Windows XP Issue (Activation) II

[daygo140]

Thanks, I needed that!!!

I believe that Bill Gates prefers to abduct those who violate Product
Activation in the dark of night, and take them to the extensive dungeons
he has beneath his mansion, where he tortures them by forcing them to use
Microsoft Bob.

 

[Al Smith]

Ok so you suppose my Mom should have to pay for ANOTHER copy of Windows XP?

That's BS!!!!

That's why this whole WPA thing is BS!!!! Honest people like me and my Mom
are the one's that pay (for the big fish's copy (pirate)).

That's the trouble with Product Activation, and why it drives me
crazy. It hurts the little guy. It wastes an enormous amount of
potentially productive time that doesn't need to be wasted. It
scares people into buying copies of the software they don't need.
It intimidates them into not upgrading their computers, or buying
new computers when they don't really need to, just to avoid hassles.

What Microsoft should do is sell one version of XP at one price
that is low enough for everyone to afford (say, $50), and allow it
to be installed or copied as many times as anybody wishes, for
personal individual use. It would save millions upon millions of
work hours.

 

[kurttrail]

And, as is shown by your post, you don't have a clue as to where MS
will take checking or authentication. I already know that MS does
indeed track keys, I've seen it first hand on our individual keys and
on our Volume License keys...

VL keys, yes I know MS has reissued them. As for Retail and OEM, it
would be a logistical nightmare.

Now, what to tell me again how MS is not going to track him down
ever, not going to EVER deny him/mom anything - you might think, but
you don't know - big difference.

I didn't say "ever," moron.

And you haven't explained how MS is supposed to figure out that one copy
has been installed on 2 different computers, when PA can't figure out
what hardware XP has been installed on, and that MS purges activation
data from its activation server after 120 days.

"Can a product (e.g. Windows XP or Office 2003) be remotely disabled
through product activation?"
"No, the product cannot be remotely disabled through product
activation." - http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_faq.mspx

Read and learn, instead of delving into FUD!

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[Al Smith]

And the answer is that once you flashed the BIOS the machine was no longer

an e-machines computer. Since MS DOES NOT SUPPORT OEM INSTALLS, and since
E-Machines does not support unauthorized BIOS updates, you have one
solution, restore the old BIOS.

It magically became a different computer because the BIOS was
flashed? Wow, neat trick. I'd pay to see that done on stage.

 

[Al Smith]

Bottom line is I installed a copy of Windows XP on my mom's PC. It's

running better than it has ever did.
I'm not removing it. Unless I get a court order to do so. I simply wanted
answers for questions AFTER the installation. I suggest you view my
original post.

You did the right thing. But imagine all the people who get
intimidated into buying a new copy of XP, or even a whole new
computer.

 

[Terry]

On 1/30/2005 12:03 PM On a whim, Leythos pounded out on the keyboard

And how does that change the fact that you bought a card that didn't work
with the machine, found an unauthorized update, installed update,
invalidated your activation/licenses, and then decided to steal a copy for
your Mom?

A simple trip to the web could have got you another card in short time.

And don't give me that crap about her running a business on it - no-one
runs a business on an e-machine PC, they are the lowest end of the PC gene
pool and are only good for boat anchors mostly




No, you would have had to purchase one to replace the broken one, instead
of putting your Mom at risk and making your job easier, not to mention
that her licenses is now invalid by your actions and not taking the time
to do the job properly.




Yea, if I were your consultant you would have have had these problems and
would still have a valid XP License on both computers.

All of MY comments were directly related to your questions and issues.

What you missed here was the video card was a chip on the MB. No way to
replace it. He put in a video card and that is when the BIOS complained.

Who wouldn't have tried the BIOS update before the expense of a new MB,
copy of XP, etc?


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[kurttrail]

Wrong has nothing to do with it - he wanted specific answers to
legality questions - they were answered clearly by some, with FUD
from others, and speculation by more.

The simple fact is that what he did violates the EULA, that there is
no guarantee that anything from MS will be provided to any violators,
which is complete fact.

I have, as a matter of fact, seen invalidated systems,

How and under what circumstances were they invalidated? Were they
rendered unusable?

not accept
service pack updates for XP - I would assume that he will run into
this same issue in the future.

Only if MS is LYING!

"Can a product (e.g. Windows XP or Office 2003) be remotely disabled
through product activation?"
"No, the product cannot be remotely disabled through product
activation." - http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_faq.mspx

So are you saying that MS is a liar?

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[kurttrail]

And do you have a real answer or just more speculation? If you think
you have an answer then you need to be working with MS. Cleo.

"Can a product (e.g. Windows XP or Office 2003) be remotely disabled
through product activation?"
"No, the product cannot be remotely disabled through product
activation." - http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_faq.mspx

Or maybe you can prove that MS is lying?

