Well that sucks!!!


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pjp

Ok, newer pc been using so finally decide to move email over to it from
laptop running XP to this pc running Vista and Windows Mail.

Can't set it up to access my Hotmail account like could in XP, e.g. same as
isp's email server, e.g. POP3 and SMTP.

What f'ing crap!!! What the hell was wrong with leaving it in and why if I
can't do what I want with this the included email program (Win Mail) do I
have to spend time and effort to remove the useless ....

Argh, I don't want to separate email and news into two separate programs
when I've been doing it way worked just fine for years. And it wouldn't be
Windows Live anyway!!! I hate web based email.

Just a rant!!! It's SO SO SO EXPECTED from MS for years now.
 
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Ken Springer

Ok, newer pc been using so finally decide to move email over to it from
laptop running XP to this pc running Vista and Windows Mail.

Can't set it up to access my Hotmail account like could in XP, e.g. same as
isp's email server, e.g. POP3 and SMTP.

What f'ing crap!!! What the hell was wrong with leaving it in and why if I
can't do what I want with this the included email program (Win Mail) do I
have to spend time and effort to remove the useless ....

Argh, I don't want to separate email and news into two separate programs
when I've been doing it way worked just fine for years. And it wouldn't be
Windows Live anyway!!! I hate web based email.

Just a rant!!! It's SO SO SO EXPECTED from MS for years now.
Do these help?

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/Working-with-Windows-Mail
http://www.dslextreme.com/support/kb/how-do-i-configure-windows-vista-mail-to-access-newsgroups
http://vistasupport.mvps.org/accessing_newsgrousp_with-windows_mail.htm


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Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 9.0.1
Thunderbird 9.0.1
LibreOffice 3.4.4
 
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pjp

Ken Springer said:
No, it's NOT newsgroups (I'm reading and answering this using Win Mail under
Vista) that are a problem it's collecting email from Hotmail. Go to setup
hotmail account and it explicitely states can't setup Hotmail, Gmail etc. I
assume it's parsing the "hotmail" part and purposefully blocking my setting
it up even though I've had the account so long Hotmail still allows me
POP3/SMTP access as it didn't "force" me to abandon it years ago when they
stopped it for most, e.g. I use OE to access Hotmail on my XP pc along with
the other email accounts I have.

Argh! Means email stays on laptop running XP where-as I'd finally decided
newer pc was stable enough to "use it" for that to find out can't.

MS so often's "new and improved" is just so much more often "changed and
restricted more" gets tiring when it's repeated every single new version.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Ok, newer pc been using so finally decide to move email over to it from
laptop running XP to this pc running Vista and Windows Mail.
Can't set it up to access my Hotmail account like could in XP, e.g. same as
isp's email server, e.g. POP3 and SMTP.
What f'ing crap!!! What the hell was wrong with leaving it in and why if I
can't do what I want with this the included email program (Win Mail) do I
have to spend time and effort to remove the useless ....
Argh, I don't want to separate email and news into two separate programs when
I've been doing it way worked just fine for years. And it wouldn't be Windows
Live anyway!!! I hate web based email.
Just a rant!!! It's SO SO SO EXPECTED from MS for years now.
There are programs that do both, such as Thunderbird.

IMO, it's worth a try.
 
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pjp

Gene E. Bloch said:
There are programs that do both, such as Thunderbird.

IMO, it's worth a try.

Yea, might go that route. Think my chief concern is being able to backup the
files so that they're usable later. With OE you can drag and drop the
various emails and news articles into a folder and burn off to disk.
Although not named ".txt" they are just text files for most things. Only
caveat was guarding against overwriting same named file.

Used to use Netscape and it's email/news client back in WFW3.1 days but once
did jump to 98 (was beta tester) haven't really had a need to go beyond IE
and OE since (till now).
 
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pjp

pjp said:
No, it's NOT newsgroups (I'm reading and answering this using Win Mail
under Vista) that are a problem it's collecting email from Hotmail. Go to
setup hotmail account and it explicitely states can't setup Hotmail, Gmail
etc. I assume it's parsing the "hotmail" part and purposefully blocking my
setting it up even though I've had the account so long Hotmail still
allows me POP3/SMTP access as it didn't "force" me to abandon it years ago
when they stopped it for most, e.g. I use OE to access Hotmail on my XP pc
along with the other email accounts I have.

Argh! Means email stays on laptop running XP where-as I'd finally decided
newer pc was stable enough to "use it" for that to find out can't.

