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Cheryl Lindsey
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Leythos
I there are 2 licenses 1 copy of Windows (Well technically 2 copies of
Windows, but only the one copy works). Get it right. You have a hard
time retaining information, and just LETTING IT GO!
Nope, you need to get it right and retaining what was said by the OP in
this thread:
1) As already mentioned, he broke the XP install, which invalidated the
license. Down 1 license.
2) His licensed copy was already activated and installed.
3) He used his already activated key to activate another installation of
Windows.
Count with me now:
Windows #1 - invalidated, broke license agreement - license down the
drain.
Windows #1 - already installed, second install of same key, violation of
EULA.
Two installs of same key - bzzzzt, violation of EULA.
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daygo140
Ok Mr. Do-gooder. I bet you didn't go to church today. Maybe you should
put more of your energy of being a good Christian instead of wasting your
time and trying to get MVP status. You are definately of the brown-noser
sycophant type. Help people with knowledgeable information with intent to
help not trying to get an extra hair on your chest in a sycophant manner.
put more of your energy of being a good Christian instead of wasting your
time and trying to get MVP status. You are definately of the brown-noser
sycophant type. Help people with knowledgeable information with intent to
help not trying to get an extra hair on your chest in a sycophant manner.
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daygo140
Xbox too. Among purchasing and running only one OS to one PC since Windows
3.1.
3.1.
daygo140 said:Just because he installed an unlicensed copy of Windows on his computer
does not make it legal and it doesn't matter what I think in fact, by
definition he admitted he did violate the EULA.
I there are 2 licenses 1 copy of Windows (Well technically 2 copies of
Windows, but only the one copy works). Get it right. You have a hard
time retaining information, and just LETTING IT GO! If it makes you feel
any better, I also have a copy of Windows XP Professional, Office 2003
Professional, Microsoft Wireless & Optical Keyboard and Mouse set, all of
which I paid for and only run the software on ONE of my PC's. I actually
love MS and what they did for the technical/digital era in the past
decades. But this WPA, OEM, retail crap sucks for us techs that have to
fix PC's and everybody who owns them.
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daygo140
Screw the MVP title I think your trying to get a job (step up from Taco
Bell) in the security dept of MS.
Bell) in the security dept of MS.
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Terry
On 1/30/2005 3:26 PM On a whim, Leythos pounded out on the keyboard
No, you're making a big deal about mice nuts. What do you mean the BIOS
didn't support "another one"? You're reaching now...
The real issue is you're making an issue over nothing. Inconvenient
isn't it at all. Let me say it for you, get over it.
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No, he put in a video card that worked, but he took it out and used
another that the system didn't support with the current BIOS, so, he made
a choice to pirate a copy for his Mom after he didn't have time to get a
working card for the system.
Now, do you understand the real issue here - it was inconvenient for him
to fix it correctly.
No, you're making a big deal about mice nuts. What do you mean the BIOS
didn't support "another one"? You're reaching now...
The real issue is you're making an issue over nothing. Inconvenient
isn't it at all. Let me say it for you, get over it.
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Terry
Bottom line here is, I HAD to flash the BIOS, plain and simple. EMachines
does not offer the updated version with the fix I needed, I believe they
don't even offer BIOS's period.
Bottom line is you shouldn't have flashed then. You pretty much did the
same thing as putting leaded gas in a non-lead gas car. Good luck with
your next motherboard.
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Yes, DON'T try something else first. Just go out and buy another MB,
another copy of XP. DON'T try doing something that wouldn't cost you
anything. NONE OF US would ever try that!
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Terry
On 1/30/2005 3:41 PM On a whim, Leythos pounded out on the keyboard
If you read closer I didn't say you said to buy anything. What you DID
say was to search the internet for a replacement video card.
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That's not what he said - he said the cheap card worked, but it was not
his card, so he put in a different card. I didn't ask him to buy anything,
I said it was his choice to pirate XP vs installing a card that would work.
If you read closer I didn't say you said to buy anything. What you DID
say was to search the internet for a replacement video card.
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kurttrail
Leythos said:Exactly, so you can't really spout that it's legal or not legal then
can you. So, by contract, it's not a legal install in the eyes of the
vendor and MAY be actionable if they choose.
