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Opinicus
Don't want it because it won't let me use "Classic View".
Don't need it.
Got a better one of my own.
Don't need it.
Do it myself much more effectively.
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Greg Rozelle
Then why is IBM going to Linux? Yes they will still keep windows xp
sp2 but will not put Vista on their new computers.
I also use windows 98se and puppy Linux.
I have used xp as well.
For those that say you have to do configuration with Linux. I had to
do that with xp. There are unneeded services on xp that you don't
need and some you can not disable.
Xp is slow and so is some Linux distro but not all. I tried other
things beside puppy Linux.
Greg Rozelle
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ml
Sorry to tell!
Vista is all about money and fancy pictures. Seriously... it's just a
sliding Powerpoint presentation with lot of fancy pictures. Windows
Vista is buggier, than Windows XP was, when that came out. I really
hope Vista SP1 will make it work, else I still need to tell people not
to lose money on it, because it's useless, takes lots of hanging time
and it's sooooo slow even on a Duo Core 1,8Ghz and 2Gb memory.
So... if your time is not useless... don't waste any on Windows Vista.
Sorry Bill, but you still don't have it. Please don't make GPS
software. Doohh... you already did. Ahhh... that's why Canada is in Europe.
Vista is all about money and fancy pictures. Seriously... it's just a
sliding Powerpoint presentation with lot of fancy pictures. Windows
Vista is buggier, than Windows XP was, when that came out. I really
hope Vista SP1 will make it work, else I still need to tell people not
to lose money on it, because it's useless, takes lots of hanging time
and it's sooooo slow even on a Duo Core 1,8Ghz and 2Gb memory.
So... if your time is not useless... don't waste any on Windows Vista.
Sorry Bill, but you still don't have it. Please don't make GPS
software. Doohh... you already did. Ahhh... that's why Canada is in Europe.
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Eric
Adam Albright said:
I do come to this group to see what kind of issues others are having before
I consider buying any version of it. I am not one to run out and get the
latest OS when my current one works fine.
I see a few people having significant issues, a number of trolls, and most
of the issues being minor problems that should be fixed with driver updates.
Microsoft does not have the source code for drivers. This was a problem for
them when they had to write their own drivers just for one set of hardware
to get a single version of their first 64 bit OS running for a demo. They
cannot write the drivers for every piece of hardware out there. There are
so many different pieces, so each manufacturer is responsible for their own,
and they don't care to put resources into making new drivers until the
"finalized" version of the OS is released. Upgrade Advisor should tell you
if your PC is capable of running Vista, not if it will run well or if all
your peripherals ie. Leythos' wireless NIC would work. A lot of devices did
not work properly under previous Windows versions on their initial release.
Require people to buy new hardware? What's new about that? Most people had
to upgrade their PCs, at least for more RAM, when Windows 95 was first
released.
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Eric
You do have to taste the food to know if it tastes bad, or do you justAlias said:
believe it tastes bad without ever having tasted it if 5% of people who have
tasted it tell you it is bad?
I don't know MS' sales figures but I believe they've sold hundreds of
thousands if not millions of copies of Vista by now, and I don't hear near
that many complaints. If it was such a major problem that everyone or most
everyone couldn't run it, I think it would have hit the national media by
now. The Xbox had significant problems on it's initial release and that was
all over the news in a week. I don't think trying Vista is anything like
jumping off a building. If you're scared of the water because someone else
tells you it's too cold, don't go in, and don't bother sitting around
whining about it.
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Alias
Eric said:
I'm not whining about it. I merely plan to wait until it's ready for
Prime Time and all the drivers are available. I am also not in a hurry
to run out and buy the hardware I would need to run it. What is
unreasonable about that?
As far as your statement that it's not making the news, read this:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,129126-page,1/article.html#
Alias
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Eric
Alias said:
You call that making news? That is a nice article. It starts off by saying
"There's lots to like in the newest version of Windows. Vista's look is
stunning, the OS should be more secure, and finding things is often easier.
But Windows wouldn't be Windows without those aspects, big and small, that
just drive you nuts with frustration."
