Jeffrey said:I don't see how MS has an "eat it" policy in regards to browsers,
newsreaders, office suites, etc... You have always been able to load any
one you want. If you want to run Corel instead of MS Office, go for it.
If you want to run Mozilla instead of Internet Explorer then go for it.
Jeff
I think the 'fools' you are referring to are various Wintrolls, MSIf MS sticks with their "eat it" policy and drives people to alternative
browsers, newsreaders and office suites, then there would be hope for
Linux *if* that community were less unwilling to tolerate fools. How could
they get to be warm, friendly and outgoing instead of cold uber-geeks?
At least the rep - that would be a miracle. So I seem to agree with you.
I have managed to sell several Linux equipped machines to clients I
have never heard from again so it can be done, but the complaints from
other clients who purchased Linux machines far outweigh the positive
experiences.
Certainly. I am all ears how you explain getting MS updates using Firefox.
Or Mozilla. Or any other browser, except IE
If you wintendo lusers try to have a point, please: Have at least a very
tiny one. Not these examples of total, utter incompetence
thor said:And you wonder why people in this newsgroup get irritated with Linux
advocates like you?
Your arrogance and apparent need to be abrasive does the Linux community
no good. Go troll somewhere else!
I don't see this attitude from Windows users in Ubuntu, Fedora, or
linuxformus.org
Rudolph said:Easy...
http://windowsupdate.62nds.com/
About WindizUpdate
This free website allows users of Mozilla Firefox 0.9.3, Netscape 4.0,
Mozilla Firebird 0.7, Opera 5, or K-Meleon 0.9 to keep their copy of
Windows up-to-date. Newer releases of these browsers are also suitable.
Or, just allow auto-update to do its thing.
And you wonder why people in this newsgroup get irritated with Linux
advocates like you?
Your arrogance and apparent need to be abrasive does the Linux community
no good. Go troll somewhere else!
I don't see this attitude from Windows users in Ubuntu, Fedora, or
linuxformus.org
Michael Jennings said:Welcoming top posting clueless unteachable idiots and assisting,
So, just again: Tell me how to update windows without IE. And *this* time
without the usual completely retarded answers anyone expects from a windows
user
Why don't you tell us what you "shop" is ? Or is it a complete
fabrication of a sorry little mind ? I see you mention that it is
still small, and it seems bound to stay that way with your attitude
(assuming it exists at all)
Dean G.
I agree. Selling Linux preinstalled on a machine to consumers is just plain
foolish. If the user is not capable of downloading an ISO, burning it, and
installing the OS himself, then he is going to be far happier with Windows
than with Linux. Otherwise you're going to sell them Linux and you're just
going to deal with support calls from a bunch of end-users trying to get
Windows software to work under Linux.
I am a staunch supporter of Linux, but people need to understand what it is
they are doing and why they are doing it. Someone has convinced people that
they can 'stick it to the man' by using Linux instead of Windows. That is not
a valid reason for choosing an operating system. You want the operating
system that best fits your needs, the type of work that you do, is compatible
with the software you use, and fits *your* abilities and skill level.
That being said, I think there is a good reason to sell PCs with no OS
installed for those people who want to install an alternative OS (i.e. Linux)
and don't want to pay Microsoft for an undesired windows license. Nobody
should have to pay Microsoft for an OS they don't intend to use.
I swore that I would NEVER
install Linux on a machine that was going to be used by a non
technical person.
Personally I think there is big
business in this -- building a box that boots off the CD-ROM and uses the
(optional) hard drive as nothing more than cache and swap file.
How about offering Linux PCs, at the same up front price as Windows PCs,
but the customer has the option of any time in the next, say, 60 days,
coming back and saying either:
"I like Linux, I want to keep it!", in which case you then give them
back the price you pay for a Windows license.
or
"I don't want Linux. I want Windows", in which case you give them
the Windows install discs and license (maybe you even let them bring
the PC in, and install Windows, after backing up their home
directory on Linux to a CD-R, and then put OpenOffice for Windows on
the system, so they can read any OpenOffice documents they made
during their Linux trial).
If they don't come back in the 60 days, they default to the first
option, and you mail them the cost of a Windows license.
With this arrangement, they might feel more inclined to overcome any
initial problems they might have to make Linux work for them, because
they will see sticking with Linux as something that gets them money
back, as opposed to the normal way when someone tries a Linux PC, where
they see any Linux problems as something they have to pay more to get
rid of.
Peter Köhlmann said:Certainly. I am all ears how you explain getting MS updates using Firefox.
Or Mozilla. Or any other browser, except IE
If you wintendo lusers try to have a point, please: Have at least a very
tiny one. Not these examples of total, utter incompetence
Why should he have to tell you anything?
Either you accept what he says or provide a reasonable counter
argument to his claims.
You seem to be unable to do either.
Only a complete idiot would give out that sort of information over the
Internet
If these incidents are documented, you'll have no problem posting them,and especially
in a Linux group where there have been documented incidents of
unstable Linux zealots tracking down anti-Linux posters.