4 Myths of Registry Cleaning

T

Twayne

Since there seems to be a healthy interest in the registry lately, I
though I'd offer this partial from a white paper I have. It's not new,
but it's still accurate and well worded, IMO. Applicable to all windows
except not sure of Vista or version 7 & 8, which seem to be just more
Vista.

N O T E : The closed minds and snake oil pundits are going to come
slithering out of their holes enmasse over this I imagined. I could not
care less and neither should you. Whether you agree or disagree with
this is no business of mine and your own perogative. My own experience
over more than a decade is fully positive and based on experience and
research, this is an informative, reasonably well written article with a
lot of good advice.

Enjoy

What you wanted to know about cleaning registry on your PC but were
afraid to ask

OR; 4 Myths of Registry Cleaning

(c) amust & a very few \comments\ of my own interspersed; see end of
post.

Windows registry is the "heart and soul" of your Windows

computer. Similar to a file system where you store your documents,

registry is where Windows system stores information about your

computer. All software and hardware settings, as well as every

other aspect of the system configuration is stored in the registry.

Similar to a file system registry is organized in a hierarchical tree

like structure. For example, the settings for Internet Explorer are

stored in HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer

(computer specific settings) as well as

HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer (user specific

settings) keys or registry files. Windows uses this information to

perform *every* operation.

When you install new software (even if you install a small ActiveX

component from the Internet) or make any changes to the

configuration (add new hardware or modify appearance of your

desktop) the changes are recorded in the registry.

If you have a brand new computer your registry is clean and

healthy. However, over time it accumulates old and incorrect

records which can lead to system errors and slowdown in

performance. In addition, spyware, keyloggers, viruses, and Trojan

horses *use* the registry to manipulate the system.

Registry is the most sensitive and critical element of the Microsoft

operating system. Cleaning and repairing registry requires

knowledge and expertise. Doing it the wrong way can lead to more

problems and even fatal system errors. Doing it the right way will

lead to less system errors and better performance.



If you want to learn more about registry there are

some good resources at:

.. Microsoft Knowledgebase article: 0HDescription of the Microsoft

Windows registry OR

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;256986

.. 1HJSI FAQ Tips and Tricks \PAGE IS GONE\

.. Very good technical book for IT pros: 2HMicrosoft Windows XP

Registry Guide by Jerry Honeycutt OR

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...103-4924259-0749442?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

.. 3HMastering Windows XP Registry by Peter D. Hipson OR

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...103-4924259-0749442?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

MS regclean bugs:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;299958

and regclean

http://www.amustsoft.com/






Myth 1: Cleaning Registry on a regular basis is a must

If your Windows computer is relatively new, less than 6 months old,

and you are not a very active user cleaning the registry would not

give you much of a result. However, if you are an active PC user

who frequently tries new software, you need to clean your registry

regularly. To figure out how often you should clean your registry

ask yourself the following questions:

1. How frequently do I install and uninstall games, audio and

video, photo and graphics software, instant messaging or

other Internet software, home and education software, new

printer or other drivers, anti virus, anti spyware and other

utilities?

2. How frequently do I install ActiveX or other components

when browsing the Internet?

3. Do I follow the correct software uninstall procedure?

/Or do I do it "my" way because I know best?/

4. How often do I change my system configuration for example

Internet Explore settings, or other?

5. How often do I change my hardware, printer, monitor,

memory, etc?

Depending on how you answered the questions above you need to

clean your PC registry daily, weekly, monthly, or every 6 months.

More frequent changes require more frequent cleaning.




Myth 2: All registry cleaners work the same way.

The more problems it finds the better the cleaner

The number of problems a cleaner finds is just one of the

indicators. The more important indicator is how many problems it

*fixes* the right way.

In general, there are two different approaches to registry cleaning:

1) "Smart & safe"; and 2) "Bulk & Deep".

A good analogy would be house cleaning. Some people, in fact

most of us, accumulate a lot of paper on their desks. You can clean

your desk by going through every piece of paper, carefully

reviewing each document: credit card statements, important

notices, and newspaper articles. While doing that you put

important documents in the appropriate folders and get rid of the

junk. However, there are some documents you are not sure about.

