Registry Cleanup Software

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Guest

Greetings,

I am a visitor from Planet Macintosh. I mean you no harm. Take me to your
ubergeek.

I'm not too hip to Windows, but I've gotta use an XP laptop sometimes. I
understand that savvy users get third party software to clean the junk out of
the registry now and then. I've got a preview copy of Ace Utilities. It
seemed okay before it expired. I'm trying to decide whether to buy it, or to
get some other product.

Does Ace Utilities have a generally good reputation? Will it do chores like
cleaning up the registry as well as other products?

If not, what do you recommend?

Thanks in advance,

Tim
 
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Shenan Stanley

Sensitive said:
I'm not too hip to Windows, but I've gotta use an XP laptop
sometimes. I understand that savvy users get third party software to
clean the junk out of the registry now and then.

No.

People who can actually clean the registry without the utilities might
dabble in them - but it does nothing for your noticable performance most of
the time (more than most.)

Don't bother.

Go through this tips list and maintain your system properly and crap like
Registry Cleaners should never enter your mind again.. Not to mention many
of the applications are free..

Microsoft has these suggestions for Protecting your computer from the
various things that could happen to you/it:

Protect your PC
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/


Although those tips are fantastic, there are many things you should
know above and beyond what is there. Below I have detailed
out many steps that can not only help you clean-up a problem PC but
keep it clean ,secure and running at its top performance mark.

I know this text can seem intimidating - it is quite long and a lot
to take in for a novice - but I assure you that one trip through this
list and you will understand your computer and the options available
to you for protecting your data much better - and that the next time
you review these steps, the time it takes will be greatly reduced.

Let's take the cleanup of your computer step-by-step. Yes, it will take
up some of your time - but consider what you use your computer
for and how much you would dislike it if all of your stuff on your
computer went away because you did not "feel like" performing some
simple maintenance tasks - think of it like taking out your garbage,
collecting and sorting your postal mail, paying your bills on time,
etc.

I'll mainly work around Windows XP, as that is what the bulk of this
document is about; however, here is a place for you poor souls still
stuck in Windows 98/ME where you can get information on maintaining
your system:

Windows 98 and 'Maintaining Your Computer':
http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/usingwindows/maintaining/

Windows ME Computer Health:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsME/using/computerhealth/articles/

Pay close attention to the sections:
(in order)
- Clean up your hard disk
- Check for errors by running ScanDisk
- Defragment your hard disk
- Roll back the clock with System Restore


Also - now is a good time to point you to one of the easiest ways to find
information on problems you may be having and solutions others have found:

Search using Google!
http://www.google.com/
(How-to: http://www.google.com/intl/en/help/basics.html )


Now, let's go through some maintenance first that should only have to be
done once (mostly):

Tip (1):
Locate all of the software you have installed on your computer.
(the installation media - CDs, downloaded files, etc)
Collect these CDs and files together in a central and safe
place along with their CD keys and such. Make backups of these
installation media sets using your favorite copying method (CD/DVD Burner
and application, Disk copier, etc.) You'll be glad to know that if you
have a CD/DVD burner, you may be able to use a free application to make a
duplicate copy of your CDs. One such application is ISORecorder:

ISORecorder page (with general instructions on use):
http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/beta.htm

Yes - it is BETA software - but very useful and well tested.

More full function applications (free) for CD/DVD burning would be:

DeepBurner Free
http://www.deepburner.com/

CDBurnerXP Pro
http://www.cdburnerxp.se/

Another Option would be to search the web with Pricewatch.com or
Dealsites.net and find deals on Products like Ahead Nero and/or Roxio.


Tip (2):
Empty your Temporary Internet Files and shrink the size it stores to a
size between 128MB and 512MB..

- Open ONE copy of Internet Explorer.
- Select TOOLS -> Internet Options.
- Under the General tab in the "Temporary Internet Files" section, do the
following:
- Click on "Delete Cookies" (click OK)
- Click on "Settings" and change the "Amount of disk space to use:" to
something between 128MB and 512MB. (Betting it is MUCH larger right
now.)
- Click OK.
- Click on "Delete Files" and select to "Delete all offline contents"
(the checkbox) and click OK. (If you had a LOT, this could take 2-10
minutes or more.)
- Once it is done, click OK, close Internet Explorer, re-open Internet
Explorer.


Tip (3):
If things are running a bit sluggish and/or you have an older system
(1.5GHz or less and 256MB RAM or less) then you may want to look into
tweaking the performance by turning off some of the 'resource hogging'
Windows XP "prettifications". The fastest method is:

Control Panel --> System --> Advanced tab --> Performance section,
Settings button. Then choose "adjust for best performance" and you
now have a Windows 2000/98 look which turned off most of the annoying
"prettifications" in one swift action. You can play with the last
three checkboxes to get more of an XP look without many of the
other annoyances. You could also grab and install/use one
(or more) of the Microsoft Powertoys - TweakUI in particular:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx


Tip (4):
Understanding what a good password might be is vital to your
personal and system security. You may think you do not need to password
your home computer, as you may have it in a locked area (your home) where
no one else has access to it. Remember, however, you aren't always
"in that locked area" when using your computer online - meaning you likely
have usernames and passwords associated with web sites and the likes that
you would prefer other people do not discover/use. This is why you should
understand and utilize good passwords.

