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[kurttrail]

Why should MS have to suffer a lost sale because the computer owner
purchased/was given a pirated copy of XP?

It seems unfair that you believe vendors should take a loss for their
products because someone pirates it.

No, what really IS unfair is getting the victim to pay for the crime of
the pirate.

If you cared about other people, you might understand that concept, but
since you hate your fellow human beings, and love your corporate master,
you cannot possibly understand, let alone empathize.

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Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."

 

[Leythos]

No, what really IS unfair is getting the victim to pay for the crime of
the pirate.

If you cared about other people, you might understand that concept, but
since you hate your fellow human beings, and love your corporate master,
you cannot possibly understand, let alone empathize.

Now that's rich on your part. Your saying that you can determine that
users don't want to know their copy of XP is pirated, that they would
not be interested in going after the vendor that screwed them, and you
can say that MS has no right to create a tool that identifies pirated
copies of XP.

Seems you're completely lost on the "Me Me Me" idea instead of having
people be responsible for their actions.

 

[George]

No, what really IS unfair is getting the victim to pay for the crime of
the pirate.

If you cared about other people, you might understand that concept, but
since you hate your fellow human beings, and love your corporate master,
you cannot possibly understand, let alone empathize.

Hence, he is a dumba$$!!!!!

 

[kurttrail]

Now that's rich on your part. Your saying that you can determine that
users don't want to know their copy of XP is pirated, that they would
not be interested in going after the vendor that screwed them, and you
can say that MS has no right to create a tool that identifies pirated
copies of XP.

LOL! Did I say all that? No what I said is MS is using WGA/N to get
the victims of pirates to pay for the crime of the pirates. See I told
you that you wouldn't understand. Thanks for proving me right.

Seems you're completely lost on the "Me Me Me" idea instead of having
people be responsible for their actions.

LOL! I could care less about ME, when it comes to MS's anti-consumer
technologies. I'm smart enough to totally do without them, if I so
choose. What I care about are my fellow human beings, a concept that
you are totally ill-equipped to understand.

--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."

 

[Leythos]

LOL! Did I say all that? No what I said is MS is using WGA/N to get
the victims of pirates to pay for the crime of the pirates. See I told
you that you wouldn't understand. Thanks for proving me right.

That's where you misunderstand the entire thing, and I disagree with
you. Windows doesn't stop working just because WGAN nags the user, they
can keep using it, and they can disable it if they want.

What it does is identify pirated copies and the user/owner is now able
to make an informed decision about what they want to do.

As already posted, one user found her copy of XP was a pirated install
and has won a court case against the installing vendor (a local shop in
her area) that took advantage of her. She's still using the PC while the
judgment is collected from the vendor.

So, it seems that it IS informing people and people are making the right
choice - it's the pirates that victimize the users, not MS. It's not up
to MS to go to court for the user being screwed by the vendor, it's up
to the user to go after the vendor to provide restitution. MS goes after
the vendor, for MS, not for the user - two different cases.

Now, if you don't understand, just say so.

 

[-Alias-]

It seems, as normal, that you like to throw more into something that it
really means. Taken at it's face value, WGAN is a tool that identifies
pirated copies of XP and notifies the user.

You will never get it I'm afraid.

If you can't see the benefit in that simple test, to end-users, then you
will never see it. It's just that simple.

Can't see something that isn't there. WGA/N messes up and it has done so
much messing up that MS has several tools to fix it and a special
censored forum to help people whose computer's have been messed up with
this "simple test". What reality do you live in, Leythos? It certainly
isn't reason or simple logic.

Alias

 

[Leythos]

You will never get it I'm afraid.

No, I completely understand what you are saying, I even know why you are
saying it, but I disagree with your assessment completely.

Can't see something that isn't there. WGA/N messes up and it has done so
much messing up that MS has several tools to fix it and a special
censored forum to help people whose computer's have been messed up with
this "simple test". What reality do you live in, Leythos? It certainly
isn't reason or simple logic.

I base it on the number of users, commercial and residential, that I
have experience with, the number of other I.T. professionals that I know
who also have no problems with it, and even people that could not
maintain their systems if their lives depended on it, that have no
problems with WGA/WGAN.

I can't believe all of those people, thousands, could get around without
any problems if WGA/WGAN was as bad as you say.... Even more since I
read so many instances where the users have posted that they failed WGAN
and their systems are screwed up, compromised, or actually pirated.