You do additional work to determine if those documents are

important. This type of desk cleaning is smart & safe, which results

in a clean desk and organized folders. In addition, you know you

won't have problems in the future as you didn't throw away any

important documents. Similarly, a smart & safe registry cleaner

does the job the proper way - if it is not sure about the registry

record it doesn't discard it but works to find out if the record is

important. This cleaning results in a healthy registry, with less

errors and better computer performance.



Alternatively, while cleaning your desk you may keep only

important documents and get rid of the documents you are not sure

about along with the junk. This approach does not include

additional work to find out if the documents that you are not sure

about are important. Obviously, with this approach you will throw

away more documents but it might lead to losing important ones.

This method is called "bulk & deep" cleaning. Similarly, a "bulk &

deep" registry cleaner might show more problems and remove

good registry records.

In fact, some vendors report non-problems as problems to make

their product look better. They call "bulk" cleaning "deep"

cleaning. "Bulk & deep" cleaning that does a mediocre job cleaning

your registry and can lead to more problems and errors. An

example of a problem that can be created by "bulk" cleaning is

described by Microsoft at:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;299958




Myth 3: Full registry backup & restore is enough to keep you out of
trouble

Having full registry backup and restore is critical as it allows you to

bring the registry back to how it was at a certain point in time.

However, it is not enough to keep you out of trouble. You need

both full registry restore and undo registry changes. Let's say in a

day or a week after cleaning the registry on your PC you

experience a problem with one of your applications. You can use

the full registry backup to bring the registry back exactly to the

point in time when you created the full backup. However, you will

lose all the changes to the computer configuration you made after

that last backup. With *"undo registry changes"*, on the other hand,

you are able to reverse the problematic registry change without

affecting the other registry parts. You can fix the problem without

losing all the configuration changes made to your PC.

The rule of thumb is: use "full registry restore" for major disasters

and "undo registry changes" to fix specific problems.

Registry is the most sensitive part of your computer. The ability to

have both a full restore as well as selective undo is a must to keep

you out of trouble.

AMUSTSoftware - 4 Myths about Windows XP Registry Cleanup

Page 4

Myth 4: All the care your registry needs is cleaning and repairing

Your registry also needs compacting which reduces the registry

size and defragments it by removing the holes and empty spaces in

the registry tree.

Cleaning garbage from your registry makes it better since it

removes unused and incorrect data that causes registry pollution,

computer errors and a slowdown in performance. However, this is

not the only thing you need to always have your registry at its best.

Registry structure is such that when you remove unused and

incorrect data, holes are created in the registry tree. Your computer

uses registry to perform every operation. Having holes or empty

spaces in the registry tree slows down your computers performance

and might create operational errors. So, just like the

defragmentation of files compacting the registry removes holes and

fragments causing your computer to run smoother and faster. That

is why in addition to cleaning and repairing the registry must also

be compacted.




Bottom Line:

Registry is critical to the health and performance of your PC. Smart

& safe registry cleaning, repairing and compacting will help to

keep your PC healthy and fast.




Note:

Registry cleaning is just one of things you need to do to maintain

your Windows computer. You should follow other good practices

that include keeping your computer updated with the latest

Microsoft updates, using antivirus and antispyware, using

personal firewall, and regular disk cleaning and defragmentation.

© 2005, AMUST Software Ltd. www.amustsoft.com. All rights

reserved. AMUST Software logo is trademark of AMUST Software

Ltd. in the United States and other countries.
 
M

Mike Hall - MVP

Twayne said:
Since there seems to be a healthy interest in the registry lately, I
though I'd offer this partial from a white paper I have. It's not new,
but it's still accurate and well worded, IMO. Applicable to all windows
except not sure of Vista or version 7 & 8, which seem to be just more
Vista.

N O T E : The closed minds and snake oil pundits are going to come
slithering out of their holes enmasse over this I imagined. I could not
care less and neither should you. Whether you agree or disagree with this
is no business of mine and your own perogative. My own experience over
more than a decade is fully positive and based on experience and research,
this is an informative, reasonably well written article with a lot of good
advice.

