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Waco Paco
LOL
You basically said the same thing over and over again. Learn to support
your arguments.
You basically said the same thing over and over again. Learn to support
your arguments.
uh-oh! Xbox 2|Next not looking so hot according to one supposed programmer-developer dude
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Re: uh-oh! Xbox 2|Next not looking so hot according to one supposed
programmer-developer dude
Please do not use mime, HTML, rtf or exended character sets when posting to
newsgroups that are non-binary. It causes havoc on some systems and some
programs.
thanks
programmer-developer dude
Please do not use mime, HTML, rtf or exended character sets when posting to
newsgroups that are non-binary. It causes havoc on some systems and some
programs.
thanks
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Stephen Craft
Okay, but... um...
Steam is written by Valve, distributed by Valve, and only used by Valve.
Only Valve games are distributed on Steam. How are they going to take away
the distribution rights of other developers and publishers? KOTOR, for
example, was developed by BioWare and published by LucasArts. Halo was
developed by Bungie and published by Microsoft. How, exactly, could Valve
*force* LucasArts and Microsoft to distribute their cames through Steam as
opposed to through retail? When it's Valve vs. Microsoft in a court of law
(especially if Valve is trying to force Microsoft to do something, and not
the other way around), I don't see Valve coming out on top in that fight.
Without Valve being able to force other developers to publish games through
their medium, I fail to see how they're going to be able to establish any
kind of monopoly.
I find your argument a little puzzling, that's all. I was certainly less
than pleased when, after waiting for years for HL2, and buying it (on
release day) and installing it, that I had to wait an additional day for
Steam to work. I was not happy about that. On the other hand, I also
understand that Steam is the first foray into this kind of distrubution, and
that almost by definition, the first tries are going to have bugs and
hiccups. I do *not* agree that Steam should be used as an anti-piracy
system (forcing a single-user game to connect online doesn't seem to make
sense), but as a publishing and distribution system, to me it's a good idea.
Historically, many publishers have been responsible for weakening games by
releasing games before they're ready; editing content; and restricting
developers' freedom to develop games as they see fit. If a developer has
the guts and the capacity to distribute a game without a big-name publisher,
I say more power to 'em.
*That* is the purpose publishers play -- Valve on its own is a comparatively
small shop, and doesn't have the finances, muscle, or clout to buy space on
retail shelves around the country. If they're going to ship actual physical
boxes to stores, they need help to do it, and they have to pay for that
help. That (fairly sizeable) chunk of the money that goes to the publisher
does *not* (obviously) end up in the pockets of the developer, and therefore
does *not* go toward developing future, better games. As an aspiring
game-maker myself, I choose to side with the little guy.
The first paragraph is all I'm really curious about, all you need to respond
to: how is Valve going to force other developers and/or publishers to
distribute their games through Steam?
Steam is written by Valve, distributed by Valve, and only used by Valve.
Only Valve games are distributed on Steam. How are they going to take away
the distribution rights of other developers and publishers? KOTOR, for
example, was developed by BioWare and published by LucasArts. Halo was
developed by Bungie and published by Microsoft. How, exactly, could Valve
*force* LucasArts and Microsoft to distribute their cames through Steam as
opposed to through retail? When it's Valve vs. Microsoft in a court of law
(especially if Valve is trying to force Microsoft to do something, and not
the other way around), I don't see Valve coming out on top in that fight.
Without Valve being able to force other developers to publish games through
their medium, I fail to see how they're going to be able to establish any
kind of monopoly.
I find your argument a little puzzling, that's all. I was certainly less
than pleased when, after waiting for years for HL2, and buying it (on
release day) and installing it, that I had to wait an additional day for
Steam to work. I was not happy about that. On the other hand, I also
understand that Steam is the first foray into this kind of distrubution, and
that almost by definition, the first tries are going to have bugs and
hiccups. I do *not* agree that Steam should be used as an anti-piracy
system (forcing a single-user game to connect online doesn't seem to make
sense), but as a publishing and distribution system, to me it's a good idea.
Historically, many publishers have been responsible for weakening games by
releasing games before they're ready; editing content; and restricting
developers' freedom to develop games as they see fit. If a developer has
the guts and the capacity to distribute a game without a big-name publisher,
I say more power to 'em.
*That* is the purpose publishers play -- Valve on its own is a comparatively
small shop, and doesn't have the finances, muscle, or clout to buy space on
retail shelves around the country. If they're going to ship actual physical
boxes to stores, they need help to do it, and they have to pay for that
help. That (fairly sizeable) chunk of the money that goes to the publisher
does *not* (obviously) end up in the pockets of the developer, and therefore
does *not* go toward developing future, better games. As an aspiring
game-maker myself, I choose to side with the little guy.
The first paragraph is all I'm really curious about, all you need to respond
to: how is Valve going to force other developers and/or publishers to
distribute their games through Steam?
