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Leythos
Why don't you attack all the OTHER vendors too? Apple, Adobe, MacroMedia,
etc...
Why don't you attack all the OTHER vendors too? Apple, Adobe, MacroMedia,
etc...
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Woody
hey , i have an even better solution . why doesn't microsoft stop this
deceptive marketing practice ?
deceptive marketing practice ?
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kurttrail
Leythos said:
How the F*#K do you know he doesn't?
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Alias
Leythos said:
I have. Nice to see you agree that it's a deceptive marketing practise.
About time
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Woody
first of all , i don't consider questioning what i consider to be a very
deceptive marketing practice an attack and i will continue to do so until
they see fit to correct this situation .
wtf you're getting so defensive is beyond me .
deceptive marketing practice an attack and i will continue to do so until
they see fit to correct this situation .
wtf you're getting so defensive is beyond me .
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D.Currie
Woody said:
I was responding to Carl who said he couldn't return his copy to WalMart.
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Mike Brannigan [MSFT]
kurttrail said:
The reason the OEM EULA is not on the Web is that the I believe the OEM may
modify the terms of that license to a certain degree, so it may not be
possible to place all of them there.
We are hiding nothing - you still get to see the OEM EULA at install and
they still have the section I quoted.
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Mike Brannigan [MSFT]
Woody said:
There is no deception here - if you buy an OEM product the you are
purchasing that with hardware from an OEM that will support you.
It is not the Joe public retail market where we place the statement about
one license on PC on the box in the stores.
Frankly the OEM products were only ever to be shipped with a whole PC but it
is a legal loophole that has allowed certain vendors to offer these products
to end users with a $5 mouse etc. This is not our practice but there
choice.
If you do not like the OEM model/practice then please purchase Retail
Product.
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Alias
Mike Brannigan said:
Perhaps this is true in JesusLand but over here in Spain, I challenge you to
find one retail computer store that sells the retail XP OS. All of them sell
OEMs and they don't require that you also buy hardware. You can start with
the two largest computer store chains in Spain:
http://www.pcbox.com
and
http://www.appinformatica.com/
It surprises me that an employee of MS whose job it is to post on and
*International* newsgroup doesn't know this.
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Mike Brannigan [MSFT]
Alias said:
Firstly I have no idea where "JesusLand" is or what you are trying to imply
by that ( I am not even in the USA)
I am well aware fo the Spanish and also the German situation around the
requirements for hardware purchase - however this is due to the OEM hardware
requirement being challenged in the courts in those countries etc.
This still has nothing to do with the issue of one license per PC and if you
re unhappy with those terms do not install the software and follow the clear
statement in the EULA.
The choice fo those stores to sell OEM products is theirs and not ours.
Your choice to purchase OEM product with all of the restrictions they have
is again a consumer choice.
As regards your comments about this being an International newsgroup - this
is actually the English language group - you can find specific language
groups under the same hierarchy e.g. microsoft.public.es.windowsxp
However as I have already pointed out - the hardware purchase requirement
have nothing to do with this discussion.
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Mike Brannigan said:
You guessed it, all right, the USA.
Challenged by the courts? Does this mean that the hardware tie may be,
gasp!, illegal?
I do follow it, reluctantly. I am a paying customer of MS and have been for
many years, back to DOS. I am, however, unhappy with that policy. Are paying
customers allowed to be unhappy with the scammy EULAs? Are paying customers
allowed to be unhappy with having to go through activation and WGA when the
crackers don't have to do either?
Um, MS *sells* those OEM versions to the stores and *makes money* doing so.
I would therefore say that MS did choose something in the deal, wouldn't
you?
If my MB goes, I install a new one, no restrictions, except, maybe, a phone
call. The same applies to all of the hardware on one computer. At OEM
prices, I don't have a problem with one OS per computer, although I think
that MS should offer family packages at reduced rates so families that have
more than one computer don't have to pay more than once for the same thing.
Paying 299 EUR for XP Home Retail (I found a French store in Spain who sells
retail, Carrefour) is highway robbery. I could buy three OEMs and have
change!
The language of the group does not determine its internationality. As you
said, you're in the UK. I am in Spain. Anyone, in any country, can access
this group. Are you saying that because I am in Spain, I am not allowed to
post here and should take my opinions, questions, etc. to a Spanish group?
You brought it up. Do you realistically think that threads will stay on the
same subject until they die out? LOL!
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Michael Stevens
In
I think you probably misunderstood what carey was suggesting. The same
requirement to satisfy the EULA can be found on the CD when you purchase OEM
versions of XP, or on the outside of the box when you purchase XP retail.
If the buyer was uninformed, misguided or misinformed about the limitations
of OEM versions of XP, then purchasing the retail version with the
limitations printed on the outside of the box would have informed the buyer
of the limitations. What has happened to the buyer accepting some
responsibility for what they purchase?