Enjoy

What you wanted to know about cleaning registry on your PC but were afraid
to ask

OR; 4 Myths of Registry Cleaning

(c) amust & a very few \comments\ of my own interspersed; see end of post.

Windows registry is the "heart and soul" of your Windows

computer. Similar to a file system where you store your documents,

registry is where Windows system stores information about your

computer. All software and hardware settings, as well as every

other aspect of the system configuration is stored in the registry.

Similar to a file system registry is organized in a hierarchical tree

like structure. For example, the settings for Internet Explorer are

stored in HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer

(computer specific settings) as well as

HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer (user specific

settings) keys or registry files. Windows uses this information to

perform *every* operation.

When you install new software (even if you install a small ActiveX

component from the Internet) or make any changes to the

configuration (add new hardware or modify appearance of your

desktop) the changes are recorded in the registry.

If you have a brand new computer your registry is clean and

healthy. However, over time it accumulates old and incorrect

records which can lead to system errors and slowdown in

performance. In addition, spyware, keyloggers, viruses, and Trojan

horses *use* the registry to manipulate the system.

Registry is the most sensitive and critical element of the Microsoft

operating system. Cleaning and repairing registry requires

knowledge and expertise. Doing it the wrong way can lead to more

problems and even fatal system errors. Doing it the right way will

lead to less system errors and better performance.



If you want to learn more about registry there are

some good resources at:

. Microsoft Knowledgebase article: 0HDescription of the Microsoft

Windows registry OR

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;256986

. 1HJSI FAQ Tips and Tricks \PAGE IS GONE\

. Very good technical book for IT pros: 2HMicrosoft Windows XP

Registry Guide by Jerry Honeycutt OR

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...103-4924259-0749442?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

. 3HMastering Windows XP Registry by Peter D. Hipson OR

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...103-4924259-0749442?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

MS regclean bugs:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;299958

and regclean

http://www.amustsoft.com/






Myth 1: Cleaning Registry on a regular basis is a must

If your Windows computer is relatively new, less than 6 months old,

and you are not a very active user cleaning the registry would not

give you much of a result. However, if you are an active PC user

who frequently tries new software, you need to clean your registry

regularly. To figure out how often you should clean your registry

ask yourself the following questions:

1. How frequently do I install and uninstall games, audio and

video, photo and graphics software, instant messaging or

other Internet software, home and education software, new

printer or other drivers, anti virus, anti spyware and other

utilities?

2. How frequently do I install ActiveX or other components

when browsing the Internet?

3. Do I follow the correct software uninstall procedure?

/Or do I do it "my" way because I know best?/

4. How often do I change my system configuration for example

Internet Explore settings, or other?

5. How often do I change my hardware, printer, monitor,

memory, etc?

Depending on how you answered the questions above you need to

clean your PC registry daily, weekly, monthly, or every 6 months.

More frequent changes require more frequent cleaning.




Myth 2: All registry cleaners work the same way.

The more problems it finds the better the cleaner

The number of problems a cleaner finds is just one of the

indicators. The more important indicator is how many problems it

*fixes* the right way.

In general, there are two different approaches to registry cleaning:

1) "Smart & safe"; and 2) "Bulk & Deep".

A good analogy would be house cleaning. Some people, in fact

most of us, accumulate a lot of paper on their desks. You can clean

your desk by going through every piece of paper, carefully

reviewing each document: credit card statements, important

notices, and newspaper articles. While doing that you put

important documents in the appropriate folders and get rid of the

junk. However, there are some documents you are not sure about.

You do additional work to determine if those documents are

important. This type of desk cleaning is smart & safe, which results

in a clean desk and organized folders. In addition, you know you

won't have problems in the future as you didn't throw away any

important documents. Similarly, a smart & safe registry cleaner

does the job the proper way - if it is not sure about the registry

record it doesn't discard it but works to find out if the record is

important. This cleaning results in a healthy registry, with less

errors and better computer performance.



Alternatively, while cleaning your desk you may keep only

important documents and get rid of the documents you are not sure

about along with the junk. This approach does not include

additional work to find out if the documents that you are not sure

about are important. Obviously, with this approach you will throw

away more documents but it might lead to losing important ones.

