Vista I will not be buying

[GregRo]

I apologize for the rant.

http://snipurl.com/hbl7

I have made my decision

Vista I will not be buying.

No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the
computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware
got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it.

I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever.

If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system.

Greg Ro

 

[Leythos]

I apologize for the rant.

http://snipurl.com/hbl7

I have made my decision

Vista I will not be buying.

No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the
computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware
got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it.

I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever.

If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system.

So, what you're saying, is that you want the option to be able to steal
media if you choose and it's not the right of the OS vendor to limit you
in any way?

 

[relic]

I apologize for the rant.

http://snipurl.com/hbl7

I have made my decision

Vista I will not be buying.

No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the
computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware
got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it.

I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever.

If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system.

Greg Ro

I hope you can sleep at night if Microsoft goes bankrupt.

 

[Peter A. Stavrakoglou]

So, what you're saying, is that you want the option to be able to steal
media if you choose and it's not the right of the OS vendor to limit you
in any way?

I'm not sure exactly what restrictions Vista will have, as well as other
electronic devices, but some of us have an "issue" with what is considered
fair use. Will Vista prohibit me from burning a backup CD of software or
music? I'm entitled to do so, IMO. This is not a piracy issue in my case,
although I can see it being so for some others.

 

[Leythos]

I'm not sure exactly what restrictions Vista will have, as well as other
electronic devices, but some of us have an "issue" with what is considered
fair use. Will Vista prohibit me from burning a backup CD of software or
music? I'm entitled to do so, IMO. This is not a piracy issue in my case,
although I can see it being so for some others.

From what I've read, it only limits actions of what most of us would
consider pirating materials. Right now, if I stick my CD in the drive
and have WMP rip it to MP3's, it checks something and lets me do it -
and adds a license for it to my machine.

Seems to me that only pirates will have any issues with doing illegal
things with Vista. Read his link if you want to see.

 

[Leythos]

My point is I want to have access to everything on may hard drive and
in my computer.

If I choose to break a law that is my choice not the operating system.
I don't need a net nanny that for kids. Which I don't break any laws
for the record. Microsoft and Hollywood assumes everyone is a
criminal out to get them.

What if a virus, spyware, or adware program got into the protected
area and the virus, spyware or adware protection program could not
clean it out? This will happen.

If you want to buy vista go right ahead. I made my decision based on
those and other articles.

If every I do get vista is will be only because a job requires or
Microsoft sent me a free version

There is no "Protected Area" there is just a restriction on what you can
copy. Where do you get the idea that there is some magical area reserved
on your drive?

Your assumption about "protected area" is wrong, as is your reasoning.

 

[GregRo]

Lets see, you buy an OS, it permits you to do anything legal that you
want, you can copy music, you can copy video, all as long as you have a
legal right to it - what part are you left without?

Your analogy should be more like:

You buy a house.
You want to make crack in it.
The government has rules against it - you have a choice.
You start making crack.
You get your home taken away by the government.

My point is I want to have access to everything on may hard drive and
in my computer.

If I choose to break a law that is my choice not the operating system.
I don't need a net nanny that for kids. Which I don't break any laws
for the record. Microsoft and Hollywood assumes everyone is a
criminal out to get them.

What if a virus, spyware, or adware program got into the protected
area and the virus, spyware or adware protection program could not
clean it out? This will happen.

If you want to buy vista go right ahead. I made my decision based on
those and other articles.

If every I do get vista is will be only because a job requires or
Microsoft sent me a free version


Greg Ro

 

[kurttrail]

And how is that relevant to Vista? If vista does not stop one from
doing legal things, then it's not really an issue, is it.

If you hardware doesn't meet some arbitrary MS/Hollywood requirement,
then you won't be able to view hi-def video content.

That is an erosion of my "fair use" rights on the hi-def equipment I
already own.

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[Leythos]

If you hardware doesn't meet some arbitrary MS/Hollywood requirement,
then you won't be able to view hi-def video content.

That is an erosion of my "fair use" rights on the hi-def equipment I
already own.

I my wide screen TV is not HI-DEF ready, so I suppose that my rights
have been eroded too.

 

[Leythos]

That's not what he's saying. What he's saying is that he trusts himself
more than he trusts his OS vendor. It's a question of who should have the
keys to his computer, him or Microsoft. He chooses himself. I would too.

But the vendor isn't doing anything that would impact anyone that isn't
doing anything unethical - at least nothing anyone has mentioned points
to the vendor blocking anything ethical.

 

[Leythos]

Suppose a virus or other piece of malware managed to protect itself such
that I could not copy it. That would mean that I could not send it to an
expert for analysis or copy it onto another uninfected machine myself to
figure out how to disentangle it from my system.

It doesn't say that it will block access to files at the kernel layer,
only that you won't be able to pirate them - why would you assume that
virus scanners and such won't find them or that you can't delete them.