That is saying they think some things could be improved, or some things
don't work quite the way they'd like them to, but they didn't have trouble
installing and running it. While you're saying the new car model is a
lemon, PC World is saying the car runs fine but the gear shifter gets in the
way when you try to change the radio station. It's a far cry from mass
riots or even class action lawsuits. Some of the problems are waiting for
driver updates, some are personal preferences that can be fixed with special
configuration, some are just quirks that make some people happy while
annoying others.
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Alias
Eric said:
Did you even read what I wrote?
Alias
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Justin
....and there you have it! Perfectly good reasons to upgrade to Basic just
like countless others.
like countless others.
J
Justin
Interesting, I can't see my previous post and I'm on the MS server.
But then again, look at where they are. That or "something else" isn't
working.
I disagree. Manufactures would much rather KEEP YOU AS A CUSTOMER then to
royally piss you off. It's much to easy to flip from/to NVIDIA to/from ATI
and they know that. Creative is a prefect example. They have pissed so
many people off that consumers are now taking a good hard look at built-in
sound options. People take driver support seriously.
arachnid said:
But then again, look at where they are. That or "something else" isn't
working.
I disagree. Manufactures would much rather KEEP YOU AS A CUSTOMER then to
royally piss you off. It's much to easy to flip from/to NVIDIA to/from ATI
and they know that. Creative is a prefect example. They have pissed so
many people off that consumers are now taking a good hard look at built-in
sound options. People take driver support seriously.
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Justin
We just aren't understanding each other.
When I said they made a mistake I meant they made the mistake of GIVING the
tool out to people. Not that they made mistakes with it's code. They never
should have released it to consumers.
But to answer what you asked (as I understood it):
"that they didn't make a mistake with hardware interfaces"
Because I've seen, used, evaluated and worked on machines that DO HAVE
proper driver support and they all RUN FINE. So if a machine CAN run fine
then how did MS make mistakes with it's "hardware interfaces"?
Here's an off the wall analogy. I (as a car dealer) received a shipment of
1000 cars. I took the liberty of filling these unleaded vehicles with
diesel (zip it about the nozzle ;p ) and then sold them all to the local
residents only to have 1000 complaints that the cars simply do not work. I
of course am outraged and call the manufacture to tell them these cars don't
work. I am convinced because this is all I see. These cars are CRAP!!!!
Who are they going to point their finger at knowing hundreds of thousands of
their other new cars are working fine?
Stop putting diesel in your Vista! Wait for more 94 octane drivers!
When I said they made a mistake I meant they made the mistake of GIVING the
tool out to people. Not that they made mistakes with it's code. They never
should have released it to consumers.
But to answer what you asked (as I understood it):
"that they didn't make a mistake with hardware interfaces"
Because I've seen, used, evaluated and worked on machines that DO HAVE
proper driver support and they all RUN FINE. So if a machine CAN run fine
then how did MS make mistakes with it's "hardware interfaces"?
Here's an off the wall analogy. I (as a car dealer) received a shipment of
1000 cars. I took the liberty of filling these unleaded vehicles with
diesel (zip it about the nozzle ;p ) and then sold them all to the local
residents only to have 1000 complaints that the cars simply do not work. I
of course am outraged and call the manufacture to tell them these cars don't
work. I am convinced because this is all I see. These cars are CRAP!!!!
Who are they going to point their finger at knowing hundreds of thousands of
their other new cars are working fine?
Stop putting diesel in your Vista! Wait for more 94 octane drivers!
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Justin
Don't forget the alternative!
Microsoft can make their OWN hardware and develop drivers for that as well
as put Vista on that hardware for you. Then Vista would only have to run on
a limited set of hardware thus giving the consumer VERY LIMITED choice....oh
wait...that's a Mac....
Eh, at least it would as stable, probably more so, then OSX.
Microsoft can make their OWN hardware and develop drivers for that as well
as put Vista on that hardware for you. Then Vista would only have to run on
a limited set of hardware thus giving the consumer VERY LIMITED choice....oh
wait...that's a Mac....
Eh, at least it would as stable, probably more so, then OSX.
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Justin
That was hilarious! As well as a perfect example of someone who doesn't
know what they are doing.
Maybe an OS that was only developed for a handleful of machines would suit
him better?
know what they are doing.
Maybe an OS that was only developed for a handleful of machines would suit
him better?