This method is called "bulk & deep" cleaning. Similarly, a "bulk &

deep" registry cleaner might show more problems and remove

good registry records.

In fact, some vendors report non-problems as problems to make

their product look better. They call "bulk" cleaning "deep"

cleaning. "Bulk & deep" cleaning that does a mediocre job cleaning

your registry and can lead to more problems and errors. An

example of a problem that can be created by "bulk" cleaning is

described by Microsoft at:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;299958




Myth 3: Full registry backup & restore is enough to keep you out of
trouble

Having full registry backup and restore is critical as it allows you to

bring the registry back to how it was at a certain point in time.

However, it is not enough to keep you out of trouble. You need

both full registry restore and undo registry changes. Let's say in a

day or a week after cleaning the registry on your PC you

experience a problem with one of your applications. You can use

the full registry backup to bring the registry back exactly to the

point in time when you created the full backup. However, you will

lose all the changes to the computer configuration you made after

that last backup. With *"undo registry changes"*, on the other hand,

you are able to reverse the problematic registry change without

affecting the other registry parts. You can fix the problem without

losing all the configuration changes made to your PC.

The rule of thumb is: use "full registry restore" for major disasters

and "undo registry changes" to fix specific problems.

Registry is the most sensitive part of your computer. The ability to

have both a full restore as well as selective undo is a must to keep

you out of trouble.

AMUSTSoftware - 4 Myths about Windows XP Registry Cleanup

Page 4

Myth 4: All the care your registry needs is cleaning and repairing

Your registry also needs compacting which reduces the registry

size and defragments it by removing the holes and empty spaces in

the registry tree.

Cleaning garbage from your registry makes it better since it

removes unused and incorrect data that causes registry pollution,

computer errors and a slowdown in performance. However, this is

not the only thing you need to always have your registry at its best.

Registry structure is such that when you remove unused and

incorrect data, holes are created in the registry tree. Your computer

uses registry to perform every operation. Having holes or empty

spaces in the registry tree slows down your computers performance

and might create operational errors. So, just like the

defragmentation of files compacting the registry removes holes and

fragments causing your computer to run smoother and faster. That

is why in addition to cleaning and repairing the registry must also

be compacted.




Bottom Line:

Registry is critical to the health and performance of your PC. Smart

& safe registry cleaning, repairing and compacting will help to

keep your PC healthy and fast.




Note:

Registry cleaning is just one of things you need to do to maintain

your Windows computer. You should follow other good practices

that include keeping your computer updated with the latest

Microsoft updates, using antivirus and antispyware, using

personal firewall, and regular disk cleaning and defragmentation.

© 2005, AMUST Software Ltd. www.amustsoft.com. All rights

reserved. AMUST Software logo is trademark of AMUST Software

Ltd. in the United States and other countries.


How so 'closed minds'?

That stuff ended with an ad for a registry cleaner which costs..


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VanguardLH

Twayne said:
Since there seems to be a healthy interest in the registry lately, I
though I'd offer this partial from a white paper I have. It's not
new, but it's still accurate and well worded, IMO. Applicable to all
windows except not sure of Vista or version 7 & 8, which seem to be
just more Vista.

N O T E : The closed minds and snake oil pundits are going to come
slithering out of their holes enmasse over this I imagined. I could
not care less and neither should you. Whether you agree or disagree
with this is no business of mine and your own perogative. My own
experience over more than a decade is fully positive and based on
experience and research, this is an informative, reasonably well
written article with a lot of good advice.
Note:

Registry cleaning is just one of things you need to do to maintain
your Windows computer. You should follow other good practices that
include keeping your computer updated with the latest Microsoft
updates, using antivirus and antispyware, using personal firewall,
and regular disk cleaning and defragmentation. © 2005, AMUST Software
Ltd. www.amustsoft.com. All rights reserved. AMUST Software logo is
trademark of AMUST Software Ltd. in the United States and other
countries.

