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[kurttrail]

You're the one that took it off track, as it was about WGA/N and how
most of it is just plan FUD and hype.

ROFL! Lying to hide that it was you that stopped talking about the
topic by diverting the subject to me.

How typical of you!

As much as you demonstrate that you have nothing constructive to add
to the thread.

Since you took it off-topic being hung up on me, I'd say that you are
just indicting yourself.

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[Leythos]

ROFL! Lying to hide that it was you that stopped talking about the
topic by diverting the subject to me.

How typical of you!


Since you took it off-topic being hung up on me, I'd say that you are
just indicting yourself.

Talking about WGA/WGAN and talking about how little impact it's had on
people and how most of what we hear is FUD/Hype, well, you're the master
of Hype and FUD, so it's normal to bring up the fact that you've
contributed nothing except FUD/Hype to the WGA/WGAN discussion when
talking about all the BS that's being spread about WGA by people not
understanding the difference between WGA/WGAN. Like it or not, when it
comes to stating that most of the comments against WGA/WGAN in this
group are by you and alias and are not constructive and just FUD/Hype.

Maybe if you had something constructive, notice that I didn't say
supportive, about WGA/WGAN, you would not get stuck in the area of just
another lamer posting hate/hype/fud about something they know so little
about.

 

[Charlie Tame]

LOL! What the hell are you talking about. We arre talking about paying
customers getting screw by MS and its malware.

The comparison is valid, Linux is a free alternative that people can get,
there is no source of free gas and the cartels are screwing people either
directly or indirectly since every product you buy inclusing your food is
transported one way or another by oil. You just quietly accpet this monopoly
yet focus on Microsoft which does not truly have a monopoly. I cannot think
of a single Microsoft product for which no alternative is available, albeit
some alternatives cost more.

Many ways. I've stated them many times before, so go google.

You have no answer, right?

Anyway, you have proved enough times that you are far too ignorant to
justify any kind of sensible discussion, and far be it from to try and
dissuade you from further demonstrations of it, you just carry on with your
head wherever you find it most convenient to put it so you can't see the
real world

 

[kurttrail]

The comparison is valid, Linux is a free alternative that people can
get, there is no source of free gas and the cartels are screwing
people either directly or indirectly since every product you buy
inclusing your food is transported one way or another by oil.

LOL! So?

You
just quietly accpet this monopoly

First of all, it isn't a monopoly. Second, you are comparing oil to
copyrighted material. And that is NOT a valid comparison. Third, I
hardly have quietly accepted Big Oil costs to me personally or to
society as a whole.

yet focus on Microsoft which does
not truly have a monopoly.

This is a group about Microsoft, not oil. Aren't you bright enough to
understand that?

I cannot think of a single Microsoft
product for which no alternative is available, albeit some
alternatives cost more.

LOL! Goody for you. Of course you ignore the years people have
invested in education, and software & hardware that only run with
Windows. And MS used their monopoly so that PC sellers only sold PCs
with Windows.

You ignore the courts across the globe that have found that MS has used
their desktop monopoly illegally.

You have no answer, right?

Like I said, I've answered the question many times. So go google.

Anyway, you have proved enough times that you are far too ignorant to
justify any kind of sensible discussion, and far be it from to try and
dissuade you from further demonstrations of it, you just carry on
with your head wherever you find it most convenient to put it so you
can't see the real world

ROFL! What discussion? Your analogy is totally flawed and I have shown
how. There is no need for further discussion about your totally
discredited analogy.

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[kurttrail]

Talking about WGA/WGAN and talking about how little impact it's had on
people and how most of what we hear is FUD/Hype, well, you're the
master of Hype and FUD, so it's normal to bring up the fact that
you've contributed nothing except FUD/Hype to the WGA/WGAN discussion
when talking about all the BS that's being spread about WGA by people
not understanding the difference between WGA/WGAN.

LOL! All you can say is that there is little impact on people. That is
nothing but peo-WGA/N hype.

You are willing to admit that there are one or two people a month that
report here that WGA/N wrong singled them out as pirating Windows. And
even you should know how few actual Windows users even know about this
group.

Those one or two a month that report here actually extrapulate out to
hundreds or more likely thousands of users around the world being
wrongly singled out by WGA/N each month!

That too many people being screwed by the like of MS and its WGA/N
technologies in my book! We all know YOU don't give a sh*t, as you are
a Microsoft Partner. You probably make money off the misery WGA/N
causes other human beings!