LOL, But then why should they when people like you give validity to their
stupidity.
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kurttrail said:
I think you probably misunderstood what carey was suggesting. The same
requirement to satisfy the EULA can be found on the CD when you purchase OEM
versions of XP, or on the outside of the box when you purchase XP retail.
If the buyer was uninformed, misguided or misinformed about the limitations
of OEM versions of XP, then purchasing the retail version with the
limitations printed on the outside of the box would have informed the buyer
of the limitations. What has happened to the buyer accepting some
responsibility for what they purchase?
LOL, But then why should they when people like you give validity to their
stupidity.
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Leythos
Since you didn't properly quote the post you are replying too, no one has
any idea who you're talking too.
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Woody
<LOL, But then why should they when people like you give validity to their
stupidity.
EXCUSE ME ??? so i'm stupid now ?
<What has happened to the buyer accepting some
responsibility for what they purchase?>
I purchased a product which is readily available on virtually every web site
that sells hardware and software and in every computer store where i live .
at that time the retail box wasn't discounted but a few dollars and the oem
i bought was $157 . i ordered by phone and asked that since i was ordering
virtually all the internal components for my latest box if that qualified me
to purchase the oem ver of xp pro . the answer was yes . mike brannigan has
even stated below in this thread that the oem eula isn't available to read
online or anywhere until you open the package .
so should i have just assumed deception because it was a MS product ?
according to you premise , i guess i should have .
<I think you probably misunderstood what carey was suggesting. >
and no i didn't misunderstand anything i've been reading carey's posts for
over 2 years , i'll just leave it at that .
stupidity.
EXCUSE ME ??? so i'm stupid now ?
<What has happened to the buyer accepting some
responsibility for what they purchase?>
I purchased a product which is readily available on virtually every web site
that sells hardware and software and in every computer store where i live .
at that time the retail box wasn't discounted but a few dollars and the oem
i bought was $157 . i ordered by phone and asked that since i was ordering
virtually all the internal components for my latest box if that qualified me
to purchase the oem ver of xp pro . the answer was yes . mike brannigan has
even stated below in this thread that the oem eula isn't available to read
online or anywhere until you open the package .
so should i have just assumed deception because it was a MS product ?
according to you premise , i guess i should have .
<I think you probably misunderstood what carey was suggesting. >
and no i didn't misunderstand anything i've been reading carey's posts for
over 2 years , i'll just leave it at that .
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kurttrail
Michael said:
Not the OEM copies I've seen for sale. The only warning is that it is
to be sold with a computer, but is sold with a computer component.
Just some more meaningless word of MS.
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kurttrail
Mike said:
Ya'll could, at the very least, put the generic OEM EULA on the web, as
many consumers are purchasing that version over the retail version over
the net. Buying XP, in some case, $150 dollars less the msrp of a
retail copy.
And let's face it, your companies 2 free support calls, and to free
support emails aren't worth $150, especially since most support problems
are pawn off on other software and/or hardware.
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Mike Brannigan [MSFT]
kurttrail said:
We do place the (retail) EULAs for Home and Pro on the site.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/eula.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/eula.mspx
The terms of use as regards this licensing of one license per PC are covered
in these EULAs
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kurttrail
Leythos said:
Speak for yourself Gaythos! I understood who he was talking to, and
what he was talking about.
You are just a lamer!
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kurttrail
Mike said:
I got that the first time you posted it. OEM and Retail aren't the same
when it comes to transferring to another computer, and in other respects
to, especially on returns.
So unless the Retail & OEM EULAs are exactly the same, which they
aren't, it is deceptive not to include the generic OEM EULA, and tell
people looking to buy OEM to read the Retail EULA.
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Woody
<Since you didn't properly quote the post you are replying too, no one has
any idea who you're talking too.
gee then you must be psychic ;-P or then maybe you're a netiquette cop or
as i suspect just changing the subject because your panties are all in a
bunch over this .
why not just start your own new thread about proper ways to post here . i'm
using about the simplest newsreader there is OE and i'm having absolutely no
problem following this thread , maybe you should try it . personally i find
it a major pita to have to scroll to the bottom of a long post to read a
short reply and the theres the top posters which make reading all that
senceless . so normally i just snip the relevent part and reply to it .
ohhh btw , i was replying to you .
any idea who you're talking too.
gee then you must be psychic ;-P or then maybe you're a netiquette cop or
as i suspect just changing the subject because your panties are all in a
bunch over this .
why not just start your own new thread about proper ways to post here . i'm
using about the simplest newsreader there is OE and i'm having absolutely no
problem following this thread , maybe you should try it . personally i find
it a major pita to have to scroll to the bottom of a long post to read a
short reply and the theres the top posters which make reading all that
senceless . so normally i just snip the relevent part and reply to it .
ohhh btw , i was replying to you .