So your entire post was merely spam for a commercialware product. You
probably should vacuum out your car once per month, too, but no one
bothers unless it gets bad. Miniscule cleanups done repeatedly only
incur a higher risk of screwing it up so bad that the user can no longer
boot Windows. Staid expertise encoded into a program cannot outdo the
expertise of someone familiar with the registry plus they do make wrong
decisions of what to delete. For example, often they will report that a
filetype is no longer defined for use by an application. That it is
defined is not the issue. An application doesn't actually have to
register itself to be associated with a filetype to use it and many
programs actually unroll or extract out other code from themself that
will use that filetype association. There are entries that a diagnostic
program doesn't need unless you boot Windows into that program's
diagnostic mode, so all those entries that look orphaned are not
orphaned under a different environment.

Registry cleaners are good tools in the hands of folks that already know
how to edit and maintain the registry. It is a facilitation utility.
However, no registry cleaner should ever be used that doesn't inform the
user of what are the proposed changes BEFORE making them. Many registry
cleaners hide the details so the user has no information on which to
base their decision to do the undisclosed changes. In the end, the USER
is the one making the changes. They can use a tool or do it manually.
I find it quite handy to do it manually because the cleanup after
uninstalling a program is minimal compared to running a registry cleaner
every month or so (depending on how much you install & uninstall). Only
the memory copy of the registry gets used so searching the binary tree
database in memory is very fast regardless of have dozens of megabytes
of stale or remnant entries in the registry.

Every purveyor of commercialware registry cleaners has their excuses as
to why their product is so crucial - because they obviously want your
money. The same for the memory defragmenter crap who always omit the
fact that memory is randomly accessed so fragmentation does nothing
regarding performance of randomly reading that randomly placed data. No
one needs to pay $30 for your spammed registry cleaner software. There
are plenty of freebie registry cleaners, including one from Comodo and
CCleaner is adequate.

Below is my canned response to your canned post.

Do you have a backup & restore plan in place? When (and not if) the
registry cleaner corrupts your registry and when you can no longer boot
into Windows, just how are you going to restore that OS partition so it
is usable again? Even if you use a registry cleaner that provides for
backups of its changes so you can revert back to the prior state, how
are you going to perform that restore if you cannot boot the OS after
hosing over its registry? What about entries in the registry that look
to be orphaned under the current OS load instance but are used under a
different OS environment? You delete what looks orphaned only to find
out that they are required under a different environment.

Say there was an unusually high amount of orphaned entries in your
registry, like 4MB. By deleting the orphaned entries, you would speed
up how long it takes Windows to load the registry's files when it starts
up - by all of maybe 1 second. Oooh, aaah. All that risk of modifying
the registry to save maybe a second, or less, during the Windows
startup. Most folks that clean the registry end up deleting only 10KB,
or less. They are doing nothing to improve their Windows load time.
Since the registry is only read from the memory copy of it, and since
memory is random access, there is no difference to read one byte of the
registry (in memory) from the another byte in the registry (also in
memory). The extra data in memory for orphaned entries has no effect on
the time to retrieve items from the memory copy of the registry.

Cleaning the registry will NOT improve performance in reading from the
memory copy of the registry. The reduced size of the registry's .dat
files might reduce the load time of Windows by all of a second and
probably much less. And you want to risk the stability of your OS for
inconsequential changes to its registry? The same boobs that get
suckered into these registry cleanup "tools" are the same ones that get
suckered into the memory defragment "tools".

A registry cleaner should only be used if you yourself can correctly
cleanup the registry. The cleaner is just a tool to automate the same
process but you should know every change that it intends to make and
understand each of those changes. After all, and regardless of the
stagnant expertise coded into the utility, *YOU* are the final authority
in what registry changes are performed whether you do it manually or
with a utility. If YOU do not understand the proposed change (which
requires the product actually divulge the proposed change before
committing that change), how will you know whether or not to allow that
change?
 
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ColTom2

Hi Mike:

I agree with you in that all he said led up to directing one to purchase a
paid product which he recommends.

While reading his lengthy email, which I must admit a lot that he said was
true, I kept wondering where he was headed. We found out.

He must be in advertising....

ColTom2
 
M

Mike Hall - MVP

ColTom2 said:
Hi Mike:

I agree with you in that all he said led up to directing one to purchase
a
paid product which he recommends.

