Vista is a great OS

[Guest]

This is just a post to state what I think about vista. I am running Vista
Home Premium on two of my pc's. Vista is not perfect. However, I love Vista,
it runs faster (in most cases) than XP did on the same machines. Personally
I think Vista it is a great OS. I have not had any of the problems most of
the posters here are posting, with the exception of one problem with PNG's.
Vista brings many new features to Windows. It is a little sad to see so many
ppl bashing Vista. If you remember XP had many bugs and issues when it was
first released but they were all worked out. With the plethora of hardware
and software combinations in the PC world, it is going to take time to
perfect any OS for the PC platform. I develope software in addition to my
other career and have been doing so with VC++ without any issues. Give Vista
a chance, just because you find a bug or are having a problem does not mean
that Vista sucks. A lot of people are just going need to figure out how
Vista works, especially with network and Internet issues. And for some with
older pc's or hardware from some vendors, will not have drivers initially. I
have been a little frustrated with one vendor in particular with their lack
of Vista drivers, they have had plenty of time to release and develope Vista
drivers for their hardware. Anyway I am sure the Vista bashers will try to
spank me here, go for it, I will keep loving Vista
G

 

[Billy]

GSX....I agree, another NON basher of Vista, I LLLLIKE it very much.

Billy

 

[Dale M. White]

Well, Obviously to some degree whether you like Vista or not, is going to be
a matter of personal taste and how you prefer your OS to behave. Bugs aside,
there is just a slew of thing I simply don't like about Vista. I don't like
Aero at all. I'm not overly into pretty eye candy and after seeing the MAC
and then seeing Vista, it's pretty obvious where the shell inspiration come
from.

I've always hated that windows explorer starts up in My documents, as I
never do anything in My documents. Vista is even worse. I hate the way the
new explorer does have the slide bar at the bottom, which when I'm moving
files from folder to folder i have to wait for it to auto slide back to the
root for me, and normally it jerks in a way that I miss the folder I want.

I don't like Superfetch, it seems to load all the wrong stuff, Why can't I
pick what I want it to pre-load. If I play the game FEAR 5 times, then it
will spend 5 mins on boot, pre-loading that game, even if I don't plan to
play it again.

I could go on and on, about all the things I just don't like about Vista.
And the biggest thing I hate is that I can't make it look (and act) more
like basic Windows XP (actually I prefer win2000). Why am I using Vista ?
Well I actual Multiple boot, but MS has me (a hard core gamer) by the balls,
If I want to play the new DX10 games in their DX10 glory, I'm forced to use
Vista.

Some people prefer alot of sizzle, I prefer alot of steak and Vista doesn't
offer much steak to me, just alot of sizzle. But I do try to limit my Vista
bashing to Tuesdays and Fridays

 

[Lee Waun]

I like it too. Wouldn't want to go back to XP.

All the drivers for my hardware work just fine and my system just hums away.

 

[philo]

This is just a post to state what I think about vista. I am running Vista
Home Premium on two of my pc's. Vista is not perfect. However, I love Vista,
it runs faster (in most cases) than XP did on the same machines. Personally
I think Vista it is a great OS. I have not had any of the problems most of
the posters here are posting, with the exception of one problem with PNG's.
Vista brings many new features to Windows. It is a little sad to see so many
ppl bashing Vista. If you remember XP had many bugs and issues when it was

<snip>

Anything I've said critical of Vista was based on the facts...not due to any
pre-disposition to bash Vista.

I've been on Usenet for many years and watched XP very closely...
and though there was some bashing of course...It was generally met with high
praise from
most of the folks...even when it was still in the Beta (Whistler) phase.
I have not seen anywhere near that level of praise for Vista

 

[Adam Albright]

Anyway I am sure the Vista bashers will try to
spank me here, go for it, I will keep loving Vista
G

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. ;-)

These is a huge difference between blindly bashing Vista and pointing
on shortcomings and flat out Microsoft failings. People that blindly
support Vista without really knowing why fall into the same camp that
scream it is lousy without really giving it a chance, they're just on
oppisite extremes of the scale.

One of the most glaring mistakes in the first retail version is how
poorly UAC has been implemented. For sure the butt kissers and fake
"experts" that infest newsgroups like this will whine people don't
know how to use it or some other brainless moaning, yet the fact
remains even Microsoft admits this "feature" needs work, lots of it,
and they better tend to it quick.

Another major blunder is the Vista Upgrade Advisor. It does not
accurately reflect what may happen and lulls people into a false sense
of security their system is ready for Vista saying some drivers while
it may not understand them should not present any problems only to see
they indeed do present serious problems often resulting in the dreaded
BSOD once you start the install process.