 

[kurttrail]

That's where you misunderstand the entire thing, and I disagree with
you. Windows doesn't stop working just because WGAN nags the user,
they can keep using it, and they can disable it if they want.

They shouldn't have to do anything. And most people don't know how.
It's malware in that respect, that it doesn't have any easy uninstall.

What it does is identify pirated copies and the user/owner is now able
to make an informed decision about what they want to do.

Not so informed when it comes to false positives.

As already posted, one user found her copy of XP was a pirated install
and has won a court case against the installing vendor (a local shop
in her area) that took advantage of her. She's still using the PC
while the judgment is collected from the vendor.

LOL! So now MS is drafting users to do their legal work!

So, it seems that it IS informing people and people are making the
right choice - it's the pirates that victimize the users, not MS.

Both. The pirate at the time of purchase, and MS maybe years later!

It's not up to MS to go to court for the user being screwed by the
vendor, it's up to the user to go after the vendor to provide
restitution. MS goes after the vendor, for MS, not for the user - two
different cases.

No it is up to MS to go after the pirate, not the victim of the pirate!

Now, if you don't understand, just say so.

I understan you. You hate people, and love a convited predatory
monopolist and IP infringer.
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Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."

 

[Charlie Tame]

That's where you misunderstand the entire thing, and I disagree with
you. Windows doesn't stop working just because WGAN nags the user, they
can keep using it, and they can disable it if they want.

What it does is identify pirated copies and the user/owner is now able
to make an informed decision about what they want to do.

As already posted, one user found her copy of XP was a pirated install
and has won a court case against the installing vendor (a local shop in
her area) that took advantage of her. She's still using the PC while the
judgment is collected from the vendor.

So, it seems that it IS informing people and people are making the right
choice - it's the pirates that victimize the users, not MS. It's not up
to MS to go to court for the user being screwed by the vendor, it's up
to the user to go after the vendor to provide restitution. MS goes after
the vendor, for MS, not for the user - two different cases.

Now, if you don't understand, just say so.

Unfortunately this part of the argument is a classic "Glass half full / half
empty" situation to which there is no logical answer, each will see only
that which they want to see.

My concern is that as the biggest OS vendor MS "Has" to do something now in
case the big pirates get hold of Vista and install a bunch of crap with it.
They could make huge after sales income from such things as spyware, adware
and spam bots, and since the profit from the sale is a one off while the
potential ongoing income from the other stuff could last a long time I think
this is a real threat.

I sure as hell don't want to see anything happen that will assist the Feds
in their efforts to take control of the internet, and a large outbreak of
something like that will have the less knowledgeable yelling for some
authority to step in and do something, we all know where that will go.

I can't see any way that copy protection on CDs or anything like that will
help, it has to be a tool that is downloaded direct from MS. The level of
user knowledge has a lot to do with this and Linux will suffer exactly the
same problems as it acquires less knowledgeable users and perhaps some
"Standard" user friendly distribution. There may be no incentive for piracy
from "Sales" but there is for the other things above.

 

[Cher (BIRDWISE)]