While reading his lengthy email, which I must admit a lot that he said
was
true, I kept wondering where he was headed. We found out.

He must be in advertising....

ColTom2


The old MS Regclean only took the safest stuff out, and it did this to keep
the size of the registry down. Win 9x needed this.

The registry of the Win NT family does not have to be kept down. Orphaned
entries are ignored.

Registry cleaners set for safe use take out stuff which could be left in
without causing any ill effect. So why use them?

Many of the problems with registry cleaners start when the user steps beyond
the default safe settings. It is better to tell users not to run registry
cleaners than for them to find out the hard way what a registry cleaner can
do.

Any author of a registry cleaner is going to make claims for their product.
This one is no different. Will the author help the users whose systems are
hosed. Maybe, in that he/she will blame the user or Microsoft.


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T

Twayne

Hi Mike:
I agree with you in that all he said led up to directing one to
purchase a paid product which he recommends.

While reading his lengthy email, which I must admit a lot that he
said was true, I kept wondering where he was headed. We found out.

He must be in advertising....

ColTom2

Nope; just honest. Never used their product even. I could have weasled
and left that out, but it was part of the article, so it got left in.
Facts don't bother me; misinformation does.

Cheers,

Twayne
 
M

Mike Hall - MVP

Twayne said:
Nope; just honest. Never used their product even. I could have weasled
and left that out, but it was part of the article, so it got left in.
Facts don't bother me; misinformation does.

Cheers,

Twayne


So you choose to misinform by posting and ad?


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J

John John (MVP)

Twayne said:
Nope; just honest. Never used their product even. I could have weasled
and left that out, but it was part of the article, so it got left in.
Facts don't bother me; misinformation does.

If misinformation bothers you then why are you spreading it? You don't
need to clean the registry as you advocate in your advertisement.
 
T

Twayne

Twayne said:
So you choose to misinform by posting and ad?

Hey Mike H,
Nope; just giving information to combat the closed minds who spew the
misinformation about registry cleaners. And you even know that, but
still you choose to attempt to make an issue out of it anyway, where
there is no actual issue. Pretty unbecoming of an MVP (if you really
are one; but, it's too meaningless to bother checking, IMO). If I were
to bother checking I'd probably be wanting to report the inane,
socio-pathic and other violations of the "pledge" rules, which some
would really dislike. Unlike the closed minds, that article provides
links and further information for several things and is very close to my
own experience and knowledge of the issue, as I have already said.
I don't have to report misinformationists; they make themselves
pretty clear on their own.

BTW, got a grammar checker?
 
T

Twayne

Twayne said:
If misinformation bothers you then why are you spreading it? You
don't need to clean the registry as you advocate in your
advertisement.

Ha-aaa, like I said, they'd come crawling out from under their rocks.
Prove me wrong.

Twayne
 
J

John John (MVP)

Twayne said:
Ha-aaa, like I said, they'd come crawling out from under their rocks.
Prove me wrong.

You have been proven wrong over and over and over again but you still
spew your ignorant comments about. Using advertisement and spaming the
newsgroup to try to shore up your argument is about as low as it can get.
 
M

Mike Hall - MVP

John John (MVP) said:
You have been proven wrong over and over and over again but you still spew
your ignorant comments about. Using advertisement and spaming the
newsgroup to try to shore up your argument is about as low as it can get.


I think that we have a troll here..

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Mike Hall - MVP

Twayne said:
Hey Mike H,
Nope; just giving information to combat the closed minds who spew the
misinformation about registry cleaners. And you even know that, but still
you choose to attempt to make an issue out of it anyway, where there is no
actual issue. Pretty unbecoming of an MVP (if you really are one; but,
it's too meaningless to bother checking, IMO). If I were to bother
checking I'd probably be wanting to report the inane, socio-pathic and
other violations of the "pledge" rules, which some would really dislike.
Unlike the closed minds, that article provides links and further
information for several things and is very close to my own experience and
knowledge of the issue, as I have already said.
I don't have to report misinformationists; they make themselves pretty
clear on their own.

BTW, got a grammar checker?