Another mistake, I view as just stupid Microsoft marketing to fatten
the bottom line is setting up a class system with so many versions of
Vista. This has upset many people upgrading from XP Pro. You find out
one of Vista's better new features; Media Center isn't included in the
suggested business version which is the recommended upgrade path for
XP Pro users. If you follow this upgrade path you find out some
multimedia features have been stipped from the business version, so if
you want those, then give Microsoft even more money for the Ultimate
edition.

Such boneheaded decisions are simply greed on Microsoft's part. Also
restricting the Home Premium version so you can't do a install in
place and forcing a clean install or a upgrade to a more expensive
business or ultimate version, greed again raises its ugly head and is
a monument to Microsoft arrogance and the ever present lack of respect
for their customers and more forced do it our way, not your way.

Speaking of forcing things, Microsoft forces UAC on home users yet has
the stupidty to make it more difficult to edit the highly annoying nag
controls which can be more easily done in the business and ultimate
versions. So the very class of people that probably need the most help
with UAC don't get it.

The biggest annoyance is again, as always, we have another new version
of Windows that clearly has not been thoughly tested in the real world
by really seasoned users. Rather, Microsoft repeats the time honored
mistake of swelling its ranks of beta testers with too many amateurish
inexperienced users and then has the arrogance to admit it let 500
known bugs remain in the released version of Vista and who knows yet
how many yet undiscovered ones that like before in all earlier
versions of Windows Microsoft expects it's customers to find for them
on their time. Of course such comments always results in a army of
Microsoft apologists making the same tired excuses... for twenty plus
years and counting. Oh, its a new version, give it time, oh that must
be a driver issue, oh this happens with all software, and of course my
favorite, if you don't like it, use something else.

That doesn't mean Vista doesn't have soom good points. It does. I've
mentioned some in other threads. The point is it has plenty of warts
too and to gloss over them or make excuses for Microsoft only leads to
them concluding pretty good is good enough. If consumers don't demand
a less bug infested version of Windows on the initial release, then
Microsoft will just go right on givings us buggy version concluding
good enough, is good enough. Sorry, I expect better from the world's
largest software company. Windows isn't free, it isn't shareware
either. Why should consumers have to go through this same tired
routine every time there is a new version of Windows? Why can't
Microsoft get its act together and actually release a product that
turly is ready for general release instead of hoping their chorus of
apologists sing another verse of wait till the first SP1 before it's
fixed? Just wondering if I'm the only one that feels this way. I'm
tired of being a unpaid volunteer and paying $200 for the privilage of
finding Microsoft's mistakes.

 

[kirk jim]

again with the "vista is faster" delusion....

the only way to get vista to go faster is to throw it out the window..
then it will accelerate at g, minus air resistance...

 

[Guest]

I certainly respect everyone's opinion, let me say that. However what my
point was this: how is it constructive to "bash" Vista with the tone that so
many are using? Many of the posts in this newsgroup, with all due respect,
are simply from those who do not understand Vista or the any windows OS, and
simply are not bugs. To say that those who like or enjoy Vista are in effect
"...blindly support[ing] vista..." is not the case. I have extensive Windows
OS and programming experience and am entitled to review and state an opinion
that should not be considered "...blind..." In fact any user of Vista
whether experienced or not has that right. I think that my point is, lets be
constructive, lets help eachother, the bashing of Vista or any MS product is
not constructive. Frankly it disappoints me to read posts that do so. Saying
you are disappointed versus bashing, are two very different ways of
presenting your feelings and attitude. One point I would like to make is
this: I can understand why MS released DX10 with Vista and not XP. I am sure
that it would be twice the work to release an XP version, because DX10 would
obviously have to be rewritten for that OS. Why do so when Vista is the new
OS? I am an avid gamer and of course I have DX9 games for XP that are not
working correctly with Vista, but I accept that, nothing is perfect. I do
appreciate all the people who are helping others and who have helped me. We
as a community can do a lot to help make Vista better for all. I have a real
hard time though reading posts which bash a product because of frustration,
instead of focusing on fixing the issues.
G

 

[philo]

again with the "vista is faster" delusion....

the only way to get vista to go faster is to throw it out the window..
then it will accelerate at g, minus air resistance...

<snip>

the same speed as a win95 cd being thrown out the window <G>

 

[Guest]

Just thought someone should say something good for a change especially
cause I think it is a great product, and have had almost no problems with
it.
G

 

[Richard Urban]

I find it hard to give credence to a persons comments, being critical of
Vista, when they are posting using Windows XP.

But maybe that is just me.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban MVP
Microsoft Windows Shell/User

 

[Dale M. White]

I can understand why MS released DX10 with Vista and not XP. I am sure

that it would be twice the work to release an XP version, because DX10
would obviously have to be rewritten for that OS. Why do so when Vista is
the new OS? I am an avid gamer and of course I have DX9 games for XP that
are not working correctly with Vista, but I accept that, nothing is
perfect.