Like it or not,
when it comes to stating that most of the comments against WGA/WGAN
in this group are by you and alias and are not constructive and just
FUD/Hype.

LOL! No, it is the nudnicks like you that totally dismiss that real
people are being screwed by WGA/N that are constructive.

Maybe if you had something constructive, notice that I didn't say
supportive, about WGA/WGAN, you would not get stuck in the area of
just another lamer posting hate/hype/fud about something they know so
little about.

The most constructive advice I could give MS is to dump its
anti-consumer technologies. They don't add any value to their
stockholders, and only create more and more consumer dissatifaction
about Microsoft's copy-protection disabled products!

And now compare that to your answer that WGA/N has little impact. How
is that constructive to those that are having real problems with it?
Nothing constructive at all. Just the party line. MS can do no wrong,
customers (real people) are all potential pirates.

Of course, MS is the biggest pirate organization in the world, and that
has been proven in courts of law. The real FUD is that MS customers
(real people) are even potential pirates. That has no real demonstrable
proof at all. Just BS from idiots like you that have a vested interest
to spout the propaganda of the corporate copyright elite.

So just keep blowing your FUD out your ass. REAL PEOPLE are wising up
to the like of you schmucks that are nothing but sell-outs to the human
race.

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[Ground Cover]

The analogies tend to fail because software is a moving target. It's a
copyrighted work, then it's a product, then it is part of 3rd party
"HARDWARE", then it is copyrighted material, then it's a license, then
intellectual property, then its HARDWARE again, then it's source code, then
it's compiled SOFTWARE .. and so on.

So if it is part of the HARDWARE when installed OEM on an HP why does it
suddenly become licensed SOFTWARE when installed retail on my homebuilt ??
And so on and on ..

So every time there's a discussion, what Microsoft Windows "is", is never
established because, like a camellion, it never stays one thing. So we come
up with analogies but they are of little use because Microsoft PRODUCTS are
moving targets, so to speak, or shape shifters in any discussion of them.

 

[NoStop]

I never suggested that you were not alone, and you know as well as I do
that people file suits all the time without merit, if they think there
is a buck in it.

I read one of them, it was a flawed complaint in that it kept stating
WGA when it was talking about WGAN, which means the complaint is
worthless except to the money sucking lawyer.

You can run Office 2000 under Linux, I do, in fact I run office 2000, XP
and Office 2003 under Linux with Cross-Over.

You run XP with Cross-Over? Geez, you are a blinking idiot. You claim to be
such an expert on the subject and don't even know what you're running.
Figures.

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Is this a modern day equivalent of a Nazi youth rally?:

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[-Alias-]

I never suggested that you were not alone, and you know as well as I do
that people file suits all the time without merit, if they think there
is a buck in it.

Time will tell. Speaking of bucks, WGA probably cost MS more lost
business due to the terrible PR this has generated.

I read one of them, it was a flawed complaint in that it kept stating
WGA when it was talking about WGAN, which means the complaint is
worthless except to the money sucking lawyer.

You're not even a money sucking lawyer, much less a competent lawyer.

You can run Office 2000 under Linux, I do, in fact I run office 2000, XP
and Office 2003 under Linux with Cross-Over.

I don't want to run Linux. I want to run XP without useless software on
it. I am not alone in this as you have pointed out. I would even be
against a one time WGAN per installation or re-installs that uninstalls
itself after it's done it's job because of the potential for the
software to screw up and cause the user hours of headaches and the fact
that WPA supposedly does that.

Alias

 

[Charlie Tame]

LOL! So?


First of all, it isn't a monopoly. Second, you are comparing oil to
copyrighted material. And that is NOT a valid comparison. Third, I
hardly have quietly accepted Big Oil costs to me personally or to society
as a whole.


This is a group about Microsoft, not oil. Aren't you bright enough to
understand that?


LOL! Goody for you. Of course you ignore the years people have invested
in education, and software & hardware that only run with Windows. And MS
used their monopoly so that PC sellers only sold PCs with Windows.

You ignore the courts across the globe that have found that MS has used
their desktop monopoly illegally.


Like I said, I've answered the question many times. So go google.


ROFL! What discussion? Your analogy is totally flawed and I have shown
how. There is no need for further discussion about your totally
discredited analogy.

So you still can't answer then, what a pity.

 

[Charlie Tame]

The analogies tend to fail because software is a moving target. It's a
copyrighted work, then it's a product, then it is part of 3rd party
"HARDWARE", then it is copyrighted material, then it's a license, then
intellectual property, then its HARDWARE again, then it's source code,
then
it's compiled SOFTWARE .. and so on.