Good passwords are those that meet these general rules
(mileage may vary):

Passwords should contain at least six characters, and the character
string should contain at least three of these four character types:
- uppercase letters
- lowercase letters
- numerals
- nonalphanumeric characters (e.g., *, %, &, !, :)

Passwords should not contain your name/username.
Passwords should be unique to you and easy to remember.

One method many people are using today is to make up a phrase that
describes a point in their life and then turning that phrase into their
password by using only certain letters out of each word in that phrase.
It's much better than using your birthday month/year or your anniversary
in a pure sense. For example, let's say my phrase is:
'Moved to new home in 2004'
I could come up with this password from that:
'Mv2n3whmN04'

The password tip is in the one time section, but I highly
recommend you periodically change your passwords. The suggested time
varies, but I will throw out a 'once in every 3 to 6 months for
every account you have.'


Tip (5):
This tip is also 'questionable' in the one time section; however -
if properly setup - this one can be pretty well ignored for most people
after the initial 'fiddle-with' time.

Why you should use a computer firewall..
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/viruses/fwbenefits.mspx

You should, in some way, use a firewall. Hardware (like a nice
Cable Modem/DSL router) or software is up to you. Many use both of
these. The simplest one to use is the hardware one, as most people
don't do anything that they will need to configure their NAT device
for and those who do certainly will not mind fiddling with the equipment
to make things work for them. Next in the line of simplicity would
have to be the built-in Windows Firewall of Windows XP. In SP2 it
is turned on by default. It is not difficult to turn on in any
case, however:

Enable/Disable the Internet Connection Firewall (Pre-SP2):
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/283673

More information on the Internet Connection Firewall (Pre-SP2):
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/320855

Post-SP2 Windows Firewall Information/guidance:
http://snipurl.com/atal

The trouble with the Windows Firewall is that it only keeps things
out. For most people who maintain their system in other ways, this is
MORE than sufficient. However, you may feel otherwise. If you want to
know when one of your applications is trying to obtain access to the
outside world so you can stop it, then you will have to install a
third-party application and configure/maintain it. I have compiled a
list with links of some of the better known/free firewalls you can choose
from:

BlackICE PC Protection (~$39.95 and up)
http://blackice.iss.net/

Jetico Personal Firewall (Free)
http://www.jetico.com/index.htm#/jpfirewall.htm

Kerio Personal Firewall (KPF) (Free and up)
http://www.kerio.com/kpf_download.html

Outpost Firewall from Agnitum (Free and up)
http://www.agnitum.com/download/

Sygate Personal Firewall (Free and up)
http://smb.sygate.com/buy/download_buy.htm

Symantec's Norton Personal Firewall (~$25 and up)
http://www.symantec.com/sabu/nis/npf/

ZoneAlarm (Free and up)
http://snipurl.com/6ohg

You should find the right firewall for your situation in that
list and set it up.

Every firewall WILL require some maintenance. Essentially checking for
patches or upgrades (this goes for hardware and software solutions) is
the extent of this maintenance - you may also have to configure your
firewall to allow some traffic depending on your needs.

** Don't stack the software firewalls! Running more than one software
firewall will not make you safer - it would possibly negate some
protection you gleamed from one or the other firewall you run.


Now that you have some of the more basic things down..
Let's go through some of the steps you should take periodically to
maintain a healthy and stable windows computer. If you have not
done some of these things in the past, they may seem tedious - however,
they will become routine and some can even be automatically scheduled.


Tip (6):
The system restore feature is a new one - first appearing in Windows
ME and then sticking around for Windows XP. It is a useful feature
if you keep it maintained and use it to your advantage. Remember that
the system restore pretty much tells you in the name what it protects
which is 'system' files. Your documents, your pictures, your stuff is
NOT system files - so you should also look into some backup solution.

Whenever you think about it (after doing a once-over on your machine
once a month or so would be optimal) - clear out your System Restore
and create a manual restoration point.

'Why?'

