Windows XP Issue (Activation) II

[daygo140]

The problem you have is YOU. It is not your mother, Microsoft, or anybody

else, it is YOU. You already knew the answer and decided the solution
before you posted your first message.

I just wanted to know if there were going to be heavy repercussions to what
I ALREADY did.

you were going to fix your mothers computer that you broke come hell or
high water

Damn skippy! I didn't broke it anyhow. YOU HAVE NO CLUE.

You messed up. It is very likely you could have used any OEM XP CD of the
version Home [most likely] or Pro and the eMachines Product Key and
installed and activated without any problem plus be in compliance with the
OEM EULA license. You only changed the bios, that voided your eMachines
restore and support, but it didn't void your Microsoft OEM EULA.

Oh yeah. Too bad I don't have transcripts of the calls to MS and the toll
calls to eMachines. To sum it up the Product Key on the tower doesn't mean
SQUAT if you upgraded your BIOS.

I will ignore your rudeness, since it is was a knee-jerk reply and hope you
work out your situation as painless as possible.
If you ever need any of my "light" content, feel free to ask or use my web
site [also provided for free].

Thanks for you concern and offer to help in the future. You are a MVP
platinum member in my book!

 

[daygo140]

Bottom line here is, I HAD to flash the BIOS, plain and simple. EMachines
does not offer the updated version with the fix I needed, I believe they
don't even offer BIOS's period.

My decision to do what I did, was not because I was ignorant and didn't do
any research, because I'll be damned if I'm going to pay or have my Mom pay
for another copy of Windows XP.

I'm not passing out copies of the OS. So all you do-gooders don't worry.
Sh*t, like none of you ever downloaded anything that you didn't pay for.
WELL my Mom paid for XP, and I'll be damned if she's going to give them
another cent, unless it's for Longhorn.

 

[Bill]

Your mother's machine should have MS seal on it with the
'Product Key'. This is a legal key and you paid for it. It is
not disk dependent except for restrictions on OEM stuff...
You 'should' be able to do a system repair with any disk
of the OS...
Bill
Atlanta
PS write it down in your user manual too!

 

[Michael Stevens]

I just wanted to know if there were going to be heavy repercussions
to what I ALREADY did.

So you agree with me! Good, we are communicating!!!!

Damn skippy! I didn't broke it anyhow. YOU HAVE NO CLUE.

OK, your mothers computer needed help, you decided it had to have the bios
flashed with a non-eMachines supported bios update that rendered the
computer dead in the water.

I really must have no clue. What part did I miss, please enlighten me.

You messed up. It is very likely you could have used any OEM XP CD
of the version Home [most likely] or Pro and the eMachines Product
Key and installed and activated without any problem plus be in
compliance with the OEM EULA license. You only changed the bios,
that voided your eMachines restore and support, but it didn't void
your Microsoft OEM EULA.

Oh yeah. Too bad I don't have transcripts of the calls to MS and the
toll calls to eMachines. To sum it up the Product Key on the tower
doesn't mean SQUAT if you upgraded your BIOS.

I never call MS, and I have never called eMachines. I do plead guilty to
reading these newsgroups and I Google when necessary.
Did you try using the eMachines Product Key with a OEM XP CD? I know OEM
product keys from Dell works with other OEM XP CD's. They do require
activation when the bios is not recognized, but if the Product Key is
accepted to continue the setup, it will most likely activate successfully.
How about you losing that chip on your shoulder, I think it is blocking your
view.
You work with us we will work with you.

I will ignore your rudeness, since it is was a knee-jerk reply and
hope you work out your situation as painless as possible.
If you ever need any of my "light" content, feel free to ask or use
my web site [also provided for free].

Thanks for you concern and offer to help in the future. You are a MVP
platinum member in my book!

Well thank you..............I guess? What book you putting me in?
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[Leythos]

Bottom line here is, I HAD to flash the BIOS, plain and simple.
EMachines does not offer the updated version with the fix I needed, I
believe they don't even offer BIOS's period.

If you had come here and asked about the problem, or told us that you
didn't flash with a E-Machines BIOS or had even pointed out why you needed
to change that caused you to use a non-E-Machines BIOS, things might have
gone smoother for you in this thread.

My decision to do what I did, was not because I was ignorant and didn't
do any research, because I'll be damned if I'm going to pay or have my
Mom pay for another copy of Windows XP.

Well, it appears that it was YOUR FAULT. I've know people with several
E-Machines, not one of them has needed a BIOS Update to run the systems
with the included functionality or for XP SP2.