So if it is part of the HARDWARE when installed OEM on an HP why does it
suddenly become licensed SOFTWARE when installed retail on my homebuilt ??
And so on and on ..

So every time there's a discussion, what Microsoft Windows "is", is never
established because, like a camellion, it never stays one thing. So we
come
up with analogies but they are of little use because Microsoft PRODUCTS
are
moving targets, so to speak, or shape shifters in any discussion of them.

That is a valid point actually, but the problem is that I can (for example)
buy a gallon of gas and do what I like with it. Basically I pay for it I own
it, and if I sell it or give it to you that is my right as the owner.

Unfortunately the fact that many criticize MS Windows for is that it is not
"Owned" but "Licensed for use, and that license imposes limits on me as to
what I can do with it. What they fail to see is that Linux has a similar
license, it is NOT free software it is free to use but still subject to
license terms.

My analogy with gas is the fact that we are all being royally screwed now by
politicians and oil companies who despite their avoidance of monopoly laws
and conventions nevertheless operate as one giant monopoly that has actually
gained status as being above the law. The reason for this is that "The Boys"
are all on the same side, whereas MS does have some determined competition.
Competition is healthy, cartels are not.

The point I was trying to make earlier is that Microsoft's current position
makes them very "Persuasive" but not invincible as the oil companies now
are, hence the earlier question "Where do you get your free gas"?

You can still get a free operating system.

Charlie

 

[Charlie Tame]

So just keep blowing your FUD out your ass. REAL PEOPLE are wising up to
the like of you schmucks that are nothing but sell-outs to the human race.

Do you actually know any real people?

 

[Leythos]

The most constructive advice I could give MS is to dump its
anti-consumer technologies. They don't add any value to their
stockholders, and only create more and more consumer dissatifaction
about Microsoft's copy-protection disabled products!

This seems to be the foundation of your complaints, as it seems to be
what starts and ends your issues with MS.

I've seen real working Copy protection methods, and they are a total
PITA, most of the really effective ones require a dongle connected to a
USB or Parallel port. The real problem with that is if it gets lost you
either have to pay for a new dongle or you are screwed, which you would
complain about too.

As it is, the Piracy method still lets some pirates slip through the
net, more easily identifies pirated installs to end-users, and provides
a lot less headaches than other anti-piracy products I've used over the
last 30 years.

What it really boils down to is that you just appear to need some
soapbox to be up on in order to get through the day.

How about trying to provide something constructive?

 

[Leythos]

You run XP with Cross-Over? Geez, you are a blinking idiot. You claim to be
such an expert on the subject and don't even know what you're running.
Figures.

If you actually ran Linux you would know that the XP, as shows in the
text about MS Office I wrote, was about MS Office XP, not Windows XP. MS
Office XP works well under Cross-Over.

http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxoffice/

Since you don't appear to know much about Linux, try the above link.

 

[kurttrail]

Do you actually know any real people?

Yeah. Real people that want to just use the very expensive software
they buy with their hard-earned money with as little hassle as possible.

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And rattle your walls
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[kurttrail]

This seems to be the foundation of your complaints, as it seems to be
what starts and ends your issues with MS.

I've seen real working Copy protection methods, and they are a total
PITA, most of the really effective ones require a dongle connected to
a USB or Parallel port. The real problem with that is if it gets lost
you either have to pay for a new dongle or you are screwed, which you
would complain about too.

As it is, the Piracy method still lets some pirates slip through the
net, more easily identifies pirated installs to end-users, and
provides a lot less headaches than other anti-piracy products I've
used over the last 30 years.

What it really boils down to is that you just appear to need some
soapbox to be up on in order to get through the day.

How about trying to provide something constructive?

LOL! See. You just blew off the hundreds, probably thousands of real
people that have problems with WGA/N each month!

You care more about billionare corporate pirates than real people that
paid their hard-earned money for software.

You are scum. And I'm sure that all the real people that are MS
partners see you for what you are.

What MS can do that is constructive for its stockholders is stop
throwing their money in the copy-protection pit, because WGA/N only
hassles people that have paid for their software, and they are getting
more and more pissed.

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Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."

 

[NoStop]

If you actually ran Linux you would know that the XP, as shows in the
text about MS Office I wrote, was about MS Office XP, not Windows XP. MS
Office XP works well under Cross-Over.

http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxoffice/

Since you don't appear to know much about Linux, try the above link.

