Windows XP Issue (Activation) II

[daygo140]

The BIOS flash fixed the problem.

How can you possibly call rendering the computer unusable -which is what
you really did -- "fixing the problem?"

It did fix it monkey nuts. The original problem of which you have no clue
about. Hence then the reason why I came here regarding WPA. My Mom's PC is
now running better than ever with that BIOS update.

Of which you obviously have very little, or you'd not be in this
situation, in the first place.

You re absolutely right, IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR? DUDE, U HAVE NO
IDEA!!
I came here because I didn't have any knowledge of WPA and Windows XP
installations.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Your mother's machine should have MS seal on it with the
'Product Key'. This is a legal key and you paid for it. It is
not disk dependent except for restrictions on OEM stuff...
You 'should' be able to do a system repair with any disk
of the OS...
Bill
Atlanta
PS write it down in your user manual too!

No, not "any" OS installation CD. Product Keys are bound to the
specific type and language of CD/license (OEM, Volume, retail, full, or
Upgrade) with which they are purchased. For example, a WinXP Home OEM
Product Key won't work for any retail version of WinXP Home, or for any
version of WinXP Pro, and vice versa. An upgrade's Product Key cannot
be used with a full version CD, and vice versa. An OEM Product Key will
not work to install a retail product. An Italian Product Key will not
work with an English CD. Bottom line: Product Keys and CD types cannot
be mixed & matched.

It _might_ be possible for the OP to use a generic OEM CD and the
eMachines Product Key, but there's no 100% certainty that it the two
would work together.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:



You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
both at once. - RAH

 

[Bruce Chambers]

You are a total moron. Your answer is to render the PC unusable again.

Still resorting to name-calling when you've nothing else to offer, I see.

The OP has already rendered the computer unusable, and we've no way of
knowing if the BIOS flash was even necessary, in the first place. Based
on this thread, I've very little confidence in the OP's technical ability.

--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:



You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
both at once. - RAH

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Alias,

NOTE: I am not being sarcastic when I say this:

YOU ARE MY HERO!!!

Too bad he didn't give you an entirely correct answer.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:



You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
both at once. - RAH

 

[kurttrail]

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:19:58 -0500, kurttrail wrote:
[snip]

What crap did he run into? He fixed his mother's problems on his
own. The only crap he has run into is morons like you, who are such
MicroBots, that they get hung up on Bullsh*t and FUD when it comes to
answering legitimate questions regarding Product Activation.

I hate to tell you this, but I'm posting from a Red Hat Linux machine
running PAN and don't have Windows on this system.
So?

Sure, I have about
30 Windows based systems here and make a living installing MS
solutions, but I don't exist solely on MS or their beliefs.

No, then why are you giving out the MS party-line, instead of dealing
with reality?

You can
continue to be a snot, but it's not helping you or anyone else.

LOL! I'm not looking for help, moron. I already answered the OP with
the reality of the situation.

As for your reply - he didn't fix the problem, he created a problem
that was bigger than the original problem.

How is having a working computer a bigger problem than a nonworking one?

Now, he doesn't have a
valid install of the OS,

No big deal. There are millions of installs all across the globe that
aren't technically valid, but work nevertheless.

has a unbranded BIOS that was not designed
for the vendors system,

It was designed for the motherboard, and it works with XP, which the
EMachines BIOS stopped working XP.

and has no support path except his own
ability (and we've seen where that got him).....

It got him a working computer, as opposed to one that didn't work. And
I believe the OP already mentioned that the computer was already passed
the EMachines Warranty period.

Funny that he won't list why he flashed the BIOS - I suspect he really
didn't need it, but I don't really care at this point.

I suspect you really didn't care to begin with, because all you did was
focus on the BIOS that he didn't ask about.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

 

[daygo140]

Funny that he won't list why he flashed the BIOS - I suspect he really
didn't need it, but I don't really care at this point.<<

Well I tried everything, isolated all variables, till the only thing left
was throw away my mobo or flash it. I flashed it with the BIOS updated with
the particular fix I needed. BLAMMO works.

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:19:58 -0500, kurttrail wrote:
[snip]

What crap did he run into? He fixed his mother's problems on his own.
The only crap he has run into is morons like you, who are such
MicroBots, that they get hung up on Bullsh*t and FUD when it comes to
answering legitimate questions regarding Product Activation.