Too many times have I seen the system restore files go corrupt or get
a virus in them, meaning you could not or did not want to restore from
them. By clearing it out periodically you help prevent any corruption
from happening and you make sure you have at least one good "snapshot".
(*This, of course, will erase any previous restore point you have.*)

- Turn off System Restore.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310405
- Reboot the Computer.
- Review the first bullet to turn on System Restore
- Make a Manual Restoration Point.
http://snipurl.com/68nx

That covers your system files, but doesn't do anything for the files
that you are REALLY worried about - yours! For that you need to look
into backups. You can either manually copy your important files, folders,
documents, spreadsheets, emails, contacts, pictures, drawings and so on
to an external location (CD/DVD - any disk of some sort, etc) or you can
use the backup tool that comes with Windows XP:

How To Use Backup to Back Up Files and Folders on Your Computer
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308422

Yes - you still need some sort of external media to store the results
on, but you could schedule the backup to occur when you are not around,
then burn the resultant data onto CD or DVD or something when you are
(while you do other things!)

A lot of people have wondered about how to completely backup their system
so that they would not have to go through the trouble of a reinstall..
I'm going to voice my opinion here and say that it would be worthless to
do for MOST people. Unless you plan on periodically updating the image
backup of your system (remaking it) - then by the time you use it
(something goes wrong) - it will be so outdated as to be more trouble than
performing a full install of the operating system and all applications.

Having said my part against it, you can clone/backup your hard drive
completely using many methods - by far the simplest are using disk cloning
applications:

Symantec/Norton Ghost
http://www.symantec.com/sabu/ghost/

Acronis True Image
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage


Tip (7):
You should sometimes look through the list of applications that are
installed on your computer. The list may surprise you. There are more
than likely things in there you know you never use - so why have them
there? There may even be things you know you did *not* install and
certainly do not use (maybe don't WANT to use.)

This web site should help you get started at looking through this list:

How to Uninstall Programs
http://snipurl.com/8v6b

A word of warning - Do NOT uninstall anything you think you MIGHT need
in the future unless you have completed Tip (1) and have the installation
media and proper keys for use backed up somewhere safe!


Tip (8):
Patches and Updates!

This one cannot be stressed enough. It is SO simple, yet so neglected
by many people. It is especially simple for the critical Windows patches!
Microsoft put in an AUTOMATED feature for you to utilize so that you do
NOT have to worry yourself about the patching of the Operating System:

How to configure and use Automatic Updates in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525

However, not everyone wants to be a slave to automation, and that is
fine. Admittedly, I prefer this method on some of my more critical
systems.

Windows Update
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/

Go there and scan your machine for updates. Always get the critical ones
as you see them. Write down the KB###### or Q###### you see when
selecting the updates and if you have trouble over the next few days,
go into your control panel (Add/Remove Programs), insure that the
'Show Updates' checkbox is checked and match up the latest numbers you
downloaded recently (since you started noticing an issue) and uninstall
them. If there was more than one (usually is), uninstall them one by one
with a few hours of use in between, to see if the problem returns.
Yes - the process is not perfect (updating) and can cause trouble like I
mentioned - but as you can see, the solution isn't that bad - and is
MUCH better than the alternatives.

Windows is not the only product you likely have on your PC. The
manufacturers of the other products usually have updates. New versions
of almost everything come out all the time - some are free, some are pay
and some you can only download if you are registered - but it is best
to check. Just go to their web pages and look under their support and
download sections. For example, for Microsoft Office you should visit:

Microsoft Office Updates
http://office.microsoft.com/
(and select 'Check for Updates' and/or 'Downloads' for more)

You also have hardware on your machine that requires drivers to interface
with the operating system. You have a video card that allows you to see on
your screen, a sound card that allows you to hear your PCs sound output and
so on. Visit those manufacturer web sites for the latest downloadable
drivers for your hardware/operating system. Always get the manufacturers'
hardware driver over any Microsoft offers. On the Windows Update site I
mentioned earlier, I suggest NOT getting their hardware drivers - no matter
how tempting.

How do you know what hardware you have in your computer? Break out the
invoice or if it is up and working now - take inventory:

Belarc Advisor
http://belarc.com/free_download.html

EVEREST Home Edition
http://www.lavalys.com/products/download.php?pid=1&lang=en

Once you know what you have, what next? Go get the latest driver for your
hardware/OS from the manufacturer's web page. For example, let's say you
have an NVidia chipset video card or ATI video card, perhaps a Creative
Labs sound card or C-Media chipset sound card...

NVidia Video Card Drivers
http://www.nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp

ATI Video Card Drivers
http://www.atitech.com/support/driver.html

Creative Labs Sound Device
http://us.creative.com/support/downloads/

C-Media Sound Device
http://www.cmedia.com.tw/e_download_01.htm

Then install these drivers. Updated drivers are usually more stable and
may provide extra benefits/features that you really wished you had before.

As for Service Pack 2 (SP2) for Windows XP, Microsoft has made this
particular patch available in a number of ways. First, there is the
Windows Update web page above. Then there is a direct download site.

Direct Download of Service Pack 2 (SP2) for Windows XP
http://snipurl.com/8bqy

If all else fails - grab the full download above and try to use that.
In this case - consider yourself a 'IT professional or developer'.