MS so often's "new and improved" is just so much more often "changed and
restricted more" gets tiring when it's repeated every single new version.

I'm thinking of installing Outlook which I normally leave out of my Office
installs. I assume it'll still do it as wife seems to use it fine under Win7
for her hotmail account.
 
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Ken Springer

I'm thinking of installing Outlook which I normally leave out of my Office
installs. I assume it'll still do it as wife seems to use it fine under Win7
for her hotmail account.
Unless things have changed, Outlook does not do newsgroups. For OE2007,
it connects to newsgroups using Win Mail.



--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 9.0.1
Thunderbird 9.0.1
LibreOffice 3.4.4
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Yea, might go that route. Think my chief concern is being able to backup the
files so that they're usable later. With OE you can drag and drop the various
emails and news articles into a folder and burn off to disk. Although not
named ".txt" they are just text files for most things. Only caveat was
guarding against overwriting same named file.
Used to use Netscape and it's email/news client back in WFW3.1 days but once
did jump to 98 (was beta tester) haven't really had a need to go beyond IE
and OE since (till now).
You can back files up easily in Thunderbird, using the file menu to
save selected messages. You can choose from a few file formats.

You can also save the database en masse, but you have to track down
where it is and which files you need to save, or just save the entire
profile, as I do on those rare occasions when I try to back the mail up
all at once. But I have to research it every time, since I do it so
rarely.

Possibly there's a tool or two available somewhere to facilitate the
process. I have no idea, I'm just speculating.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Only works on Windows. :-(
Thankee. I should have remembered that - I used it to transfer stuff
here from my previous machine, but that was way in the past - six or
eight months :)

Next thing you know *I'll* be asking for help with this... :)

For the OP - IIRC, MozBackup can back up either or both Thunderbird and
Firefox, as you choose when running it.
 
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Ken Springer

Thankee. I should have remembered that - I used it to transfer stuff
here from my previous machine, but that was way in the past - six or
eight months :)

Next thing you know *I'll* be asking for help with this... :)

For the OP - IIRC, MozBackup can back up either or both Thunderbird and
Firefox, as you choose when running it.
When I hit the road, and use my Win7 netbook instead of the iMac, I just
track down profiles.ini and the profiles folder, and move them between
the computers.


--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 9.0.1
Thunderbird 9.0.1
LibreOffice 3.4.4
 
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pjp

Ken Springer said:
Unless things have changed, Outlook does not do newsgroups. For OE2007,
it connects to newsgroups using Win Mail.



--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 9.0.1
Thunderbird 9.0.1
LibreOffice 3.4.4

Yea, got Outlook up and going with Hotmail using Connector and then find it
doesn't do newsgroups ... argh!!!
 
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pjp

pjp said:
Yea, got Outlook up and going with Hotmail using Connector and then find
it doesn't do newsgroups ... argh!!!

Oh well. I do have email now on newer Vitsta pc and I can monitor newsgroups
also on same machine so guess I can live with it. I managed to get all my
contacts into Outlook from OE but looks like I'll just have to backup all
saved emails etc from OE and accept not being able to easily get them into
Outlook. Ones I "need" to keep I'll just forward to myself from OE and pick
them up in Outlook. Time will make most of them unnecessary. Outlook versus
OE is a switch. Wonder why MS made names so similar when programs are so
distinctly different.
 
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Rich/rerat

pjp,
When you run the Account setup for the hotmail acct. Instead of using
(e-mail address removed) (w/o quotes) as the acct name, try using (e-mail address removed). After
going through the server setup and pressing Finish. Go back and edit the
account name back to (e-mail address removed) from (e-mail address removed).

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(RRR News) (message rule)
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Ken Springer said:
No, it's NOT newsgroups (I'm reading and answering this using Win Mail under
Vista) that are a problem it's collecting email from Hotmail. Go to setup
hotmail account and it explicitely states can't setup Hotmail, Gmail etc. I
assume it's parsing the "hotmail" part and purposefully blocking my setting
it up even though I've had the account so long Hotmail still allows me
POP3/SMTP access as it didn't "force" me to abandon it years ago when they
stopped it for most, e.g. I use OE to access Hotmail on my XP pc along with
the other email accounts I have.

Argh! Means email stays on laptop running XP where-as I'd finally decided
newer pc was stable enough to "use it" for that to find out can't.

MS so often's "new and improved" is just so much more often "changed and
restricted more" gets tiring when it's repeated every single new version.
 