I hate to tell you this, but I'm posting from a Red Hat Linux machine
running PAN and don't have Windows on this system. Sure, I have about 30
Windows based systems here and make a living installing MS solutions, but
I don't exist solely on MS or their beliefs. You can continue to be a
snot, but it's not helping you or anyone else.

As for your reply - he didn't fix the problem, he created a problem that
was bigger than the original problem. Now, he doesn't have a valid install
of the OS, has a unbranded BIOS that was not designed for the vendors
system, and has no support path except his own ability (and we've seen
where that got him).....

Funny that he won't list why he flashed the BIOS - I suspect he really
didn't need it, but I don't really care at this point.

 

[Alias]

| daygo140 wrote:
| > Alias,
| >
| > NOTE: I am not being sarcastic when I say this:
| >
| > YOU ARE MY HERO!!!
| >
|
|
| Too bad he didn't give you an entirely correct answer.
|
|
| --
|
| Bruce Chambers

Really? What was incorrect?

 

[Leythos]

And what good was valid license gonna do on a computer that wouldn't
run?

Actually, the computer worked fine before - it was not shipped in a broken
format. Sure, the user wanted to ADD features or something, but he's not
telling anyone what he was trying to do that the BIOS update fixed.

So, the computer was running fine, user wanted some new/updated feature
that the machine did not support, user installed a non-vendor provided
firmware update, user broke his mothers machine, user doesn't want to
repair it, user installed illegal copy of XP, user wants to ensure that
he didn't do something he may have problems with later (which is not the
case)....

Get over it - as you seem to be fond of saying.

 

[daygo140]

GO Bruce, GO Bruce, GO Bruce!!

No, it isn't plain and simple. We've only your word for this, and, given
the content of your other posts, we've absolutely no reason the believe
that you're technically qualified to make such a decision. Quite the
opposite, in fact.

I am not trying to impress or convince any of you guys. I know my
capabilities. I can provide references from a company I'm work for, which
is a top Fortune 500 that just dropped 57 billion dollars on an aquisition.
I just wanted answers. I got them. NOW STFU!!!

You have a good way of ONLY HEARING things you want to hear and not THE
WHOLE PICTURE. As shown below. Would it be called SELECTIVE reading/posting
in this environment?

GOOD DAY
Go take a cold shower or something you might feel better. Make sure you
shave with a Mach 3 razor.

 

[kurttrail]

daygo140 wrote:


First of all, your mother had a license to use the eMachines-provided
OEM WinXP license and *no* other. She got what she paid for, as
unfeeling as that may sound.



Not at this time, but Microsoft would be well within its legal
prerogatives to institute such a measure, if they so desired, at some
time in the future. Personally, I doubt this will happen. It would
be a PR nightmare, as well as technically difficult to implement
without
adversely affecting legitimate Windows users.

It wouldn't be the first time MS has screwed legitimate users. Product
Activation does it all the time with all the various License Check
errors.

Be­low is an incomplete list of error codes that have have accompanied
va­rious different License Check errors:

0x80090006


0x80070002


0x80004005


0X800700C1


0x8007007e


0x80070003


0x80090019


0x8007007f

Jail? No. Copyright infringement, as long as there are less than 10
copies involved, and reneging on a contract (the EULA is a legally
binding contract in most jurisdictions) are violations of civil code,
not penal code. A fine? It's possible, but pretty unlikely. Large
corporations often hesitate to prosecute their legal rights against
individuals, because of the potential public relations backlash.
However, with the RIAA now successfully suing individuals for
illegally downloading music, it could be that the BSA (Business
Software Alliance), of which Microsoft is a member, could decide to
follow
suit. Currently, fines paid by companies that do this can range up to
$150,000.00 per copy.

And no private individual has ever been fined, let alone sued, for doing
the kind of non-commercial casual copying that the OP describes.

No, you can't.

"Can I install my copy onto his PC without getting my PC or my Mom's
deactivated or rendered useless?"

And just how is MS gonna deactivate or render useless his already
activated copy of XP?

You did answer the entire question!

It's illegal, regardless of the technical issues. Your friend has a
license to use only the Dell OEM version provided
with his computer, and no other. Why doesn't you friend just call
Dell to get a replacement CD?

That could take days or weeks. But his friend might need to use the
computer in the mean time.

Same as #2 above.


For a more valid assessment of your legal situation, consult an
attorney well-versed in copyright and contract law for your specific
locale.

Shilling for the legal professional along with MS, Brucey?