Tip (9):
What about the dreaded word in the computer world, VIRUS?

Well, there are many products to choose from that will help you prevent
infections from these horrid little applications. Many are FREE to the
home user and which you choose is a matter of taste, really. Many people
have emotional attachments or performance issues with one or another
AntiVirus software. Try some out, read reviews and decide for yourself
which you like more:

( Good Comparison Page for AV software: http://www.av-comparatives.org/ )

AntiVir (Free and up)
http://www.free-av.com/

avast! (Free and up)
http://www.avast.com/

AVG Anti-Virus System (Free and up)
http://free.grisoft.com/

eset NOD32 (~$39.00 and up)
http://www.eset.com/products/products.htm

eTrust EZ Antivirus (~$29.95 and up)
http://ca.com/store/home/us/hp2/

Kaspersky Anti-Virus (~$49.95 and up)
http://www.kaspersky.com/products.html

McAfee VirusScan (~$11 and up)
http://www.mcafee.com/

Panda Antivirus Titanium (~$39.95 and up)
http://www.pandasoftware.com/
(Free Online Scanner: http://www.pandasoftware.com/activescan/)

RAV AntiVirus Online Virus Scan (Free!)
http://www.ravantivirus.com/scan/

Symantec (Norton) AntiVirus (~$11 and up)
http://www.symantec.com/nav/nav_9xnt/

Trend Micro (~$49.95 and up)
http://www.trendmicro.com/en/home/us/personal.htm
(Free Online Scanner:
http://housecall.trendmicro.com/housecall/start_corp.asp)


Most of them have automatic update capabilities. You will have to
look into the features of the one you choose. Whatever one you finally
settle with - be SURE to keep it updated (I recommend at least daily) and
perform a full scan periodically (yes, most protect you actively, but a
full scan once a month at 4AM probably won't bother you.)


Tip (10):
The most rampant infestation at the current time concerns SPYWARE/ADWARE.
You need to eliminate it from your machine.

There is no one software that cleans and immunizes you against
everything. Antivirus software - you only needed one. Firewall, you
only needed one. AntiSpyware - you will need several. I have a list and
I recommend you use at least the first five.

First - make sure you have NOT installed "Rogue AntiSpyware". There are
people out there who created AntiSpyware products that actually install
spyware of their own! You need to avoid these:

Rogue/Suspect Anti-Spyware Products & Web Sites
http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm

Also, you can always visit this site..
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm
For more updated information.

Install the first five of these: (Install, Run, Update, Scan with..)
(If you already have one or more - uninstall them and download the
LATEST version from the page given!)

Lavasoft AdAware (Free and up)
http://www.lavasoft.de/support/download/
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/atdn )

Spybot Search and Destroy (Free!)
http://www.safer-networking.net/en/download/index.html
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/atdk )

Bazooka Adware and Spyware Scanner (Free!)
http://www.kephyr.com/spywarescanner/
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate3 )

SpywareBlaster (Free!)
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/sbdownload.html
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate6 )

IE-SPYAD2 (Free!)
https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/ehowes/www/resource.htm
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate7 )

CWShredder Stand-Alone (Free!)
http://www.intermute.com/spysubtract/cwshredder_download.html

Hijack This! (Free!)
http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/downloads.html
(Log Analyzer: http://hjt.iamnotageek.com/ )

ToolbarCop (Free!)
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/toolbarcop.htm

Microsoft AntiSpyware BETA (in testing stages - Free!)
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/fqur )

Browser Security Tests (Free Tester)
http://www.jasons-toolbox.com/BrowserSecurity/

Popup Tester (Free Tester)
http://www.popuptest.com/

The Cleaner (~$49.95 and up)
http://www.moosoft.com/

Sometimes you need to install the application and reboot into SAFE MODE in
order to thoroughly clean your computer. Many applications also have
(or are) immunization applications. Spybot Search and Destroy and
SpywareBlaster are two that currently do the best job at passively
protecting your system from malware. None of these programs (in these
editions) run in the background unless you TELL them to. The space they
take up and how easy they are to use greatly makes up for any inconvenience
you may be feeling.

Please notice that Windows XP SP2 does help stop popups as well.

Another option is to use an alternative Web browser. I suggest
'Mozilla Firefox', as it has some great features and is very easy to use:

Mozilla Firefox
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/


So your machine is pretty clean and up to date now. If you use the sections
above as a guide, it should stay that way as well! There are still a few
more things you can do to keep your machine running in top shape.


Tip (11):
You should periodically check your hard drive(s) for errors and defragment
them. Only defragment after you have cleaned up your machine of
outside parasites and never defragment as a solution to a quirkiness in
your system. It may help speed up your system, but it should be clean
before you do this. Do these things IN ORDER...