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[kurttrail]

Wrong has nothing to do with it - he wanted specific answers to
legality questions - they were answered clearly by some, with FUD
from others, and speculation by more.

The simple fact is that what he did violates the EULA, that there is
no guarantee that anything from MS will be provided to any violators,
which is complete fact.

Then you will be able to point to some legal precedent where a private
individual was found guilty of breaking a EULA under the circumstances
the OP has describe. Put up or shut up. A EULA violation is not a
LEGAL FACT, until it has been proven in a court of law!

I have, as a matter of fact, seen invalidated systems, not accept
service pack updates for XP - I would assume that he will run into
this same issue in the future.

You can ASSume all the FUD you like, but that doesn't make it reality.

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[Terry]

On 1/30/2005 5:34 AM On a whim, Leythos pounded out on the keyboard

I did read the thread and answered the technical side of the problem -
care to use your brain to tell me where I missed something that I didn't
address?

Sure. He said the PS blew up the onboard video chip. You asked him to
search the internet for a replacement video card. WRONG! He installed a
video card and the computer would only intermittently boot. The BIOS
update fixed the issue. I don't think anyone else would have done
anything differently, even the ones who are telling him he's an idiot.


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[Al Smith]

Microsoft is a proven predatory monopoly, and a proven copyright and

patent infringer. No private individual has ever been proven to have
done ANYTHING legally wrong, for doing what you have described to this
group. So don't let the MicroSycophants get you down, and don't ever
let them make you feel like have done something wrong, when all you have
done is help out friends and family that have computer and/or OS
problems.

Well put.

 

[daygo140]

That's what I've been trying to tell them!

Isolate the variables, when all you got left is to toss your mobo in the
garbage, sh*t you might as well do it.

 

[daygo140]

Another reason think about the whole, "why didn't you wait for a eMachines
approved BIOS update" thing.

I had to do a BIOS flash for this Compaq (can't remember quite why, I think
it was an XP OS compatibitliy issue). I had a the correct model no. and
everything for the Compaq Presario. I went to HP/Compaq's website and got
the support page for THAT particular PC (trust me). I then downloaded the
recommended BIOS update for my PC, softpaq something or other. I have
performed numerous BIOS flashes in addition to following the instructions to
a "T", soon as I hit enter to execute the update, blank screen. I left it
on for at least two hours. Never was able to reboot after that.

That scared me enough to never perform a BIOS flash unless I absolutely have
to. Not to mention to trust the manufactorer. They only hope it'd go bad.
You'd would then either have to buy another mobo from them. Or most likely
buy a new PC.

So trust me it WAS my last resort. The only other option I had was to
throw it away! I think I made out pretty good.

 

[Leythos]

What you missed here was the video card was a chip on the MB. No way to
replace it. He put in a video card and that is when the BIOS complained.

No, he put in a video card that worked, but he took it out and used
another that the system didn't support with the current BIOS, so, he made
a choice to pirate a copy for his Mom after he didn't have time to get a
working card for the system.

Now, do you understand the real issue here - it was inconvenient for him
to fix it correctly.

 

[Leythos]

Then you will be able to point to some legal precedent where a private
individual was found guilty of breaking a EULA under the circumstances
the OP has describe. Put up or shut up. A EULA violation is not a
LEGAL FACT, until it has been proven in a court of law!

So, you're just saying that it's OK because he's not likely to be picked
as the first test case?

 

[Plato]

Bottom line here is, I HAD to flash the BIOS, plain and simple. EMachines
does not offer the updated version with the fix I needed, I believe they
don't even offer BIOS's period.

Bottom line is you shouldn't have flashed then. You pretty much did the
same thing as putting leaded gas in a non-lead gas car. Good luck with
your next motherboard.

 

[Leythos]

Sure. He said the PS blew up the onboard video chip. You asked him to
search the internet for a replacement video card. WRONG! He installed a
video card and the computer would only intermittently boot.

That's not what he said - he said the cheap card worked, but it was not
his card, so he put in a different card. I didn't ask him to buy anything,
I said it was his choice to pirate XP vs installing a card that would work.

 

[Leythos]

<pirate XP > ??? How the F*** did you come to that conclusion mr. holier
than though ?

Pirated installation - any install that does not use a valid activation
key.

 

[Woody]

<pirate XP > ??? How the F*** did you come to that conclusion mr. holier
than though ?

 

[Leythos]

It is fixed, moron. It is subjective whether it is fixed "correctly" or
not. And what matters isn't whether YOU think it is the correct fix,
but whether his mom thinks it is fixed to HER satisfaction. It is HER
computer, not YOURS!

Kurt, it doesn't matter to me how or if he fixed it - and you fail to see
the issue he wanted addressed: His method of fixing the computer did not
have to entail (by his own words) the installation of the new BIOS or the
pirating of an XP install. He asked about the legality of what he did and
doesn't like the answers he been given.

If you don't have anything constructive or correct to give to the group
you should leave.