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

 

[daygo140]

DUDE that's it in a nutshell. (QUOTED BELOW)

And he finally answer my questions (original post). My intention was
achieved finally! I didn't know I was going to go through the third degree
to get it though.

 

[daygo140]

Wrong RAINMAN, the PC wasn't working. Or else why would I try to mess with
it? My Mom didn't want any added features she don't need. It broke, BAD!
Basically by doing what I did I prevented my Mom from spending alot of money
on a MOBO aside from other damaged components that I couldn't do anything
else but replace.

 

[Leythos]

Wrong RAINMAN, the PC wasn't working. Or else why would I try to mess
with it? My Mom didn't want any added features she don't need. It
broke, BAD! Basically by doing what I did I prevented my Mom from
spending alot of money on a MOBO aside from other damaged components
that I couldn't do anything else but replace.

Bull$hit - the BIOS that it shipped with and the OS worked fine when she
started using it. If there was a hardware failure a BIOS update would not
have corrected that. So, you're spouting BS again. If the computer was
shipped in working order then it was not unusable unless YOU changed
something about it.

I've been doing this a long time and you're statements just don't add up
to what you're trying to make us believe.

So, tell us, if you want us off your back, what was wrong, what the BIOS
update fixed, and the Model/version of the emachine and the version of the
OS that it shipped with, unless you feel that you need to hide something
from the world.

 

[Alias]

| Wrong RAINMAN, the PC wasn't working. Or else why would I try to mess
with
| it? My Mom didn't want any added features she don't need. It broke, BAD!
| Basically by doing what I did I prevented my Mom from spending alot of
money
| on a MOBO aside from other damaged components that I couldn't do anything
| else but replace.

MOBOs are cheaper than XP

Alias
|
|
| | > On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:55:08 -0500, kurttrail wrote:
| >
| >> And what good was valid license gonna do on a computer that wouldn't
| >> run?
| >
| > Actually, the computer worked fine before - it was not shipped in a
broken
| > format. Sure, the user wanted to ADD features or something, but he's not
| > telling anyone what he was trying to do that the BIOS update fixed.
| >
| > So, the computer was running fine, user wanted some new/updated feature
| > that the machine did not support, user installed a non-vendor provided
| > firmware update, user broke his mothers machine, user doesn't want to
| > repair it, user installed illegal copy of XP, user wants to ensure that
| > he didn't do something he may have problems with later (which is not the
| > case)....
| >
| > Get over it - as you seem to be fond of saying.
| >
| > --
| > (e-mail address removed)
| > remove 999 in order to email me
| >
|
|

 

[Sam]

Apparently, _Leythos_, on 30/01/05 13:35,typed:
don't add up

to what you're trying to make us believe.

So, tell us, if you want us off your back, what was wrong, what the BIOS

I thing he should give the details more for records' sakes. If anybody
experiences similar problem, this thread could be helpful to him/her.
This is in keeping with newsgroups' spirit.

Sam.

 

[kurttrail]

Did I say they would? Nope, I said "You just never know". How many
people thought they would move to Activation in the 98 days.

And how many Win98 computers require Activation today? Zero.

How many
people have Activated XP and then found that an Update declared their
Activation was not good?

I don't know of any instance of Retail and OEM copies of XP doing this.

I've had several instances where we updated
XP with SP1 and the activation was checked and we were told we could
not install SP1 based on our key - had to blow it away and start
again with new keys from MS.

Sounds like you are talking about VL Keys, not retail or OEM ones.

Yea, but, as I said, you never know. If you look closely I never
declared that the system would become unactivated, I said you never
know what they will do.

No, you just tried to imply it with FUD, instead of facts!

But the threat is there, which is what I said - you seem to have
confirmed that MS CAN sue for it.

And I can fly to the moon, but it is about as likely as MS sueing a
private individual installing a copy on somebody elses computer for
repair purposes.

Your answer is WRONG - you have no clue what MS will do in the future

My answer is correct for the present. MS does not deactivate any copy
of XP that has already been activated, and has no plans to do so in the
near future.

or how the duplication of keys/activation will impact their systems.

Duplication on one machine has no impact on any other machine. Saying
anything different is just FUD, period.

Yes, and he was told it's the wrong path to take -

It is the path he already took, and his mother has a working computer,
which she didn't have before taking that path.

and again for
various reasons in replies that he and you don't accept.