How to use Disk Cleanup
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310312

How to scan your disks for errors
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315265

How to Defragment your hard drives
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314848

I would personally perform the above steps at least once every three months.
For most people this should be sufficient, but if the difference you notice
afterwards is greater than you think it should be, lessen the time in
between its schedule.. If the difference you notice is negligible, you can
increase the time.


Tip (12):
SPAM! JUNK MAIL!
This one can get annoying, just like the rest. You get 50 emails in one
sitting and 2 of them you wanted. NICE! (Not.) What can you do? Well,
although there are services out there to help you, some email
servers/services that actually do lower your spam with features built into
their servers - I still like the methods that let you be the end-decision
maker on what is spam and what is not. I have two products to suggest to
you, look at them and see if either of them suite your needs. Again, if
they don't, Google is free and available for your perusal.

SpamBayes (Free!)
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/

Spamihilator (Free!)
http://www.spamihilator.com/

As I said, those are not your only options, but are reliable ones I have
seen function for hundreds+ people.


Tip (13):
ADVANCED TIP! Only do this once you are comfortable under the hood of your
computer!

There are lots of services on your PC that are probably turned on by default
you don't use. Why have them on? Check out these web pages to see what all
of the services you might find on your computer are and set them according
to your personal needs. Be CAREFUL what you set to manual, and take heed
and write down as you change things! Also, don't expect a large performance
increase or anything - especially on today's 2+ GHz machines, however - I
look at each service you set to manual as one less service you have to worry
about someone exploiting.

Black Viper Service Configuration Tips
http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm

Configuring Services
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/winnt/services.html

Task List Programs
http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist.htm

Processes in Windows NT/2000/XP
http://www.reger24.de/prozesse/

There are also applications that AREN'T services that startup when you start
up the computer/logon. One of the better description on how to handle these
I have found here:

Startups
http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/startup_content.php


If you follow the advice laid out above (and do some of your own research as
well, so you understand what you are doing) - your computer will stay fairly
stable and secure and you will have a more trouble-free system.
 
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Guest

Hi, this is my first time visiting a newsgroup... OK, so, XP sucks! I have
it on my laptop. Windows 2000 Professional is still not outdated that I know
of, and still is the best DOS shell...[try Norton System Works 2005! It
might still be ONLY $50.00 at Best Buy (it has A LOT to it however).

FREE ---> SPYBOT SEARCH AND DESTROY----->
http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/ (in the options settings
under one of the menus is the choice to use "Advanced Features". ONLY CHOOSE
if you know what you're doing...ya might screw something up ya know cuz it
really works)]

XP is what I call "STICKY" ..meaning, becaues it does so much "thinking for
you" with all the plug and play devices and crap, it likes to think that you
automatically want what's easy! This is not good...STUDY: CONTROL
PANEL\INTERNET OPTIONS\SECURITY SETTINGS --->down at the bottom don't use the
bar on the left. Instead, read carefully (and man, I do mean carefully!)
through the custom settings and, I know it's a bitch, but so are the adware
that get stuck on you're PC.

I've spent the last few months really getting accustomed to the way I LIKE
these settings to be. I use CONTROL PANEL\FOLDER OPTIONS a lot too!! Under
the second tab at the top you have choices... Like, I use 'view hidden
files' only only only only....when i'm disconnected from the internet. So,
then guess what you get to see...C:\Doocuments and Settings\''your name
here"\LOCAL SETTINGS\TEMPORARY INTERNET FILES. Turn it off immediately (the
v.h.f) after you're done pokin'!!!!!!!!! Adware goes through this file you
didn't even know was there!!! Some shit huh?

Spybot S&D
http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/


-Window Washer you purchase for like $10.00...it wipes stuff out so ya gotta
be careful with it fo real yo.

lookin' out,
truhonest2u
 
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Lua

Shenan said:
No.

People who can actually clean the registry without the utilities might
dabble in them - but it does nothing for your noticable performance most of
the time (more than most.)

Don't bother.


I couldn't disagree more. As usual "cut and paste" answers don't answer
the question - a reg cleaner and/or compressor are the best ways to keep
your pc running smoothly and fast. JV16 is pretty good and safe (but
always make a back-up first).

Lu
 
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R. McCarty

Your "Global' statement that Reg Cleaners & Compressors are the
"Best" way to keep your PC running smoothly/fast is far more reckless
and dangerous than the post you replied to. What you just stated may
cause inexperienced XP users to rush out and run JV16. If only 1 or
2 users render their machines unusable - you've really helped them out.

The advocacy of Registry Cleaners is frowned on here. Use them if
you want - Just don't come to XP-Gen and recommend them to others.
 
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Shenan Stanley

Shenan said:
People who can actually clean the registry without the utilities
might dabble in them - but it does nothing for your noticable
performance most of the time (more than most.)