I have to cime in here after reading numerous posts on numerous newsgroups
and blogs, and on Microsoft non helpful help areas,. etc etc, on the web; you
get the pic.
Bottom line is I;ve been trying to remove this "tool" for days now, and
have tried all of the conventional methods described and known to most folks
on the general and other xp groups...none have worked. I've used ones p osted
here and other places, and have even found the same inefetive "solutions" on
yutube; still here.
What I am finding is not the same as many have described as their problems.
I am using a genuine version of xp BTW, and it has been validated many times
before I installed variuos updates. Right now I was interrupted by 5 windows
all with trick ways tso remove them eg cloe or xingn out but in odd places
etc. THis is really sick and past annoying.
I have done the registry bit ot no end and have done it correctly.
Even have obtained instructions to remove WGA at Microsoft only not this
one, it only works for test versins or some crap like that; I forgot the
exact term... I have even gone back into registry after completing deletion
steps as is advized sincne it says that after removing folders/files from
registry at firsts two steps, ,it will still tryto come back...da da da da da
da......
So, what is the consensus? I'm not paying $30.00 I do not have; I don;t
even haver money to eat right now..for "help" from Microsoft. Does my problem
sound like this is a validation tool??? No way..this is a true absolutel
spywre ass others have said. It is; If you were here seeing what is sgoign on
you would agree.
Am tired of searching and researching the net for the same old fixes; none
work.
On those sites where folks had actual fixes, microsoft forced the people
to remove them from the site. You won't find them. Some sites and blogs have
been removed totally. Some left appologetic explanatins; some didn't.
I BTW have triede teh restore method of removing WGA but of course that
didn't work either; doign a restorer to a pooint in time when your windows
worked well asumingly...does not mean that it deletes any software or updates
that have been installed; a restore does not and did not do this; I found out
later on a group, it does not do it, but at leat I tried.
What I wonder is whether some folks who re providing these solutions have
actuallyt ried them andn whether or not they worked for them> There are many
different versions of WGA I have found so maybe these solutions work for some
not for others.
The latest, as you asked for I believe, is a version put out in late
September where the desktop wil turn black on not validlated users, and they
can get their screen backk for only an nhour at a taime when it will turn
black again; I read this on Microsoft's response to complaints.
Again, I would liek to her from anyone who has had problems similar to mine
and not just validation issues> What the hell is goign on here? I need help
with this, as do many others. How are we going nto get this dastardly spyware
removed? It reports back to microsoft even after it validates a software, I
understand and that it reports stuff back to Microsoft repeatedly all day
long...what it reports Microsoft
Since WGA was installed, rue the day, it has replaced my homepage, and has
done so by inserting severl microsoft URLs so that even if I change it back
to COMCAST, for example it defaults back to this weird mmicrosoft antivirus
page. No one is askign me to valiiate my windows BTW, although many others
are having this issue I see.
I get pop ups in baloons at the bottom of my tool bar, I get many other
windows obscuring my work, in fact I am not able to do any work. If I could
describe to you the havoc goign on here you wouldn't beleive it but I am
trying. I am getting messages from microsoft that I possibly have a virus,
that my pc is running at 47@ etc etc. I am gettign many requeests to download
this obsure (choice o f 2) anti virus softwares...BTW I use ESET systems on
my pcs. I can't tell you how many windows I have to close if I step awy for a
second, and I am not able to get any work done whatsoever.
I've tried deleting all files from my system including sub folders, hidden
files/folders/ etc etc etc, and have gone the My Computer Route to delete
folders there, and have gone into my registry more times than I ever have in
my life with many computers. This is my desktop. If when I go to my vista
laptops I find WGAN on them, I will break down and cry. If this is the wrong
forum for this then please tell me where a valid place to find answers is.
I've been everyplace I can think of. This pc just was at Microcenter and had
everythign checked; wasnot used for two months as I was very ill, and to come
backk to this is devastating honestly.
I hope someone comes up with some legit answers to this> I am tempted to
call the Boston consumer channel and let them coe video what is happening
here so everyone will know NO, do not download this...look at what might
happen to others as it has to me....Sorry this is so long and tha paragraphes
got screwed up. I will henc forth be considerably briefer. Cher (BIRDWISE)

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Have you bothered to read any of the other posts in this thread (the bulk of
which dates from July 2006)?

Are you referring to KB905474?

 

[Cher (BIRDWISE)]

Yes, PA Bear, as stated, I have. I have been doing so for days now. There is
no uninstall for this. I have read many here and at other places and have
tried all the ones from valid places. This is craziness and unlike most of
the complaints I am reading thus far but I'm not thru reseraching this by a
long shot. Do you have any help or links to offer in particular?? Cher
BIRDWISE

 

[Michael Jennings]

There is a drift to Macs - they're expensive. They have nine stores
in and around Boston - take a look: http://www.apple.com/retail/.
Or consider installing Linux, since you're objecting to Windows.
Linux is more of a chore than Windows which is more of a chore
than Mac, in my opinion. So you need to fuss & fiddle with Windows.

When you do a clean install of Windows, it formats your hard drive.
Save the documents you want to keep before you format.
Install anti-virus and anti-spyware programs after installing Windows.
Go to Windows Update and, using the Custom option, install updates
but do not accept the KB905474 update which you don't want.
Deselect it at WU, tell WU to hide it from you, and live with the
notice that you're in danger because you've hidden important updates.

Formatting also gets rid of any malware afflicting your computer.
After all that, reinstall your applications, taking care not to install
malware pretending to be legit, and restore your data. Another
way to deal with it would be to buy a new computer, or pay for
the clean up at a computer repair shop with a good reputation.