LOL! To me it would be wrong to masterbate with sandpaper, but someone
else might just get off on it. Just because you and MS might think it
is wrong for the OP to get his mom's computer working again by the
method he used, doesn't mean it is wrong for the OP or his mom, as the
alternative would be his mom would have an expensive door stop, instead
of a working computer.

See above - it's already been said.
Ditto.


You are the one spreading FUD, you have no clue what MS will do with
people that activate more than one install with the same key, you can
ONLY HOPE what you think is going to happen.

I have installed the same copy of MS's PA-disabled software on more than
one computer, so I know from first-hand experience what the consequences
are. There are none as of yet. What will happen in the future is
nothing but an exercise in shear fantasy.

The correct answer is
that installations in violation of the EULA should be considered
unstable for updates and support of any type.

Pure propaganda that is proven wrong by reality. Windows Updates still
works without Validation, and MS has already stated they will continue
to work for those using Auto Update once Mandatory Validation is
implemented. Speculating about anything past that is nothing but
meaningless FUD. Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. That is obviously where
you live, as that is all you have been spreading, and it is quite
obvious to those of us that don't owe MS our livelihoods, or our MVP
status.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

 

[daygo140]

Not the way I did it....

 

[kurttrail]

Actually, the computer worked fine before - it was not shipped in a
broken format. Sure, the user wanted to ADD features or something,
but he's not telling anyone what he was trying to do that the BIOS
update fixed.

He wasn't there when it broke. He just fixed it for his mom.

So, the computer was running fine, user wanted some new/updated
feature that the machine did not support, user installed a non-vendor
provided firmware update, user broke his mothers machine, user
doesn't want to repair it, user installed illegal copy of XP, user
wants to ensure that he didn't do something he may have problems with
later (which is not the case)....

Total Bullsh*t. Nothing but useless speculation.

Get over it - as you seem to be fond of saying.

I haven't said "Get over it" in this thread. And I can only find one
instance where I ever wrote that phrase on the USENET.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group...81&as_maxd=30&as_maxm=1&as_maxy=2005&safe=off

You are so full of sh*t that you don't know who has said what!

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

 

[daygo140]

So, tell us, if you want us off your back, what was wrong, what the BIOS

update fixed, and the Model/version of the emachine and the version of the
OS that it shipped with, unless you feel that you need to hide something
from the world.

The PSU went. Capacitor blew and due to unstable voltages produced while it
was failing, took out the integrated video card. The PC then wouldn't boot
only but once every twenty or so tries. I tried everything, finally I used
a cheapo test video card and it booted successfully. Bought a new the video
card particularlly one which when installed the system couldn't boot.
Ironically there was a BIOS update on the mobo manufacturers web site that
specifically "fixed system can't boot with that video card installed" among
other things which were beneficial. Among the fact that eMachines doesn't
provide any BIOS let alone the latest one that the mobo manufacturer had to
fix the issue.

You satisfied?

I expect nothing less than getting questions and having to get analyzed on
every little thing I just wrote. I have nothing to prove. My Mom is now
happy along with me too.

But I didn't feel like explaining something I had the fixed. Yes I could
maybe could of done this or that, which I probably tried, I spend a ton of
time on this PC before I realized it was the integrated vid card, instead of
doing what a lot of techs (even good ones) would of done, toss the mobo.

All I wanted was answers to questions I DIDN'T HAVE. Somehow most of you
got all off the scope of the post.

Anyway I had a fun time. Sorry if I pissed people off. But based on the
sentence above and the thread you can see why I was a little bitter now.

Have a good day!

Thanks for all your time. All of your input was greatly appreciated.

 

[kurttrail]

DUDE that's it in a nutshell. (QUOTED BELOW)

And he finally answer my questions (original post). My intention was
achieved finally! I didn't know I was going to go through the third
degree to get it though.

You have just been through what the MicroFaithful do to people that
don't tow the MS line. They nitpick, get totally off topic, and spread
a web of FUD until they get you become so frustrated with them that you
either give up, or have a temper tantrum, and then they'll just dismiss
you as some anti-MS kook.

Microsoft is a proven predatory monopoly, and a proven copyright and
patent infringer. No private individual has ever been proven to have
done ANYTHING legally wrong, for doing what you have described to this
group. So don't let the MicroSycophants get you down, and don't ever
let them make you feel like have done something wrong, when all you have
done is help out friends and family that have computer and/or OS
problems.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"