I try to understand that XP is old and Vista is new. What gets my goat and
I'm sure many many gamers is that I'm pretty much being forced to upgrade
from a OS that works just fine and does everything I need\want, but because
they make their money off us buying new OSes, they have no motivation to
offer DX10 to XP users.Instead they are assuring their bottom line, by
forcing an upgrade, If I want to play the cool new games. I'm not
dillusional, I realize that the Hardcore gamers are a minority group in the
big picture, So even if we boycotted it wouldn't make much of a dent in
sales. Which is where the bitterness comes in, I'm being dragged along and
I'm expected to like it. Its just like when I had to switch over to Crack
lite, because they stop selling regular crack in our neighborhood.

 

[philo]

I find it hard to give credence to a persons comments, being critical of
Vista, when they are posting using Windows XP.

But maybe that is just me.

There is no logic to your thoughts...
I run *numerous* operating systems here (22 at last count):

You name it : OS/2 , BSD, several versions of Linux.
Win98, Win2k, XP, Vista etc, etc, etc.
Should I boot over to Linux when posting on a Linux group???

BTW: My post was **not** made from either an XP or a Vista machine...
The machine I'm currently using runs Win2k and oddly enough it will even
post to MS-dos newsgroups...
how about that ?

 

[kirk jim]

the win95 cd case was more aerodynamic.... even the dvd case of vista is
bloated... lol

 

[Adam Albright]

Just thought someone should say something good for a change especially
cause I think it is a great product, and have had almost no problems with
it.
G

Which is fine. However don't you think people that HAVE PROBLEMS, and
they are many, have a right to air their grievances? Trust me,
somebody at Microsoft scans groups like these and takes note. If
newsgroups like this turn into nothing but a bunch of yelping
cheerleaders waving pom poms, then Microsoft assumes it is doing a
wonderful job and won't even attempt to improve what needs improving
or fix what's broken. I don't see how that helps anybody. I'm not a
big fan of mindless cheering because a product works. Isn't it suppose
to work? I get a kick out of people that seem to be cheering because
oh my, look this feature works. <giggle>

 

[Richard Urban]

Dale,

You may have to upgrade eventually but you don't have to upgrade now. No one
is forcing anyone to buy Vista - even if you buy a new computer. If the
manufacturer doesn't offer an alternative get one from a manufacturer who
does.

I have four boxes in the family I haven't upgraded yet and have no plans to
do so anytime soon.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban MVP
Microsoft Windows Shell/User

 

[philo]

the win95 cd case was more aerodynamic.... even the dvd case of vista is
bloated... lol

ROTFLMAO !

 

[Dale M. White]

You may have to upgrade eventually but you don't have to upgrade now. No
one
is forcing anyone to buy Vista - even if you buy a new computer. If the
manufacturer doesn't offer an alternative get one from a manufacturer who
does.

I have four boxes in the family I haven't upgraded yet and have no plans
to do so anytime soon.

I have to upgrade if I want to play games like Crysis in all of it DX10
glory. Though for the forseeable future, I'll probably just continue to
multiboot, just like I did with all the other OSes migrations.

 

[Guest]

Well, Obviously to some degree whether you like Vista or not, is going to be
a matter of personal taste and how you prefer your OS to behave. Bugs aside,
there is just a slew of thing I simply don't like about Vista. I don't like
Aero at all. I'm not overly into pretty eye candy and after seeing the MAC
and then seeing Vista, it's pretty obvious where the shell inspiration come
from.

I've always hated that windows explorer starts up in My documents, as I
never do anything in My documents. Vista is even worse. I hate the way the
new explorer does have the slide bar at the bottom, which when I'm moving
files from folder to folder i have to wait for it to auto slide back to the
root for me, and normally it jerks in a way that I miss the folder I want.

I don't like Superfetch, it seems to load all the wrong stuff, Why can't I
pick what I want it to pre-load. If I play the game FEAR 5 times, then it
will spend 5 mins on boot, pre-loading that game, even if I don't plan to
play it again.

How do you know what Superftech is preloading?

I like Vista but it's so buggy it's almost unusable for me.
My latest failure was get this:

"OS FAILURE"

Yes that's right the entire OS failed. Likely it was able to log that first
LOL

 

[Guest]

I find it hard to give credence to a persons comments, being critical of
Vista, when they are posting using Windows XP.

But maybe that is just me.

Maybe they have to post from XP because their Vista is bugged or maybe they
have more than one PC or OS. I'm posting from XP but this isn't my PC.

so I guess it's just you you silly MVP