Don't bother.
I couldn't disagree more. As usual "cut and paste" answers don't
answer the question - a reg cleaner and/or compressor are the best
ways to keep your pc running smoothly and fast. JV16 is pretty good
and safe (but always make a back-up first).

The 'cut and paste answer' will do more for the OP than your answer by far.

Your answer of "a reg cleaner and/or compressor are the best ways to keep
your pc running smoothly and fast" is one of the largest crocks I have ever
seen posted in a reply. A registry cleaner and/or compressor (or registry
compressor) will make such little difference in most people's machine
performance that it is not worth the chance of not knowing what you are
doing and removing the "wrong" entry. At most - the OP might notice a
shutdown timing decrease.. Otherwise - likely nothing from messing with the
registry.

However, if they followed the advice laid out in my tips - it is almost a
guaranteed thing they will not NEED to worry about the rogue entry in the
registry slowing them down - nor will they have to worry much about viruses,
worms, trojans, spyware, adware, malware and fragmentation and such -
because it will be a normal part of their system maintenance to cleanup and
prevent infestation/trouble caused by such things.

My opinion remains unchanged. If you know enough about the registry to do
what the registry cleaner offers manually - then you should use it.. But if
you have to figure out each entry it finds with research and more research -
perhaps you just are nto ready to use a tool that has so much potential in
either direction.
 
A

Alias

Shenan Stanley said:
The 'cut and paste answer' will do more for the OP than your answer by
far.

Your answer of "a reg cleaner and/or compressor are the best ways to keep
your pc running smoothly and fast" is one of the largest crocks I have
ever seen posted in a reply. A registry cleaner and/or compressor (or
registry compressor) will make such little difference in most people's
machine performance that it is not worth the chance of not knowing what
you are doing and removing the "wrong" entry. At most - the OP might
notice a shutdown timing decrease.. Otherwise - likely nothing from
messing with the registry.

However, if they followed the advice laid out in my tips - it is almost a
guaranteed thing they will not NEED to worry about the rogue entry in the
registry slowing them down - nor will they have to worry much about
viruses, worms, trojans, spyware, adware, malware and fragmentation and
such - because it will be a normal part of their system maintenance to
cleanup and prevent infestation/trouble caused by such things.

My opinion remains unchanged. If you know enough about the registry to do
what the registry cleaner offers manually - then you should use it.. But
if you have to figure out each entry it finds with research and more
research - perhaps you just are nto ready to use a tool that has so much
potential in either direction.

And you're an MVP? LOL! I have been using Registry Fixer from V-Com for
years and it is very good. It has saved my computers' ass a number of times.
Course, to you, that's not necessary? Puhlease!

Alias
 
S

Shenan Stanley

Alias said:
And you're an MVP? LOL! I have been using Registry Fixer from V-Com
for years and it is very good. It has saved my computers' ass a
number of times. Course, to you, that's not necessary? Puhlease!

So you agree - the BEST way to keep a machine perfomring at top shape is a
Registry Cleaner/Compressor?

And all the other stuff I listed is unnecessary?
 
J

Jim

Alias said:
VP

And you're an MVP? LOL! I have been using Registry Fixer from V-Com for
years and it is very good. It has saved my computers' ass a number of
times. Course, to you, that's not necessary? Puhlease!

Alias
OK, I have never used a registry cleaner, I'll bet that not using one has
saved me countless times.
Jim
 
A

Alias

Shenan Stanley said:
So you agree - the BEST way to keep a machine perfomring at top shape is a
Registry Cleaner/Compressor?

I don't compress as it will be a cold day in Havana before I even come close
to filling up my hard drive. I said nothing about the "best". I only say
that registry fixers are good things; I use one and have had no problems
with it and it has saved my computers' asses numerous times. I also find it
handy to get rid of registry entries that are left over after an uninstall.
And all the other stuff I listed is unnecessary?

Oh, I agree with the tips, although I don't see a real need to change
passwords periodically with, say, your Hotmail account.

Alias
 
S

Shenan Stanley

Sensitive said:
I'm not too hip to Windows, but I've gotta use an XP laptop
sometimes. I understand that savvy users get third party software to
clean the junk out of the registry now and then.
<snipped non-relevant stuff>

Shenan said:
No.

People who can actually clean the registry without the utilities might
dabble in them - but it does nothing for your noticable performance
most of the time (more than most.)

Don't bother.

Go through this tips list and maintain your system properly and crap
like Registry Cleaners should never enter your mind again.. Not to
mention many of the applications are free..
<snipped tips>
I couldn't disagree more. As usual "cut and paste" answers don't
answer the question - a reg cleaner and/or compressor are the best
ways to keep your pc running smoothly and fast. JV16 is pretty good
and safe (but always make a back-up first).

