Why My Shop No Longer Sells Linux Systems.

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There's no question that the sheer number of available apps is what makes
Windows the mainstream OS. Developers want to develop for that audience
because it's so large. And most developers like the development tools that
MS provides. So it just keeps chugging along like that.



Many users do "defect" to other OS's. But almost as many come back, strictly
because of the sheer number of available apps. Especially that audience the
OP refers to.



Obviously it's a different story if you're talking about a larger biz or
something like Google where you can afford to have a zillion tech heads on
staff managing an enormous Linux cluster.
 
And you wonder why people in this newsgroup get irritated with Linux
advocates like you?
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Yes, after reading the original post, and noticing you didn't have
anything to say about the complete lack of factual information, with
an argument boiling down to a logical fallacy, I do wonder why you
decide to respond to me instead of the obviously trolling original
poster. Perhaps you are just a hypocrite. The evidence is certainly
pointing in that direction.
Your arrogance and apparent need to be abrasive does the Linux community
no good. Go troll somewhere else!
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This is excellent advice for the original poster, but not quite on
point as a reply to my post. I expected more from the God of Thunder,
but you have let me down again. If you want to be a mighty troll
slayer, turn your wrath on the original poster.
I don't see this attitude from Windows users in Ubuntu, Fedora, or
linuxformus.org
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The post I responded to was (cross-) posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,
a fact you would have known if you had done even rudimentary research
on the subject you so popmously expound upon. Even a quick look around
(like the original post) will show you your statment is clearly and
obviously false. Go away and make a fool of yourself somewhere else,
"Thor".

Dean G.
 
Why should he have to tell you anything?
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He chose to. He was the one who started the topic, remember ?
Generally speaking, people who don't wan't a discussion shouldn't post
to a discussion board.
Either you accept what he says or provide a reasonable counter
argument to his claims.
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Ok, his entire argument boils down to an argumentum ad populum. He
provides no evidence of what he says, and he fails to identify any
problems with Linux. A completely rational response would be to say
"bollocks".

But I'll go beyond that. Here is Mr. Little Business, telling Dell (a
competitor that has proven to be far more sucessful that he is) how to
save money. Dell doesn't need his advice. People who read
comp.os.linux.advocacy don't need his (lack of any real) advice.

He should have posted this to alt.lemming.are.us, not
comp.os.linux.advocacy.

Dean G.
 
Dean said:
Yes, after reading the original post, and noticing you didn't have
anything to say about the complete lack of factual information, with
an argument boiling down to a logical fallacy, I do wonder why you
decide to respond to me instead of the obviously trolling original
poster. Perhaps you are just a hypocrite. The evidence is certainly
pointing in that direction.


This is excellent advice for the original poster, but not quite on
point as a reply to my post. I expected more from the God of Thunder,
but you have let me down again. If you want to be a mighty troll
slayer, turn your wrath on the original poster.



The post I responded to was (cross-) posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,
a fact you would have known if you had done even rudimentary research
on the subject you so popmously expound upon. Even a quick look around
(like the original post) will show you your statment is clearly and
obviously false. Go away and make a fool of yourself somewhere else,
"Thor".

Dean G.
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Your replies indicate we disagree. :-)
 
You know, I have had Vista and since I installed it about 2 months ago, I
have not had a single crash, re-boot or any other problem. The only problem
I have is 3rd party drivers not up to snuff. This is a good OS, I like it
better then XPpro on my other system. I take care of my systems, the only
crashes I get are when I do something dumb. My fault not OS.
Linux is good, I have used it, however, since no-one in the general market,
gaming, media etc does not support it, it's just a 3rd rate os that does
very good things. Now, if Linux could convince the entire computer industry
that users NEED it, they would use it. Just as MS and Apple convince
everyone that they need their OS's.
 
Kerry said:
You know, I have had Vista and since I installed it about 2 months ago, I
have not had a single crash, re-boot or any other problem. The only
problem I have is 3rd party drivers not up to snuff. This is a good OS, I
like it better then XPpro on my other system. I take care of my systems,
the only crashes I get are when I do something dumb. My fault not OS.
Linux is good, I have used it, however, since no-one in the general
market, gaming, media etc does not support it, it's just a 3rd rate os
that does very good things. Now, if Linux could convince the entire
computer industry that users NEED it, they would use it. Just as MS and
Apple convince everyone that they need their OS's.
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Apple isn't doing a particularly good job of convincing anyone. I suspect
that you haven't looked at how well sales are going.

Linux doesn't have to convince anyone of anything. They can choose to look
this way or not. Linux isn't going away, we'll wait for them to come to us
and they will.

True, more are likely to come if they heard Linux mentioned on TV, but that
is coming by the looks of it, with various PC vendors saying they are going
to ship Linux loaded PCs. Will be interesting to she what comes of that.

IT folk are nervous of Vista, imagine splashing it around the offices only
to find your key software is one of the many pieces of software that don't
work on it, spread it around the CAD office and your £2000 cad doesn't load
onto it, your £3000 plotter hasn't got a working driver for Vista, your
data links don't work but it might work if you go for another version of
Vista, it's down to you, risk the extra money, might work might not. Your
VPNs stop working. The list goes on.

I don't know what you get up to on your working no trouble Vista, but it
can't be much because there isn't much on the list that actually works.

Imagine a major company update only to find you are worse off in almost
every area. That is what Vista gives you.

But Linux does not give you those troubles, that is what people new to Linux
are finding, it is why big companies with many PCs and terminals are now
seriously looking in our direction.

Newbie: Does it come with anti-virus?
Me: Yes, by the fact that it is to all intents and purposes immune, so long
as you don't do anything stupid with the user rights.

Newbie: Does it come with a third party security suite like Symantec?
Me: No, it is an OS, it is the job of the OS to provide security at that
level.

Newbie: Will my VPN work.
Me: Naturally. I mean, very naturally, they is no better platform for secure
tunnels and VPNs than Linux. Whether that is net to net or net to single
roving user. It fits in as a natural function of it's communications
capabilities. You are even hard pushed to describe it as an addon, it would
be like calling your left ear an addon.

Newbie: Will it be hard for my users to learn.
Me: Yes and No. Users get into traps, probably not deliberately, they
gradually narrow their job functions to a minimum set of steps. Tiny
patterns of daily weekly and monthly tasks that can be done with minimum
thought. With Linux they will first get a jolt, they have to think about
their job functions again at least until they can create a new pattern.
That is good for them and good for the company because all of a sudden the
work force has woken up again. (A good time to discuss work/job functions
and see if any are merely historical with no real purpose, or maybe over
time one key worker has taken on the majority of important tasks, whilst
others have idle time). But the primary applications, Office and Email,
they will pick up very easily. More thought involved with file locations,
but not difficult to learn.

Newbie: What about my IT dept, he only did a 6 week MS server course, how
will he cope with Linux.
Me: Erm, well, erm. Look if he hasn't gone to the trouble of learning other
systems then he isn't really very interested anyway, just after the easy
life. Bet your socks its a case of 'If it doesn't work buy replacements
until you do get one that works'. But still, I'm not one to kick people on
the streets. Instead put pins on their chair, make them uncomfortable in
the coffee room and maybe they will leave of their own accord. You can't
let the IT dept hold the company back, there are a lot of good UNIX/Linux
folk out there, give them a chance to show you what you've been missing out
on all this time, ok so by default they will cost you more than someone who
has done a 6 weeks course. But you get so much more for your money.
 
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