
being it can be too damned expensive. I have seen what happens when a
business is audited for proper compliance of EULAs. $50,000.00 per violation!
Loss of any mfg certifications you might hold, business down the drain. Not
worth the cost of a measly motherboard even if it is for my own mom.
The other thing I'm not is J.C. Techiestar. But I am carful enough not to
have made this mistake. On an OEM machine you go to the OEM for support, NOT
the vendor of the components. This little bugaboo is why.

:

And any good tech after finding out the OEM didn't have any updates
would most likely go directly to the motherboard manufacturer, which he
did. The update allowed him to bypass his onboard video and use the
video card instead. This wasn't offered by eMachines. I don't know
anyone in their right mind that would just run out and buy a new
motherboard and a copy of XP rather than updating their BIOS first and
exhausting all other avenues. Except you.


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[kurttrail]

Nope, not perfect by a long shot! F*c* up plenty! BUT, and this is
important, I NEVER violate any EULA either in my business efforts or
in private. Reason being it can be too damned expensive. I have seen
what happens when a business is audited for proper compliance of
EULAs. $50,000.00 per violation! Loss of any mfg certifications you
might hold, business down the drain. Not worth the cost of a measly
motherboard even if it is for my own mom.

LOL! No court in the land would fine an individual $50,000 in this
situation, even if MS grew some ball and sued. The mother paid for the
use of XP. And all her son did was make sure she could use it.

The other thing I'm not is J.C. Techiestar. But I am carful enough
not to have made this mistake. On an OEM machine you go to the OEM
for support, NOT the vendor of the components. This little bugaboo is
why.

LOL! I believe the OP stated the computer was already out of warranty,
so emachines wouldn't replace a motherboard on a computer that wasn't
under warranty anymore.

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[kurttrail]

Sorry to burst your bubble here Kurt, but it's called "Theft of
Intellectual Property" and is a definite crime. 10 years and/or
$250,000.00 per occurance worth of crime. If you would care to
research this sort of thing before giving out free error ridden legal
advise, (also a crime) it might be a good idea. I know folks don't
like Micrsoft much, neither do I, but that is no excuse to break the
law.

There is no theft here. The mother paid for a copy of XP. MS was paid.
And what does that have to do about contract law, and violating the
EULA?

And no, I don't speed on the highway. I save that for the track where
it belongs.

Never speeded in a 25 mile an hour zone? Done 26mph? I don't believe
you!

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[Leythos]

And any good tech after finding out the OEM didn't have any updates
would most likely go directly to the motherboard manufacturer, which he
did. The update allowed him to bypass his onboard video and use the
video card instead.

Not quite what the OP stated - he use a second card which worked in the
machine without the BIOS update, but that card was a test card from
another machine (a clients machine). The only other card he had access to
was one that didn't work in the machine without the BIOS Update.

Now, like it or not - taking the path that he did invalidated the OEM's
license and was short sighted of the OP.

 

[Terry]

On 1/31/2005 2:05 PM On a whim, Leythos pounded out on the keyboard

Not quite what the OP stated - he use a second card which worked in the
machine without the BIOS update, but that card was a test card from
another machine (a clients machine). The only other card he had access to
was one that didn't work in the machine without the BIOS Update.

Now, like it or not - taking the path that he did invalidated the OEM's
license and was short sighted of the OP.

And like it or not, he did what any other person with a penny's worth of
sense would have done. Short sighted you call him? Kudos to him I say,
he got the computer working again! And he got the answers he needed,
without any of your mindless dribble.

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[daygo140]

On an OEM machine you go to the OEM for support, NOT

the vendor of the components. This little bugaboo is why.

OK, JC Techiestar,

Then you'd let your PC sit in the corner and collect dust then. Emachines
don't offer the needed BIOS with the appropriate updates let alone the one
that came with the PC.

As far as you questioning my tech experience and knowledge, I've fixed over
thousands of PC's, hooked up hundreds of networks, and offered tons of PC
support. You probably couldn't shine my shoes. I also have 7 credits left
to get a Bachelor's in IT with a Computer Systems Concentration. I've been
working on PC's since Windows 3.1. Learned from the best, learned on my own
(reading and my own troubles), and taught in school. I also work for a BIG
Fortune 500 Company (they just had a 57 billion dollar transaction) and they
come to me from other departments to get my Tech Support.

You probably wouldn't of gotten this far you would of thrown the mobo away.
I bet a million dollars you would of never got this to work!!