B

Bob F

pjp said:
Ok, newer pc been using so finally decide to move email over to it
from laptop running XP to this pc running Vista and Windows Mail.

Can't set it up to access my Hotmail account like could in XP, e.g.
same as isp's email server, e.g. POP3 and SMTP.

What f'ing crap!!! What the hell was wrong with leaving it in and why
if I can't do what I want with this the included email program (Win
Mail) do I have to spend time and effort to remove the useless ....

Argh, I don't want to separate email and news into two separate
programs when I've been doing it way worked just fine for years. And
it wouldn't be Windows Live anyway!!! I hate web based email.

Just a rant!!! It's SO SO SO EXPECTED from MS for years now.
I haven't had any problem using windows mail for both email and newsgroups, and
have had no problems using it to access all my amail accounts. I did hasve to
play with it a bit to get it to look similar on the screen.
 
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pjp

Bob F said:
I haven't had any problem using windows mail for both email and
newsgroups, and have had no problems using it to access all my amail
accounts. I did have to play with it a bit to get it to look similar on
the screen.

Was no problem using XP but are you running Vista? If so, how are you
getting Windows Mail to access Hotmail? I can get it to work for my other
regular ISP email accounts that are POP3 but for Hotmail it just locks me
out not giving opportunity to fill in any blanks.

What I ended up doing was installing Outlook from my Office suite, then the
Outlook Connecter to access all my email accounts and use Windows Mail for
just the newsgroups. Works but really annoying MS just changes things for
changes sake itself sometimes.
 
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Bob F

pjp said:
Was no problem using XP but are you running Vista? If so, how are you
getting Windows Mail to access Hotmail? I can get it to work for my
other regular ISP email accounts that are POP3 but for Hotmail it
just locks me out not giving opportunity to fill in any blanks.
I don't use hotmail. Hotmail doesn't "speak" pop3?
 
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pjp

Bob F said:
I don't use hotmail. Hotmail doesn't "speak" pop3?

Hotmail does "speak" POP3 as I have/had no problems accesing it using
Outlook Express under XP. I believe it's because I've had the account so
long as I seem to remember years ago them eliminating access that way to new
signups. I'm unsure if that was actually the case and if it still is.

It appears the "new" Windows Mail in Vista that replaces Outlook Express
specifically locks out entering certain types of email addresses. The little
research I did implies they didn't build into it the ability to utilize web
based email. They seem to have done this by simply parsing the entered email
address even though that seems way to simplistic. However, that completely
ignores cases like mine where I can use a POP3 access method with hotmail
because the minute I enter the server address (which I must) it throws up
the "no no".

Just stupid but as mentioned in my case I just added Outlook to my installed
Office suite, installed the "Hotmail Connector" I already knew about because
we had to go through a similar episode with wife's Win7 pc and I have both
news reader and email on the one pc.
 
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Rich/rerat

pjp,
Try the following.
When you create the Hotmail acct through the POP Mail acct wizard, don't use
(e-mail address removed), but (e-mail address removed) , or (e-mail address removed) . You will change it
after setting up the rest of the account settings. As I previously posted.

One of my Hotmail accts was set up before 2006 change, and the other was set
up in 2010. Both work with the Following settings:

In WLM: Hotmail Acct Settings:

Server Tab:

POP Server: pop3.live.com

SMTP Server: smtp.live.com

Advanced tab:

Outgoing Server Port: 587

Incoming Server Port: 995

SSL Checked for both ports

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Bob F said:
I don't use hotmail. Hotmail doesn't "speak" pop3?

Hotmail does "speak" POP3 as I have/had no problems accesing it using
Outlook Express under XP. I believe it's because I've had the account so
long as I seem to remember years ago them eliminating access that way to new
signups. I'm unsure if that was actually the case and if it still is.

It appears the "new" Windows Mail in Vista that replaces Outlook Express
specifically locks out entering certain types of email addresses. The little
research I did implies they didn't build into it the ability to utilize web
based email. They seem to have done this by simply parsing the entered email
address even though that seems way to simplistic. However, that completely
ignores cases like mine where I can use a POP3 access method with hotmail
because the minute I enter the server address (which I must) it throws up
the "no no".

Just stupid but as mentioned in my case I just added Outlook to my installed
Office suite, installed the "Hotmail Connector" I already knew about because
we had to go through a similar episode with wife's Win7 pc and I have both
news reader and email on the one pc.
 
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