Heres a thought

G

Guest

Seems many people are having trouble with Vista. I was just wondering how
many upgraded from XP? I heard from some friends of mine that upgrading from
XP to Vista was not the best alternative, as it was prone to errors and
problems after Vista was installed. I went the route of buying the
'non-upgrade', full, Vista OS. I did a clean install of Vista after a hard
drive reformat. I have Vista installed on two pc's and have had almost no
issues. I would curious to know how many users who upgraded from XP to Vista
versus those who did a clean and full install of Vista.
G
 
D

Dave B.

This has been true of all MS operating systems, Vista is no different, a
clean install is less prone to problems.

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L

LaRoux

I've done both. With the Upgrade, I made sure to address everything outlined
in the Upgrade Advisor and had no problems.
 
G

Guest

Most of the "upgrades" that I've seen suffer from problems - this is
generally due to a program/setting being imported that's not compatible with
Vista and it's rules.

FWIW, I agree that one should "clean install" an OS to prevent problems
being carried over from the old OS.

- John
 
G

Guest

I installed it as Dual Boot with XP. Have really no problems at all except
Vista does a scandisk at boot if I boot to it after useing XP. Nothing
critical. It only does it after XP use.
Both OSs work/function as they should.
But I built this PC with Vista in mind. So I made sure that all parts I
purchsed was Vista compatable as much as I could.
 
G

Guest

I went the "clean install" route with an upgrade disk:
(Clean install was not trouble free.)

Suffered hardware issues related to IDE/SATA drive combination. Initial
solutions required disconnecting all but installation drive. {Final
resolution: BIOS update}

Identified by Advisor as potential issues: (That became issues.)
Suffered BSODs due to lack of compatible Nvidia driver during initial
install. Once Vista installed, was able to update driver, then "upgrade"
install worked fine. (No more BSODs, now I just get Critical Error Events.)
RealTek '97 drivers had to be found and installed manually to get sound
to work.

Software issues:
Nero just wouldn't work. (That's okay, I didn't really like it anyway.)
Partition Magic 8 should not be used, it causes problems. (Now use
Acronis, BUT until I converted my second drive to all primary partitions,
changes made via Acronis would not take on the Logical drives.)
Flash Player just would not install properly. (Overcame by reperforming
the Vista "upgrade" again. This corrected the "special" permissions set in
the .OCX file during installation to default. It could probably be done
easier now that I've seen a few other things.)

Vista issues:
Renamed home network to WORKGROUP vice MSHOME which resulted in no
communication between computers. (Had to find it to correct it, minor, but
inconvenient.)
Defrag is too dumbed down. (No options.) Now use third-party stuff...
works great.

The rest is just learning a new OS.
 
N

Nina DiBoy

Seems many people are having trouble with Vista. I was just wondering
how many upgraded from XP? I heard from some friends of mine that
upgrading from XP to Vista was not the best alternative, as it was prone
to errors and problems after Vista was installed. I went the route of
buying the 'non-upgrade', full, Vista OS. I did a clean install of Vista
after a hard drive reformat. I have Vista installed on two pc's and have
had almost no issues. I would curious to know how many users who
upgraded from XP to Vista versus those who did a clean and full install
of Vista.
G

Vista is bad enough. Upgrading just seems to increase the problems 10 fold.

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"DRM is not added to anything in Vista."

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot
 
A

Adam Albright

Vista is bad enough. Upgrading just seems to increase the problems 10 fold.

Only to people that don't know what they're doing. <snicker>

If you are starting with a new box and you only have to reinstall a
handful of application, maybe then doing a clean install makes sense.
If you're like me and have hundreds of applications, over a million
files and in excess of 1 TB used up and another 1 TB of backup to do a
clean install would be absurd and a huge waste of my time. Of course
before attempting any install in place you make damn sure you have
working backups of everything first. Since that is rotinue for me and
the real serious user crowd as well, not some of the kiddies that hang
out here, not a problem. ;-)