Sorry but I'm not interested in Crossover nor Wine as I have NO need to run
any MickeyMouse crap. It's too bad that you feel you need to, as there are
alternatives that are free and not tied into MickeyMouse and its silly
EULAs. I choose not to get fleeced by a multinational corporation like
MickeyMouse. If you're dumb enough to do so, that's just further evidence
that you can't be as bright as you think you are.


--
WGA is the best thing that has happened for Linux in a while.

The ULTIMATE Windoze Fanboy:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2370205018226686613

Is this a modern day equivalent of a Nazi youth rally?:

http://www.ntk.net/media/developers.mpg

A 3D Linux Desktop (video) ...

View Some Common Linux Desktops ...
http://shots.osdir.com/

 

[Leythos]

Sorry but I'm not interested in Crossover nor Wine as I have NO need to run
any MickeyMouse crap. It's too bad that you feel you need to, as there are
alternatives that are free and not tied into MickeyMouse and its silly
EULAs. I choose not to get fleeced by a multinational corporation like
MickeyMouse. If you're dumb enough to do so, that's just further evidence
that you can't be as bright as you think you are.

Actually, there is not a quality OS solution to importing many Word
documents, at least not the ones that use complex styles, and other
features only found in word - same is true for Excel and Power Point.

If you had any real computer experience, beyond your basement, you would
already know this and not be presenting yourself as a Zealot that is
spewing FUD instead of facts.

Fact is that I can pass a word document, such as a quote or proposal,
between my nix systems and my windows systems and they will have very
different appearances between the two systems. If I run cross-over on my
nix box and install office xp/2003, the document is the same, can be
printed the same, can be edited and passed back to the author in the
same format, etc...

Now show us again how little you know about things outside your
basement.

 

[Leythos]

LOL! See. You just blew off the hundreds, probably thousands of real
people that have problems with WGA/N each month!

You care more about billionare corporate pirates than real people that
paid their hard-earned money for software.

You are scum. And I'm sure that all the real people that are MS
partners see you for what you are.

What MS can do that is constructive for its stockholders is stop
throwing their money in the copy-protection pit, because WGA/N only
hassles people that have paid for their software, and they are getting
more and more pissed.

Seems strange that all you can do is call me names without anything
other than hostile speak. Why have you not presented anything
constructive in this thread?

You know as well as I do, even though it squashes your rant, that WGAN
has had little impact on Windows users, it's only in the news because of
a few cases (in comparison to how many there could actually be) because
of the hate mongers/hype-sters and the privacy FUD mongers.

You completely dismissed the lady that posted here a month ago about
finding that her copy of Windows XP Prof was pirated and how she's gone
after the vendor and actually won her case in court - all due to the
WGAN properly detecting a pirated copy.

 

[-Alias-]

Seems strange that all you can do is call me names without anything
other than hostile speak. Why have you not presented anything
constructive in this thread?

You know as well as I do, even though it squashes your rant, that WGAN
has had little impact on Windows users, it's only in the news because of
a few cases (in comparison to how many there could actually be) because
of the hate mongers/hype-sters and the privacy FUD mongers.

You completely dismissed the lady that posted here a month ago about
finding that her copy of Windows XP Prof was pirated and how she's gone
after the vendor and actually won her case in court - all due to the
WGAN properly detecting a pirated copy.

The funny thing is that one can run a pirated copy of XP, get all the
updates and not be affected by WGA/N at all. This may help stop casual
piracy and force some naive people to buy a copy of XP that they don't
really need but it doesn't stop people who knowingly use pirated copies
of XP. Fact is that WGA/N is flawed, otherwise MS wouldn't have made
programs to fix it when it f*cks up.

Alias

 

[kurttrail]

Seems strange that all you can do is call me names without anything
other than hostile speak. Why have you not presented anything
constructive in this thread?

I have, you just can't see it, because you care more about a soul-less
predatory monopoly than real people.

You know as well as I do, even though it squashes your rant, that WGAN
has had little impact on Windows users, it's only in the news because
of a few cases (in comparison to how many there could actually be)
because of the hate mongers/hype-sters and the privacy FUD mongers.

LOL! Few Cases! Hundreds, thousands a month!

You completely dismissed the lady that posted here a month ago about
finding that her copy of Windows XP Prof was pirated and how she's
gone after the vendor and actually won her case in court - all due to
the WGAN properly detecting a pirated copy.

Oooh! Didn't see that. Do you have a link to the court case? Or are
you just taking her word for it.

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And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."