I can spout that as of right now it is not illegal, as there is no legal
precendent that makes it illegal. The rule of law. What MAY occur is
totally moot, as MS has MS has had over a decade to legally enforce its
EULA terms on private non-commercial individuals.
WHEN MS gets the balls to try to enforce their EULA terms on private
non-commercial individuals, give me a call, but until then MS's EULA is
nothing but hot air when it comes to private non-commercial individuals,
especially in a situation where there are two computers and two paid for
copies of the software, as is the case with the OP!
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kurttrail
kurttrail said:I can spout that as of right now it is not illegal, as there is no
legal precendent that makes it illegal. The rule of law. What MAY
occur is totally moot, as MS has MS has had over a decade to legally
enforce its EULA terms on private non-commercial individuals.
WHEN MS gets the balls to try to enforce their EULA terms on private
non-commercial individuals, give me a call, but until then MS's EULA
is nothing but hot air when it comes to private non-commercial
individuals, especially in a situation where there are two computers
and two paid for copies of the software, as is the case with the OP!
Are you done yet? I've had this arguement many times before, and I
always win it. MS and it's lackeys can scream at the top of their lungs
until they are blue in the face that a private non-commecial individual
has violated the EULA, but legally it doesn't mean a thing until it has
been proven in a court of law, and until that does happen, all your
moaning and groaning about violating the EULA is just legally
unsubstantiated bullsh*t!
Right now, SCO is suing IBM for violating its UNIX licensing agreement.
Has IBM violated the licensing agreement before a court rules it has,
just because SCO and its supporters say so? If so, then why have a
trial?
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Plato
daygo140 said:Windows XP on it? I want the sh*t your smoking!
Actually I've been sh*t limited for some time. I was thinking of going
to Hawaii and sending some home via ups.
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Leythos
Ok Mr. Do-gooder. I bet you didn't go to church today. Maybe you should
put more of your energy of being a good Christian instead of wasting your
time and trying to get MVP status. You are definately of the brown-noser
sycophant type. Help people with knowledgeable information with intent to
help not trying to get an extra hair on your chest in a sycophant manner.
I don't go to church and I don't need or want MVP status. You failed to
answer the question so you tried to divert the thread- answer the question
if you have any real honor (but most pirates don't).
It still stands - answer the question - All 5 are below:
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Leythos
MS and it's lackeys can scream at the top of their lungs
until they are blue in the face that a private non-commecial individual
has violated the EULA, but legally it doesn't mean a thing until it has
been proven in a court of law, and until that does happen, all your
moaning and groaning about violating the EULA is just legally
unsubstantiated bullsh*t!
I agree, sort of, it's true they will have to prove it in case, but,
here's the real question - do you want to be the person they pick to set
the case? Do you want your parents or friends to have to go through this?
While it may not be something they CURRENTLY go after, it is a violation
of the EULA, and unless you're willing to pay the attorneys fees for
everyone you tell to violate it, then you should really just say that MS
has not gone after any HOME user for violating the agreement, but they may
do so at their own choice.
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kurttrail
Leythos said:I agree, sort of, it's true they will have to prove it in case, but,
here's the real question - do you want to be the person they pick to
set the case?
Actually I've challenged MS to sue me on numerous occasions. Still
waiting.
Do you want your parents or friends to have to go
through this?
My mom has only one computer.
While it may not be something they CURRENTLY go after, it is a
violation of the EULA,
See, you still don't get the point. Has IBM violated SCO UNIX license
just because SCO claims it?
and unless you're willing to pay the attorneys
fees for everyone you tell to violate it, then you should really just
say that MS has not gone after any HOME user for violating the
agreement, but they may do so at their own choice.
Actually MS stands a good chance of losing right off the bat just for
waiting for so long to prove it in a court of law. That would be my
first motion against them, to ask the judge for a summary judgement
because of MS's lack of due diligence in legally enforcing its EULA for
over a decade, while knowing that private non-commercial individuals
have been ignoring their EULA all that time. And I would use Activation
against them to prove just that, their foreknowledge that they knew that
people ignore the EULA, but didn't try to enforce it buy the ONLY legal
means to enforce it, in a real court of law.
"Right now, SCO is suing IBM for violating its UNIX licensing agreement.
Has IBM violated the licensing agreement before a court rules it has,
just because SCO and its supporters say so? If so, then why have a
trial?"