More so now then even since Vista will image your old settings and
installed software files and simply reinstall them for you if you tell
it to do a upgrade rather then do a clean install. So that begs the
question why do it by hand when you're using a computer that can do
such muldane tasks better and faster and likely more accurately
without human intervention? I got better things to do than fiddle with
reinstalling way over a hundred different applications, many requiring
reactivation online, hunting for serial numbers, activation keys,
original install CD's and the whole nine yards of pain in the ass BS
just to do a clean install. But I probably got way more software
install then most people and some is even harder to activate then
Windows is. Another reason I HATE doing a clean install. ;-)

Of course there are cautions. It would be foolhardy to do a install in
place if you are currently having problems with XP or some of your
appliations or hardware is outdated. Then such problems will just get
transfered over. The old axiom of adding a quart of fresh oil to your
car's 4 quarts of dirty oil only results in 5 quarts of dirty oil when
you're finished. However adding fresh oil, to a smooth running engine
that already has 4 quarts of clean oil is fine.

What happens when you do an install in place is Windows will likely
write some entires to the new Registry that aren't needed or are
simply wrong, maybe duplicated. These are commonly known as 'orphans'
and point to nowhere valid, thus they do no real harm and can be easly
found and removed with any Registry Cleaner. Of course there are
exceptions to every rule, but the often heard "you're always better to
do a clean install" is born more out of fear and ignorance more often
coming from newbies and the faker crowd that infest newsgroups like
this, meaning such people just don't know any better and base what
they do on what others before have done which is often only based on
wild rumor and unfound speculation. If it was 'bad' to do a upgrade,
then Microsoft wouldn't allow it in the first place and force you to
do a clean install. They do not. Except for trying to go from XP Pro
to Home Premium, but that's just a marketing ploy to get you to buy a
more expensive version of Vista.
 
L

LaRoux

Amen - glad to hear another voice of reason on this subject. Sometimes I
feel like I'm beating my head against the wall trying to help dispel this
urban myth. My opinion is if you run the Upgrade Advisor and address the
known issues upfront, your likelihood of having an "upgrade" problem is
probably in the < 5% range. Most of the problems people experience with
either hardware or software incompatibilities are going to happen regardless
of if a clean install or upgrade is performed.

I hate to think but this may be leftover from 98 to XP upgrades gone awry.
 
H

Harry Krause

Seems many people are having trouble with Vista. I was just wondering
how many upgraded from XP? I heard from some friends of mine that
upgrading from XP to Vista was not the best alternative, as it was prone
to errors and problems after Vista was installed. I went the route of
buying the 'non-upgrade', full, Vista OS. I did a clean install of Vista
after a hard drive reformat. I have Vista installed on two pc's and have
had almost no issues. I would curious to know how many users who
upgraded from XP to Vista versus those who did a clean and full install
of Vista.
G


It's always a bad idea to "upgrade" install. What MS needs to do is
'fess up that going the "upgrade route" is problematic and not
recommended, and that a "fresh install" is always better. And then it
needs to come up with a way for those with legit copies of a previous
edition to buy the new version in a fresh install package at a steeply
discounted price.
 
M

Mark

They did!

You can buy the "academic" version for $68. (It's Home Premium Upgrade.)
[I'm a full time teacher.]
You can perform a clean install or upgrade with the disk (as with any
disk.)

If you are really impressed and want more, you can then upgrade to
Ultimate with the same disk.
(You have to buy the license.)
 
L

LaRoux

Just as a data point, how many upgrade installations have you done and what
problems did you encounter?
 
S

Shane Nokes

Nina I would like to kindly ask that you remove any quotes from me from your
page and signaure.

You did not ask, nor did you receive my permission. In fact calling a
factual statement idiotic is very close to libel and I will not tolerate it.
 
S

Shane Nokes

Have you even tried a clean install yet? ;)

Mark said:
They did!

You can buy the "academic" version for $68. (It's Home Premium Upgrade.)
[I'm a full time teacher.]
You can perform a clean install or upgrade with the disk (as with any
disk.)

If you are really impressed and want more, you can then upgrade to
Ultimate with the same disk.
(You have to buy the license.)