Shenan said:
The 'cut and paste answer' will do more for the OP than your answer
by far.
Your answer of "a reg cleaner and/or compressor are the best ways to
keep your pc running smoothly and fast" is one of the largest crocks
I have ever seen posted in a reply. A registry cleaner and/or
compressor (or registry compressor) will make such little difference
in most people's machine performance that it is not worth the chance
of not knowing what you are doing and removing the "wrong" entry. At
most - the OP might notice a shutdown timing decrease.. Otherwise -
likely nothing from messing with the registry.

However, if they followed the advice laid out in my tips - it is
almost a guaranteed thing they will not NEED to worry about the rogue
entry in the registry slowing them down - nor will they have to worry
much about viruses, worms, trojans, spyware, adware, malware and
fragmentation and such - because it will be a normal part of their
system maintenance to cleanup and prevent infestation/trouble caused
by such things.
My opinion remains unchanged. If you know enough about the registry
to do what the registry cleaner offers manually - then you should use
it.. But if you have to figure out each entry it finds with research
and more research - perhaps you just are nto ready to use a tool that
has so much potential in either direction.
And you're an MVP? LOL! I have been using Registry Fixer from V-Com
for years and it is very good. It has saved my computers' ass a
number of times. Course, to you, that's not necessary? Puhlease!

Shenan said:
So you agree - the BEST way to keep a machine perfomring at top
shape is a Registry Cleaner/Compressor?
And all the other stuff I listed is unnecessary?
I don't compress as it will be a cold day in Havana before I even
come close to filling up my hard drive. I said nothing about the
"best". I only say that registry fixers are good things; I use one
and have had no problems with it and it has saved my computers' asses
numerous times. I also find it handy to get rid of registry entries
that are left over after an uninstall.
Oh, I agree with the tips, although I don't see a real need to change
passwords periodically with, say, your Hotmail account.

For the hotmail account - Even if you pay for it?
Many people use it as their main email account.

This off-shoot of the thread was the disagreement between myself and Lua -
who stated that "a reg cleaner and/or compressor are the best ways to keep
your pc running smoothly and fast." It's not "the best way".

If you read what I said - those who would dig through the registry and clean
without a third party application may find them useful.. However - those
not familar with the registry and confortable with it should not bother to
use one - as they could do more damage than good. It's like throwing
someone who knows nothing about cars a screwdriver and telling them to
adjust the carb in a vehicle.. Later you can tell them that it is fuel
injected and they still won't get the joke.
 
A

Alias

Shenan Stanley said:
<snipped non-relevant stuff>


<snipped tips>








For the hotmail account - Even if you pay for it?

Pay for it? Why would I want to do that? I only have one Hotmail account to
test form emails.
Many people use it as their main email account.

You're right, those people shouldn't be using a registry anything.
This off-shoot of the thread was the disagreement between myself and Lua -
who stated that "a reg cleaner and/or compressor are the best ways to keep
your pc running smoothly and fast." It's not "the best way".

I agree with that.
If you read what I said - those who would dig through the registry and
clean without a third party application may find them useful.. However -
those not familar with the registry and confortable with it should not
bother to use one - as they could do more damage than good. It's like
throwing someone who knows nothing about cars a screwdriver and telling
them to adjust the carb in a vehicle.. Later you can tell them that it is
fuel injected and they still won't get the joke.

Agreed, some people shouldn't get close to computers, much less mess around
with the registry. That said, for other people, it is a very useful tool.

Cody
 
K

Kerry Brown

Alias said:
We all have our problems and limitations.


And the reason you know this is?

Alias

I have worked on numerous computers that have cost the owner a trip to the
shop because they ran a registry cleaner/optimizer. If you know what you are
doing and review every change before it is done registry cleaners can be
useful. If you don't know what you are doing and blindly let the registry
cleaner "fix" all the errors it finds be prepared to take your computer to
someone who does know what they are doing to have it repaired. In your case
it appears you know what you are doing. To recommend registry cleaners in
general to an audience that includes many newbie's is irresponsible.

Kerry
 
D

David R. Norton MVP

I'm not too hip to Windows, but I've gotta use an XP laptop sometimes. I
understand that savvy users get third party software to clean the junk
out of the registry now and then. I've got a preview copy of Ace
Utilities. It seemed okay before it expired. I'm trying to decide
whether to buy it, or to get some other product.

DO NOT BUY IT! You've had several good answers already I see but I want to
make one VERY important point (important if you're as cheap as I am!) and
that point is that all the things that these packaged utilities do can be
done (and often MUCH better!) by freeware utilities.

There are lots of pros and cons regarding cleaning the registry but if you do
decide to do so, there are plenty of freeware applications that will do that
for you.

Personally, I don't know if cleaning the registry does any good, I do know
I've used RegScrubXP many times and it has never done any harm. Google will
find it for you if you'd like to try it.

PS, if cleaning your registry results in the melt down of your computer with
resulting explosion of the entire solar system as some here will tell you it
will, I'll be very surprised.
 