 

[kurttrail]

And to this day have you heard of any case of (at least) someone being
reprimanded by MS (The Great) for the very statements mentioned
above, like copying a CD. So Kurttrail, back on line with the OP
subject, will you be buying Vista? Or what ever it's called upon
official release. You'll be able to join in good company Carey,
Jupiter and Bruce in the new newsgroup, they may even be on your side
when the 'Neo-Uber' EULA MS imposes with it. Though Carey's nose
seems a bit too brown for that to happen.
- Winux P

I got Windows XP as a present, so I didn't pay for it, and I wouldn't
pay for Fistula, though that won't stop me from posting to a Fistula
group. ;-)

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[kurttrail]

But the vendor isn't doing anything that would impact anyone that
isn't doing anything unethical - at least nothing anyone has
mentioned points to the vendor blocking anything ethical.

Taking control away from the individual with technology is unethical in
my book, but I'm not a total suckup to corporations, like you!

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[Alias]

While I agree with your view - and don't believe they should be
installing anything that the RIAA wants, since it doesn't impact those
that don't violate the laws (at least as I read it), I don't have any
significant issues with it.

Not the point. The point is MS has NO BUSINESS being a copyright cop.
'Course, this fits right in with the principles behind PA and WGA: assuming
paying customers are thieves. So, this will prevent someone from sharing
some music but I am sure it won't prevent the real thieves from copying any
more than it prevented them from pirating XP.

Alias

 

[kurttrail]

While I agree with your view - and don't believe they should be
installing anything that the RIAA wants, since it doesn't impact those
that don't violate the laws (at least as I read it), I don't have any
significant issues with it.

LOL! When it screws up, as all usage-limiting technology does, it will
impact those that haven't violated any law. True pirates will get
around it, only law-abiding people will get screwed.

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[Alias]

Because it has nothing to do with Vista. Just because you "can do"
something doesn't mean it's legit.

And who is the person who decides what's legit and what isn't, Microsoft?
You? "Legit" is a relative term. I used to live in Venezuela and every
single music cassette was only about US 1.50. The music industry challenged
it and was told that Venezuelans can't afford the high prices the industry
wanted and to go fu*k off. In that society, casual copying is legal, even if
you intend to sell the copies. They have giant, "legit", recording companies
making the copies and selling them in all the stores. Even so, the music
industry is making trillions of dollars every year.

Alias

 

[MarcusD]

MS is not the only one that's going to have a problem with China. Due to
the fact that we have now taught the Chinese how to build everything for us,
and we have a huge trade imbalance to show for that, not to mention their
already huge and very rapidly growing military strength, and their coziness
with Russia of late, my thoughts are that we should all be more concerned
about our own tails, and not worry so much about microsoft's behind.


| Hello, Thanks for the information.
| Certain people do not understand the erosion of basic rights. No matter
what
| they state they "just don't get it".
| Microsoft may have future problems but not with file sharing or copying in
| the U.S. or Europe. Their problem will be with China, India and Google.
| take care.
| beamish.
|
| "GregRo" wrote:
|
| > I apologize for the rant.
| >
| > http://snipurl.com/hbl7
| >
| > I have made my decision
| >
| > Vista I will not be buying.
| >
| > No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the
| > computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware
| > got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it.
| >
| > I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever.
| >
| > If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system.
| >
| > Greg Ro
| >

 

[Leythos]

Even so, the music
industry is making trillions of dollars every year.

Looks like you have a problem with any company making LOTS of money, no
wonder you an Kurt get along soooo well.

They can only make money if customers support them.

 

[Leythos]

Sharer: does it to be nice.

Seller: does it to make money.

You still don't see the difference?

And what is the difference - sharing or selling, they both deprive the
owner of money.

I just don't agree that it's the same, and you won't change my opinion
as I believe I'm just as right as you believe you are.

 

[Leythos]

I guess the millions of people who taped music off the radio should be in
jail, right?

I don't know how the law relates to on-air music or it's recording.
Since we're talking about media like CD/DVD/MP3, etc.. I don't know the
rules about over-the-air taping.

I do know that there is no difference between making a copy for a friend
and selling a copy to a friend - either case, the vendor doesn't get any
money for the product.

Would you testify against a friend in court if you knew they
did that? Would you accept a reward for turning them in?


Would you be offended if your paid for and legit XP didn't pass a test and
MS told you you had to buy another?

It's never happened to anyone that I know or their friends and not to
anyone that I've had personal contact with - so I don't see it as an
issue.

In the times that Activation didn't work, since all of our machines
passed WGA, I've made a call to MS and was given a new activation key,
so I don't see it as a problem. I also expect that there will be errors
and that the vendors will provide a means to resolve issues where the
user is not screwed.

Don't you think you're making a big fuss about something that only
impacts pirates at this time?