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Shawk
Stephen said:
I'm sorry but you are talking sense. That is not permissable in threads
where Steam has become the subject. Yes, you do score points for being
completely off the subject the OP started, and you do get bonus points
for perpetuating difool/sayno2x's crap and bringing it back to the
attention of the folk that have KF'd him but I am afraid that having a
reasonable argument has really let you down. If you wish to continue to
discuss Steam please talk crap.
BTW - I do agree with you (except for waiting a day to play HL2 - guess
I was one of the lucky ones) and for once I'd be interested in the
replies (though I'll have to see someone quote them - I'm afraid I can't
see them anymore).
--
I mean, you've been around a bit, you know, like, you've, uh... You've
'done it'...
What do you mean?
Well, I mean like,... you've SLEPT, with a lady...
Yes...
What's it like?
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Stephen Craft
LOL... sorry about that. Like I said before, I'm new in this NG, and
haven't been exposed to this fellow's particular brand of logic, so I guess
I'm just curious how it works. I promise I won't argue long.
Stephen
ps -- i have a MPFC day-by-day calendar on my desk, and the nudge-nudge
scene was last week. your sig made me laugh.
haven't been exposed to this fellow's particular brand of logic, so I guess
I'm just curious how it works. I promise I won't argue long.
Stephenps -- i have a MPFC day-by-day calendar on my desk, and the nudge-nudge
scene was last week. your sig made me laugh.
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Shawk
Stephen said:LOL... sorry about that. Like I said before, I'm new in this NG, and
haven't been exposed to this fellow's particular brand of logic, so I guess
I'm just curious how it works. I promise I won't argue long.
ps -- i have a MPFC day-by-day calendar on my desk, and the nudge-nudge
scene was last week. your sig made me laugh.
No worries - only meant in fun. Difool is 'mostly harmless' but damned
frustrating - sense he makes does not.
Glad the sig brought a smile. It's usually MPFC or H2G2. Used to drive
folk mad quoting them with a mate over pints - now I do it on here.
--
I mean, you've been around a bit, you know, like, you've, uh... You've
'done it'...
What do you mean?
Well, I mean like,... you've SLEPT, with a lady...
Yes...
What's it like?
D
Doug Jacobs
In alt.games.video.xbox Andrew said:
He is fun to kick in the head a few times, then when you get bored, just
killfile him.
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Stephen Craft
I'm still waiting for the guy to respond to me. :/
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sayNO2steam
valve is "forcing" steam into pc gamers and at the same time is trying
to "seduce" other developers and publishers to use steam for their own
pc games
valve has made it public they are trying to convince other developers in
using steam
valve made it very clear, steam will not be only for valve games it will
be for all kinds of pc games!
in a way its ironic, they don't want a publishers and distributor like
sierra for their own pc games so they can have full profit but they want
others to use it cause obviously valve will get profits from other games
from other developers and publishers that use steam
valve want to take the place of every retail distributer in pc games...
and isn't this wanting to create a monopoly? for me yes!
valve are unbelievably cleaver... basically they want to become the only
and exclusive distributor of pc games, a little bit what happens in the
console world where the console manufacturer "eats" the profits of every
single game published
but i agree they are not "forcing" steam to other developers but only
cause they can't
valve can force steam into pc gamers cause they are stronger than us
valve can only seduce other developers and publishers into using steam
cause they are not strong enough to force it
but if microsoft buys valve which is possible, then microsoft has the
complete power to "force" steam into every single developer/publisher
making the pc like a console and creating a monopoly
the future is very worrisome
we must unit!
we must defend our consumer rights!
i know you are worried, its natural, we all are except those extremely
fanatics that trust valve blindly
i already defending why not a group of developers joining together and
create an independent "indie" type pc game publisher?
developers together can make a difference!
but using the traditional retail channel!
the retail channel is the best for us pc gamers!
if the retail channel is very expensive for individual developers they
can join together and create their own pc game publishing label with
enough resources to distribute using the retail channel
even if the little guy is using procedures to favour themselves and
damage us pc gamers?
i want developers to have more and more profits from their games
i want developers to be able to produce better games
i want developers to earn more money and even become millionaires
but not sacrificing our own consumer rights
better for developers yes, but not if it means damaging us
don't they say... the ends can never justify the means
pc game developers are my personal heroes! but i can't agree with them
when they act in a selfish and greedy way which is what valve is doing
valve is bought by microsoft
microsoft includes steam in its own windows operating system
then all developers, publishers and distributors will be forced with
it and we the pc gamers will be completely DOOMED!
this is for me the pc games final apocalypse
the end
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post made in a steam-free computer
i said "NO" to valve and steam
against steam campaign
http://nosteam.afterdarknet.at/
steamwatch - independent observatory about steam
http://www.steamwatch.org/
please sign petition "Say NO! to Steam!" available at:
http://www.petitiononline.com/nosteam/petition.html
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Stephen Craft
Wow. That's quite an... interesting... theory. It's also quite a bit of a
stretch, but whatever fills your twinkie, guy.
stretch, but whatever fills your twinkie, guy.
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Hank the Rapper
Stephen said:
That bird brain of his is really drinking now isn't it? No you know why it
is pointless to have a discussion with him.