K

Kerry Brown

David R. Norton MVP said:
DO NOT BUY IT! You've had several good answers already I see but I want
to
make one VERY important point (important if you're as cheap as I am!) and
that point is that all the things that these packaged utilities do can be
done (and often MUCH better!) by freeware utilities.

There are lots of pros and cons regarding cleaning the registry but if you
do
decide to do so, there are plenty of freeware applications that will do
that
for you.

Personally, I don't know if cleaning the registry does any good, I do know
I've used RegScrubXP many times and it has never done any harm. Google
will
find it for you if you'd like to try it.

PS, if cleaning your registry results in the melt down of your computer
with
resulting explosion of the entire solar system as some here will tell you
it
will, I'll be very surprised.

In Windows 9x based versions of Windows the registry was used very
differently from XP. Registry cleaning was sometimes needed in older
versions of Windows. Can you tell me what the benefits are of cleaning or
compacting the registry with Windows XP? The only possible benefit is that
loading Windows XP may be slightly shorter. On any normal pc capable of
running Windows XP the time difference would be less than a couple of
seconds. The disk space saved would be less than the default cluster size so
it is doubtful you would see any difference in the size of the registry
files on disk either. Running most registry cleaner/optimizer programs
usually has no ill effects. It also usually has no benefit. When something
does go wrong the average computer user won't know how to fix it. The pc may
not even boot. I have seen this happen many times to customers. They run the
program for years with no problems then something goes wrong and I get the
computer for repair.

Kerry
 
L

Lua

Shenan said:
The 'cut and paste answer' will do more for the OP than your answer by far.

Your answer of "a reg cleaner and/or compressor are the best ways to keep
your pc running smoothly and fast" is one of the largest crocks I have ever
seen posted in a reply. A registry cleaner and/or compressor (or registry
compressor) will make such little difference in most people's machine
performance that it is not worth the chance of not knowing what you are
doing and removing the "wrong" entry. At most - the OP might notice a
shutdown timing decrease.. Otherwise - likely nothing from messing with the
registry.

However, if they followed the advice laid out in my tips - it is almost a
guaranteed thing they will not NEED to worry about the rogue entry in the
registry slowing them down - nor will they have to worry much about viruses,
worms, trojans, spyware, adware, malware and fragmentation and such -
because it will be a normal part of their system maintenance to cleanup and
prevent infestation/trouble caused by such things.

My opinion remains unchanged. If you know enough about the registry to do
what the registry cleaner offers manually - then you should use it.. But if
you have to figure out each entry it finds with research and more research -
perhaps you just are nto ready to use a tool that has so much potential in
either direction.

I doubt they will follow your tips as it was so long-winded - I for one
realised it was a load of bollox after a few lines.
My opinion also remains, and in any case, manually editing a registry is
much more dangerous than using JV16 which does a backup by default (IIRC).
Lu
 
L

Lua

R. McCarty said:
Your "Global' statement that Reg Cleaners & Compressors are the
"Best" way to keep your PC running smoothly/fast is far more reckless
and dangerous than the post you replied to. What you just stated may
cause inexperienced XP users to rush out and run JV16. If only 1 or
2 users render their machines unusable - you've really helped them out.

The advocacy of Registry Cleaners is frowned on here. Use them if
you want - Just don't come to XP-Gen and recommend them to others.


Next you'll be telling me top posters aren't welcome either :)
JV16 is "exactly" what the novice needs, rather than tinkering manually.
As for your statement "The advocacy of Registry Cleaners is frowned on
here" - all I can to that is what a load of bollox! How come it always
takes me only a few posts to find the self-appointed 'net policeman?
Lu
 
L

Lua

Shenan said:
It's like throwing
someone who knows nothing about cars a screwdriver and telling them to
adjust the carb in a vehicle.. Later you can tell them that it is fuel
injected and they still won't get the joke.

Bollox! Tinkering manually is just that. My advice is akin to calling a
mechanic in!


Lu
 
L

Lua

David said:
"Sensitive New Age Thug" <[email protected]>
wrote in:




DO NOT BUY IT! You've had several good answers already I see but I want to
make one VERY important point (important if you're as cheap as I am!) and
that point is that all the things that these packaged utilities do can be
done (and often MUCH better!) by freeware utilities.

There are lots of pros and cons regarding cleaning the registry but if you do
decide to do so, there are plenty of freeware applications that will do that
for you.

Personally, I don't know if cleaning the registry does any good, I do know
I've used RegScrubXP many times and it has never done any harm. Google will
find it for you if you'd like to try it.

PS, if cleaning your registry results in the melt down of your computer with
resulting explosion of the entire solar system as some here will tell you it
will, I'll be very surprised.


I have NEVER had a problem with JV16 or any other reg cleaner. And I
always make a backup of changes before cleaning every time. These
softwares ARE made for novices (and experts) alike.
Lu
 

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