At the same time, to use a BIOS that invalidates the licensing agreement
is a choice YOU made. You didn't buy a retail version of the OS, you
bought a OEM copy that is for an E-Machine. With the switching of the BIOS
you change the machine from an E-Machine to a non-e-machine.

You only have one choice - stop whining and reinstall the OLD BIOS.

 

[daygo140]

Finally, someone trying to actually help rather than get brownie points from
MS and prove there unproven point. Thanks for your help Bill but I tried
that. When I placed the call to MS to activate it, we tried not entering an
activation code then proceeded to the next step and inputted the Product Key
from the tower. It came up invalid! MS support suggested I call eMachines.
EMachines basically said there was nothing I can do/didn't have a solution.

Thanks again though for your genuine concern!

 

[Leythos]

Finally, someone trying to actually help rather than get brownie points from
MS and prove there unproven point. Thanks for your help Bill but I tried
that. When I placed the call to MS to activate it, we tried not entering an
activation code then proceeded to the next step and inputted the Product Key
from the tower. It came up invalid! MS support suggested I call eMachines.
EMachines basically said there was nothing I can do/didn't have a solution.

You did get a response that would get you out of this pickle (twice) -
restore the e-machines BIOS that you flashed over. You DID make a backup
in case you needed to go back to it - right?

 

[daygo140]

OK, your mothers computer needed help, you decided it had to have theflashed with a non-eMachines supported bios update that rendered the
computer dead in the water.<<

The BIOS flash fixed the problem. I didn't come here to have you question
my PC knowledge, refer to the original post. I asked a few questions to be
answered. I didn't come here to be questioned about anything or critized.
I wanted ANSWERS to the questions.

 

[Leythos]

flashed with a non-eMachines supported bios update that rendered the
computer dead in the water.<<

The BIOS flash fixed the problem. I didn't come here to have you question
my PC knowledge, refer to the original post. I asked a few questions to be
answered. I didn't come here to be questioned about anything or critized.
I wanted ANSWERS to the questions.

And the answer is that once you flashed the BIOS the machine was no longer
an e-machines computer. Since MS DOES NOT SUPPORT OEM INSTALLS, and since
E-Machines does not support unauthorized BIOS updates, you have one
solution, restore the old BIOS.

This is not MS's fault, their licensing is quite clear for OEM software -
you need to get support from E-Machines, but since YOU performed a
unauthorized BIOS flash with non-E-Machines firmware, you invalidated your
support/warranty. Anyone that knows enough to flash a BIOS without vendor
support already knows all of this.

Since your OEM copy of Windows is no longer being installed on an
E-Machines system you don't have many options. If the activation key
didn't work, then you need to go back to the old BIOS.

Now quit crying and just accept that you screwed the pooch.

 

[daygo140]

I never call MS, and I have never called eMachines. I do plead guilty to
reading these newsgroups and I Google when necessary.
Did you try using the eMachines Product Key with a OEM XP CD? I know OEM
product keys from Dell works with other OEM XP CD's. They do require
activation when the bios is not recognized, but if the Product Key is
accepted to continue the setup, it will most likely activate successfully.
How about you losing that chip on your shoulder, I think it is blocking your
view.
You work with us we will work with you.<<

You must of never of activated a copy of Windows XP through phone support if
you never call MS.

Well like I said before, you MS heroes, fail to read through these threads:

When I placed the call to MS to activate it, we tried not entering an
activation code then proceeded to the next step and inputted the Product Key
from the tower. It came up invalid! MS support suggested I call eMachines.
EMachines basically said there was nothing I can do/didn't have a solution.

FOCUS: answer my original questions and quit trying to get the last word and
I'll shut up.

Bottom line is I installed a copy of Windows XP on my mom's PC. It's
running better than it has ever did.
I'm not removing it. Unless I get a court order to do so. I simply wanted
answers for questions AFTER the installation. I suggest you view my
original post.

 

[daygo140]

If you had come here and asked about the problem, or told us that you
didn't flash with a E-Machines BIOS or had even pointed out why you needed
to change that caused you to use a non-E-Machines BIOS, things might have
gone smoother for you in this thread.<<


You miss the point! Stick to the original post and those questions, they
are numbered if you can't find them. Don't worry what happened up until
then, I didn't ask for you to help me with that. FOCUS!