Harry Krause said:
It's always a bad idea to "upgrade" install. What MS needs to do is 'fess
up that going the "upgrade route" is problematic and not recommended, and
that a "fresh install" is always better. And then it needs to come up
with a way for those with legit copies of a previous edition to buy the
new version in a fresh install package at a steeply discounted price.
 
N

Nina DiBoy

Shane said:
Nina I would like to kindly ask that you remove any quotes from me from
your page and signaure.

No problem. It's done already.
You did not ask, nor did you receive my permission.

And I shouldn't need to. I am quoting posts made to usenet, which is a
public domain.
In fact calling a
factual statement idiotic is very close to libel and I will not tolerate
it.

You may call it a factual statement, even though it is entirely untrue.
Microsoft's own definition of DRM is:

http://www.microsoft.com/security/glossary.mspx#digital_rights_management

"Any technology used to protect the interests of owners of content and
services (such as copyright owners). Typically, authorized recipients or
users must acquire a license in order to consume the protected
material—files, music, movies—according to the rights or business rules
set by the content owner."

So, explain to me how there is absolutely no "technology used to protect
the interests of owners of content and services..." in Vista.

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"You can get dog shi* for free also!"

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot
 
N

norm

Shane said:
Nina I would like to kindly ask that you remove any quotes from me from
your page and signaure.

You did not ask, nor did you receive my permission. In fact calling a
factual statement idiotic is very close to libel and I will not tolerate
it.
I would like to quote a statement you made to me in answer to one of my
questions in this ng:
"I was making an analogy but obviously english is not your native
language or, if it is, you have a sorry command of it's usage."
Your statement held me up to ridicule just as surely as you feel the
quote on the web site is doing to you. So a personal attack on what you
presume to be my level of education and understanding is ok, but a
simple quote of what you consider to be a fact is not ok? This ng is no
less available to the public than is the web site you refer to. Life is
tough. Grow a thicker skin.
 
M

Mark

Yep, worked just fine.

Shane Nokes said:
Have you even tried a clean install yet? ;)

Mark said:
They did!

You can buy the "academic" version for $68. (It's Home Premium
Upgrade.)
[I'm a full time teacher.]
You can perform a clean install or upgrade with the disk (as with any
disk.)

If you are really impressed and want more, you can then upgrade to
Ultimate with the same disk.
(You have to buy the license.)


Harry Krause said:
(e-mail address removed) wrote:
Seems many people are having trouble with Vista. I was just wondering
how many upgraded from XP? I heard from some friends of mine that
upgrading from XP to Vista was not the best alternative, as it was
prone to errors and problems after Vista was installed. I went the
route of buying the 'non-upgrade', full, Vista OS. I did a clean
install of Vista after a hard drive reformat. I have Vista installed on
two pc's and have had almost no issues. I would curious to know how
many users who upgraded from XP to Vista versus those who did a clean
and full install of Vista.
G


It's always a bad idea to "upgrade" install. What MS needs to do is
'fess up that going the "upgrade route" is problematic and not
recommended, and that a "fresh install" is always better. And then it
needs to come up with a way for those with legit copies of a previous
edition to buy the new version in a fresh install package at a steeply
discounted price.
 
A

Adam Albright

Just as a data point, how many upgrade installations have you done and what
problems did you encounter?

Just off the top of my head I'm estimating I've done a install in
place scores of times over the years with every version of Windows and
as yet haven't had a single problem. Once the power went out in the
middle and even that didn't hurt a thing. Power came back up. I
rebooted and Windows just picked up where it left off.

Of course I'm in the camp that rarely reinstalls Windows for any
reason. I see so many people saying they did a fresh install or
repeated the install multiple times and sorry, I just shake my head in
disbelief.
 
R

Ronnie Vernon MVP

This is a debate that has been going on for many, many years. There are pros
and cons on both sides of the debate.

This issue is more important with Vista since there were many changes to the
core of the OS that affects many legacy software programs.
 
M

MattersNot

Yup, me too. I couldn't agree more. I did the upgrade and
only problem encountered was the Realtek sound river which
was readily rectified after Vista was running. The key, as
Adam said, is "make sure you've got a clean running XP to
upgrade from.
 

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