The true Tech Supah Star!

 

[Tom Pepper Willett]

ROFLMAO!

And you're here!

 

[Guest]

As far as you questioning my tech experience and knowledge, I've fixed over
thousands of PC's, hooked up hundreds of networks, and offered tons of PC
support. You probably couldn't shine my shoes. I also have 7 credits left
to get a Bachelor's in IT with a Computer Systems Concentration. I've been
working on PC's since Windows 3.1. Learned from the best, learned on my own
(reading and my own troubles), and taught in school. I also work for a BIG
Fortune 500 Company (they just had a 57 billion dollar transaction) and they
come to me from other departments to get my Tech Support

You're a techie? Really?? Well you hide it well.... LOL thanks for the
laughs. To keep this "issue" going for so many posts surely must qualify you
for troll of the month if not the year. I don't think anybody who comes
along now can top you for the award.

 

[Gord Dibben]

One would think that with all that schooling and expertise you should have
learned a bit of grammar along the way.

Gord

 

[daygo140]

Hey salt shaker,

If you had bothered to read the OP you'd see that it had nothing to do with
needing technical support. I wanted some info on WPA and licensing, I am
not a lawyer.

 

[daygo140]

You are just mad that your Mom was hitting on me after I fixed her PC and
you couldn't.

 

[Leythos]

Then you'd let your PC sit in the corner and collect dust then. Emachines
don't offer the needed BIOS with the appropriate updates let alone the one
that came with the PC.

I think you already told us that the first card you tried worked fine, but
it was a card out of a clients machine and the one you ended up using DID
NOT WORK without the BIOS update. So, if you had used the right card you
would have had a working box, no update needed, and it would not be
sitting in a corner collecting dust.

[snipped whining about your education and crap that means nothing]

You're a funny sort - claiming to have so much experience and almost a
degree in CS, but you don't understand the ideals behind licensing and you
didn't want to call MS to get a proper answer from them?

You claim to have experience, but you still didn't call MS and ask them
for the answer to your situation?

Based on what I've seen in your responses you're just a wanna-be tech that
will always be a grunt in the field, one that will have to change jobs
frequently because of problems or competence.

What you really need to do is one of two things:

1) Stop trying to make excuses for your violation of the EULA.
or
2) Call MS and tell them your story and post back what they told you.

 

[daygo140]

I don't have to prove nothing to anyone here. I must not be that bad with
all the people that consitantly consult with me to fix their PC. Everyone
of them has came back and referred their acquaintances to me.

As far as my grammar...I didn't know I was handing in this thread for
grading. Knit-picker.

 

[Tom Pepper Willett]

Thousands of computers.
I wonder how many a day for how many years?

The math is amazing!

This troll's credibility is out the window.

Remember, he started with his mom's computer.

Now, he repairs the world!

ROFL!!

| "daygo140" wrote:
|
| > As far as you questioning my tech experience and knowledge, I've fixed
over
| > thousands of PC's, hooked up hundreds of networks, and offered tons of
PC
| > support. You probably couldn't shine my shoes. I also have 7 credits
left
| > to get a Bachelor's in IT with a Computer Systems Concentration. I've
been
| > working on PC's since Windows 3.1. Learned from the best, learned on my
own
| > (reading and my own troubles), and taught in school. I also work for a
BIG
| > Fortune 500 Company (they just had a 57 billion dollar transaction) and
they
| > come to me from other departments to get my Tech Support
|
| You're a techie? Really?? Well you hide it well.... LOL thanks for the
| laughs. To keep this "issue" going for so many posts surely must qualify
you
| for troll of the month if not the year. I don't think anybody who comes
| along now can top you for the award.
|

 

[Tom Pepper Willett]

ROFL...you are really the expert!!!

You can only get by with name calling...

You are a joke!

You actually do take after your mother!


ROFL!


| Hey salt shaker,
|
| If you had bothered to read the OP you'd see that it had nothing to do
with
| needing technical support. I wanted some info on WPA and licensing, I am
| not a lawyer.
|
|
|
| | > ROFLMAO!
| >
| > And you're here!
| >
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Guest]

That's not humanly possible. You're just a real thinker aren't you? Your
intelligence is just mind blowing...wow! I don't believe you're a computer
tech. I don't believe you work for a BIG Fortune 500 company. What I do
believe is that you need to grow up or attend anger management classes maybe
even get a colostomy bag for your mouth!