We have trial because the software manufacturer is not a law unto
itself, though that is exactly what MS has made itself into with Product
Activation. It has set itself up as judge and jury when someone when it
comes to EULA disputes between them and their customers, and how do you
think a judge is gonna rule when MS has try to subvert the legal means
to enforce their EULA, and sues someone that has paid them for Windows,
but didn't follow MS bullsh*t rules exactly as MS wants them to?
MS will never sue private non-commercial individuals over their EULA
usage rules, because there is a very good chance it will lose, and then
they'd lose all money from people that paid for the same software more
than once. They love all the FUD surrounding their EULA when it comes
to private non-commercial use, because all it does is add more billions
to its already humungous margins.
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daygo140
It still stands - answer the question - All 5 are below:<<
You genuinely cleared it all up for me now. There was only speculation, but
it IS true. You are a moron. You just pound away on your keyboard and
don't think. Maybe you do not have the brain power.
There is not ONE question you asked, there all statements. You must of
missed that class about learning the fundamentals of English back in first
grade. I'll give you a tip, questions ususally have THESE ?????. If they
were questionS you should of made question; questions. I guess if you can't
beat the knit pickers you may as well join them.
So what. I have two licenses. A PK/authentication key is just a tool to
enforce EULA. The EULA says you need one license for each PC running an MS
OS. I'm good. Besides I don't give a f*ck at this point.
I have to take all things into consideration when fixing a customer's PC
(especially my MOM's), I had to use this method of fixing it because of time
restraints (MS or you for that matter wouldn't of been the ones losing
money, my MOM would be). MS and this problem (which you have no idea about)
shouldn't manipulate what method I use to fix any computer. The needs of
the customers come first, obviously something you nor MS don't know about.
I did NOTHING unethical. ---I'd be wrong to point the finger at MS, If my
PC or my Mom's PC stay working then I TAKE THAT BACK.
Besides they really weren't CLEAR means to fix the computer, that was just
another one of your many speculations.
I guess I'll have to deal with it when something happens. Oh well, I don't
give a sh*t at this point. Tell me something that I give a shit about. My
original questions have been answered. I'm satisfied (WHY THE HELL AREN'T
U?) even if they are wrong or right.
Again tell me something that I give a shit about. My original questions
have been answered. I'm satisfied (WHY THE HELL AREN'T U?) even if they are
wrong or right.
I hope MS don't have that attitude. Remember we (well you are a suck ass)
are their customers. IT DOES MAKE DIFFERENCE, we are the ones to decide
whether or not we will purchase MS's products. MS can choose to ignore it
now, but some day things may change, and some younger "Bill Gates" with
another breakthru OS will be born. If MS decides to deactivate me and my
Mom, I'll remember this, even if I'm 80 years old.
You genuinely cleared it all up for me now. There was only speculation, but
it IS true. You are a moron. You just pound away on your keyboard and
don't think. Maybe you do not have the brain power.
There is not ONE question you asked, there all statements. You must of
missed that class about learning the fundamentals of English back in first
grade. I'll give you a tip, questions ususally have THESE ?????. If they
were questionS you should of made question; questions. I guess if you can't
beat the knit pickers you may as well join them.
So what. I have two licenses. A PK/authentication key is just a tool to
enforce EULA. The EULA says you need one license for each PC running an MS
OS. I'm good. Besides I don't give a f*ck at this point.
I have to take all things into consideration when fixing a customer's PC
(especially my MOM's), I had to use this method of fixing it because of time
restraints (MS or you for that matter wouldn't of been the ones losing
money, my MOM would be). MS and this problem (which you have no idea about)
shouldn't manipulate what method I use to fix any computer. The needs of
the customers come first, obviously something you nor MS don't know about.
I did NOTHING unethical. ---I'd be wrong to point the finger at MS, If my
PC or my Mom's PC stay working then I TAKE THAT BACK.
Besides they really weren't CLEAR means to fix the computer, that was just
another one of your many speculations.
I guess I'll have to deal with it when something happens. Oh well, I don't
give a sh*t at this point. Tell me something that I give a shit about. My
original questions have been answered. I'm satisfied (WHY THE HELL AREN'T
U?) even if they are wrong or right.
Again tell me something that I give a shit about. My original questions
have been answered. I'm satisfied (WHY THE HELL AREN'T U?) even if they are
wrong or right.