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Leythos
Here's the better analogy:
You order an engine for a car that had no other problems, in fact, you
order the 440 engine to replace the 402 engine. The vendor that makes the
440 engine list the 440 as an upgrade from the 402, tells you that it will
work perfectly, even gives you a cardboard engine to test the fit and
space with. You order the new engine, after being told that everything is
going to work fine, but, your installation is less than fine and it turns
out that you needed special engine mounting hardware that the vendor
doesn't provide, even though they told you it was a perfect upgrade from
the 402 to the 440.
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Justin
That's easy! Sine they ALREADY installed that engine in your car model tens
of thousands of times (with no problems) then they know you did something
very specific to your car to jack it up. So get off your butt and get the
"mounting" you need to get the engine installed. Yes, you have to "wait"
for the mounting and yes, attempting to create a cardboard engine that is
100% perfect without error is as impossible as creating an app that can tell
you about EVERY DRIVER, EVERY SOFTWARE, EVERY HARDWARE, EVERY FIRMWARE.
Once again, the manufacture is pointing their finger at you. It's not the
Engine Manufactures problem that YOUR Car Manufacture can't get their act
together along with countless others.
of thousands of times (with no problems) then they know you did something
very specific to your car to jack it up. So get off your butt and get the
"mounting" you need to get the engine installed. Yes, you have to "wait"
for the mounting and yes, attempting to create a cardboard engine that is
100% perfect without error is as impossible as creating an app that can tell
you about EVERY DRIVER, EVERY SOFTWARE, EVERY HARDWARE, EVERY FIRMWARE.
Once again, the manufacture is pointing their finger at you. It's not the
Engine Manufactures problem that YOUR Car Manufacture can't get their act
together along with countless others.
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Leythos
And once again it seems that you only have one position - that anyone
having problems with Vista is having those problems because of something
other than MS.
You missed the idea that the engine manufacturer forgot to state that the
new upgrade (since they also built the car and last engine, as I stated,
which you missed), needed different XYZ, while they clearly said that
everything worked.
So, you can get off your MS IS PERFECT BOX and face that MS Screwed up by
not supporting what they said they support.
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Justin
Um....when it comes to DRIVER PROBLEMS? Absolutely! Duh!Leythos said:
When it comes to Vista Mail dumping all your IMAP email for no good reason,
that's something MS needs to fix.
Your trying to lump all problems into one basic category and that's absurd!
And YOU missed the idea that it's IMPOSSIBLE to create such a cardboard tool
that can tell you everything you need to know.
The VUA NEVER claimed that vista will run 100% on your system with NO
PROBLEMS and that you would NOT NEED ANYTHING else at all to get it working.
I don't know what idiot told you that the VUA was a guarantee and that the
VUA is all you needed to evaluate your system but you need to go smack that
moron as hard as you possibly can.
Microsoft is perfect? Who the hell said that? Why is it whenever someone
is backed up into a corner or has dug themselves a hole they can’t get out
of they turn up the drama?
Microsoft perfect? Ha! That's a good one.
? Care to explain that one?
Please point us to what MS said they support.
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Eric
Leythos said:
Stop running unsupported software.
MS has currently certified at least 800 programs to work without problems on
Vista.
If your program is not certified you can run it at your own risk, wait until
it is, or use XP until it works.
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Eric
That has always been the upside and the downside of IBM compatible PCs.Justin said:Don't forget the alternative!
Microsoft can make their OWN hardware and develop drivers for that as well
as put Vista on that hardware for you. Then Vista would only have to run
on a limited set of hardware thus giving the consumer VERY LIMITED
choice....oh wait...that's a Mac....
Eh, at least it would as stable, probably more so, then OSX.
There are many more options for hardware, making it easier to break your
software with different combinations of the hardware, and giving the user a
better choice of hardware for their money through hardware vendor
competition as well as varying levels of hardware power. You can increase
or decrease your MB/CPU/Video/RAM/HD/etc to fit how much you have to spend.
Some of the different configurations may also make it run quieter, fit
better in a space, or adapt to different technology. If they develop a new
kind of monitor you don't want to have to buy a whole new machine, so maybe
you buy a new tower to support that new monitor that doesn't work with your
old tower and get the monitor upgrade later...
If we cared so much more about stability than choices, our PCs would be sold
like gaming consoles.