 

[daygo140]

You DID make a backup (of the BIOS)
in case you needed to go back to it - right?<<

Of course I made a backup . If I go back the problem that I flashed it in
the first place reappears. I am not getting into that. FOCUS. I don't
need help with that.

 

[Alias]

| My questions that need to be answered so I can get sleep at night:
|
| 1.) Will my or my Mom's PC render useless? (MS finding out and disabling
it
| via Windows Update or some other technique?)

Not if you installed and activated XP 120 days after you did yours, which
you obviously did or it wouldn't activate.
|
| 2.) Will I go to jail or get a fine?

Not a chance.

| 3.) My best friend bought a Dell and ran over his restoration disk with
the
| wheel of his chair, schmuck . Almost same scenario, he has the
right/license
| to run it but can't. Can I install my copy onto his PC without getting my
PC
| or my Mom's deactivated or rendered useless?

120 days ...

| 4.) Will I go to jail or get a fine if I also install it on my best
friend's
| PC?

Not a chance.

 

[daygo140]

but since YOU performed a
unauthorized BIOS flash with non-E-Machines firmware, you invalidated your
support/warranty. Anyone that knows enough to flash a BIOS without vendor
support already knows all of this.<<

The warranty is out. I don't need their support. I just wanted what my Mom
paid for. So what you are saying is either reflash, get back the original
problem; render her pc useless. Or flash and fix the PC then pay MS $$$ for
something my Mother has the rights/license to use?????

 

[Michael Stevens]

In

flashed with a non-eMachines supported bios update that rendered the
computer dead in the water.<<

The BIOS flash fixed the problem. I didn't come here to have you
question my PC knowledge, refer to the original post. I asked a few
questions to be answered. I didn't come here to be questioned about
anything or critized. I wanted ANSWERS to the questions.

LOL What did the bios flash fix? You have not told us why it had to have the
bios flash. Face it.! It did break the eMachines restore media's ability to
restore your mom's computer to a working computer.
Yes you did ask a few questions that you wanted answered. You DIDN'T like
the answers to the questions. How do you expect questions to be answered?
Truthfully, or to bolster your concept of the answer?
I am not questioning your knowledge, I am answering your questions.
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[daygo140]

Alias,

NOTE: I am not being sarcastic when I say this:

YOU ARE MY HERO!!!

THANK-YOU

 

[daygo140]

Face it.! It did break the eMachines restore media's ability to
restore your mom's computer to a working computer.<<

I did a long time ago. FOCUS and read the original post you'll see were I
"faced it".

All I got was questions about everything leading up to my questions. If I
had missed it sorry. Now I can sleep better at night, YOUR AWESOME!!

 

[kurttrail]

You did get a response that would get you out of this pickle (twice) -
restore the e-machines BIOS that you flashed over. You DID make a
backup in case you needed to go back to it - right?

You are a total moron. Your answer is to render the PC unusable again.

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[Leythos]

You are a total moron. Your answer is to render the PC unusable again.

Lets see - the PC worked when she got it, and you're saying that flashing
the BIOS back will render it unusable again? You're not making sense,
you're actually contradicting yourself.

What version of E-Machine?
What did (specifically) the BIOS flash provide?

As with many versions of XP, using the OEM CD and the product key on the
case (our e-machines PC's have them) worked many times.

So, what did the non-E-Machine BIOS fix?

 

[kurttrail]

In

LOL What did the bios flash fix? You have not told us why it had to
have the bios flash. Face it.! It did break the eMachines restore
media's ability to restore your mom's computer to a working computer.
Yes you did ask a few questions that you wanted answered. You DIDN'T
like the answers to the questions. How do you expect questions to be
answered? Truthfully, or to bolster your concept of the answer?
I am not questioning your knowledge, I am answering your questions.

"1.) Will my or my Mom's PC render useless? (MS finding out and
disabling it
via Windows Update or some other technique?)"

"2.) Will I go to jail or get a fine?"

"3.) My best friend bought a Dell and ran over his restoration disk with
the
wheel of his chair, schmuck . Almost same scenario, he has the
right/license
to run it but can't. Can I install my copy onto his PC without getting
my PC
or my Mom's deactivated or rendered useless?"

"4.) Will I go to jail or get a fine if I also install it on my best
friend's
PC?"

I haven't seen you answer these questions from his original post Mikey.
All I've seen you do is play little games to avoid directly answering
these questions. The OP isn't asking any questions about the BIOS he
reflashed, so stop trying to use it to divert from answering the OP's
questions, or aren't you man enough to answer them directly, and
honestly?

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