I hope MS don't have that attitude. Remember we (well you are a suck ass)
are their customers. IT DOES MAKE DIFFERENCE, we are the ones to decide
whether or not we will purchase MS's products. MS can choose to ignore it
now, but some day things may change, and some younger "Bill Gates" with
another breakthru OS will be born. If MS decides to deactivate me and my
Mom, I'll remember this, even if I'm 80 years old.
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Leythos
Oh well, I don't
give a sh*t at this point. Tell me something that I give a shit about.
That pretty much sums up your entire part of this thread - you didn't care
about the answer to your question, you just wanted to find someone to make
you feel better about your clear violation of the product - you found a
couple people that said you're OK and many that said you violated the EULA.
I'm satisfied (WHY THE HELL AREN'T U?) even if they are
wrong or right.
If you are happy with the violation and that some lamer told you it's fine
to violate the EULA, then why do you keep arguing with people that keep
saying that you are in violation of the EULA - you already said you don't
care if you violated it.... Still having pangs of guilt about your mothers
system?
If you're happy being in the WRONG, then stop replying.
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Guest
Perhap Daygo you should have considered the ramifications of purchasing a POS
computer like an e-machine. It may make you angry about the recovery CD's but
that is the of it and getting angry really gets you nowhere. You are
technically in violation of the EULA and Microsoft would be well within their
rights to nail you for it. "Honest" people do not knowingly violate laws or
contracts.
computer like an e-machine. It may make you angry about the recovery CD's but
that is the of it and getting angry really gets you nowhere. You are
technically in violation of the EULA and Microsoft would be well within their
rights to nail you for it. "Honest" people do not knowingly violate laws or
contracts.
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kurttrail
Michael said:Perhap Daygo you should have considered the ramifications of
purchasing a POS computer like an e-machine. It may make you angry
about the recovery CD's but that is the of it and getting angry
really gets you nowhere. You are technically in violation of the EULA
and Microsoft would be well within their rights to nail you for it.
"Honest" people do not knowingly violate laws or contracts.
Honest people do violate the law every day, or there is nobody that is
really honest. Ever speed while driving?
As for contracts, there is no law that makes breaking a contract
illegal. If you feel the terms are unconscionable or violates the law,
then you have every right to break those terms. If the party of the
first part disagrees with you, then they have to sue you and get a court
to agree with them.
MS is too scared to sue, when it comes to legally enforcing their EULA
usage terms on private non-commercial individuals because there is a
very good chance that they'd lose, and then they'd lose all the revenue
from all the people they FUD into buying more than one copy of their
software.
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Guest
" The BIOS flash fixed the problem. I didn't come here to have you question
Well spanky, you have received your answers many times over but let's review
shall we?
You asked if what you did was wrong. Answer: YES
You asked if you could get into trouble for it. Answer: YES
You asked if you would. Answer: Probably not, but you should surely not do
it again on your friends computer.
As to questioning your knowlege of computers I think that there can be no
doubt that we won't do that. You obviously know just enough to be dangerous
to other people's PCs. Leave the tech support to the Techs.
my PC knowledge, refer to the original post. I asked a few questions to be
answered. I didn't come here to be questioned about anything or critized.
I wanted ANSWERS to the questions."
Well spanky, you have received your answers many times over but let's review
shall we?
You asked if what you did was wrong. Answer: YES
You asked if you could get into trouble for it. Answer: YES
You asked if you would. Answer: Probably not, but you should surely not do
it again on your friends computer.
As to questioning your knowlege of computers I think that there can be no
doubt that we won't do that. You obviously know just enough to be dangerous
to other people's PCs. Leave the tech support to the Techs.
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kurttrail
Michael said:Well spanky, you have received your answers many times over but let's
review shall we?
You asked if what you did was wrong. Answer: YES
No he didn't.
You asked if you could get into trouble for it. Answer: YES
How?
You asked if you would. Answer: Probably not, but you should surely
not do it again on your friends computer.
Says you. His friend paid for his copy of XP. It's not like MS didn't
already get it's money for the OS on his friends computer.
As to questioning your knowlege of computers I think that there can
be no doubt that we won't do that. You obviously know just enough to
be dangerous to other people's PCs. Leave the tech support to the
Techs.
That can be said of any tech, unless you are perfect. Are you Jesus
Chris, TechieStar?
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