No pledge rules in operation, but I have seen enough damage from registry
cleaners to advise against their use.

It is obvious now that you are trolling..


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Mike Hall - MVP
How to construct a good post..
http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc
Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
 
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occam

Don said:
It appeared that the link was part of the white paper Twayne quoted. It
shows repect for the author.

On the other hand, I noticed you listed three links; pot telling the kettle
it's black? An ad is an ad.

Not only that, one of Mike Hall's links is "How to construct a good post"

My idea of a good post is you snip everything unnecessary in the
original, and respond to the pertinent part. Mr Hall, take a bit of your
own medicine, and learn to trim your replies.
 
T

Twayne

Twayne said:
You have been proven wrong over and over and over again but you still
spew your ignorant comments about. Using advertisement and spaming
the newsgroup to try to shore up your argument is about as low as it
can get.

No one as yet has provided anything but opinons, and those come from
closed minds at that.

Prove me wrong. Go ahead; prove it.
 
T

Twayne

John John (MVP) said:
I think that we have a troll here..

Ahh, the typical response of one who doesn't know what to say. Prove me
wrong and I won't be able to say those things. Go ahead, prove registry
cleaners can not do anything good and that they are all snake oil. If
you've kept track, that's the start of these threads.

If you call the expression of opinions and supporting evidence trolling,
then so be it. That's how closed minds operate. If I'm wrong, prove
it. Prove registry cleaners are no good and are snake oil.
 
T

Twayne

Twayne said:
No pledge rules in operation, but I have seen enough damage from
registry cleaners to advise against their use.

It is obvious now that you are trolling..

Nope, education, which is something you don't seem to believe in. If
you have the proof that all registry cleaners are bad and they are all
snake oil, let's have it. That's what this is all about.
I"ve asked and asked for the information to back up why all registry
cleaners are snake oil and never had a single response to it, not even
one. Well, there was one, but it was based on ONE instance of use ONE
time on ONE machine; not very convincing of anything.
If you have good information that all registry cleaners are bad,
let's have it.
 
J

John John (MVP)

Twayne said:
No one as yet has provided anything but opinons, and those come from
closed minds at that.

Prove me wrong. Go ahead; prove it.

How about these archived Google discussions:

http://tinyurl.com/5zfevg
http://tinyurl.com/6elcdy
http://tinyurl.com/6dhtq8
http://tinyurl.com/5hmvrt
http://tinyurl.com/62p9n2
http://tinyurl.com/6mt37x

or these:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/951950
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888637

Of course in your usual dense blockhead manner you will brush those
proofs aside and still insist that everyone but you have closed minds
and that the ones who originally posted their problems are lying. We've
come to expect this from you. A short while ago I asked you to post
links and prove another one of your outlandish buffoonish claims and as
usual you couldn't provide anything. Now, as if you aren't enough of a
troll, you have sunk to new lows by resorting to spam to spread your
ignorant opinions.

John
 
J

John John (MVP)

Twayne said:
Ahh, the typical response of one who doesn't know what to say. Prove me
wrong and I won't be able to say those things. Go ahead, prove registry
cleaners can not do anything good and that they are all snake oil. If
you've kept track, that's the start of these threads.

If you call the expression of opinions and supporting evidence trolling,
then so be it. That's how closed minds operate. If I'm wrong, prove
it. Prove registry cleaners are no good and are snake oil.

You are a troll, you have never provided any supporting documents for
your claims and all you can do is provide SPAM in your feeble attempts
to support your opinions! Registry cleaners are nothing but snake oil
promoted by snakes in the grass!
 
M

Mike Hall - MVP

Twayne said:
Nope, education, which is something you don't seem to believe in. If you
have the proof that all registry cleaners are bad and they are all snake
oil, let's have it. That's what this is all about.
I"ve asked and asked for the information to back up why all registry
cleaners are snake oil and never had a single response to it, not even
one. Well, there was one, but it was based on ONE instance of use ONE
time on ONE machine; not very convincing of anything.
If you have good information that all registry cleaners are bad, let's
have it.


I have already told you.

MS Regclean kept the size of the Win 9x registry to a size where it would
not cause the OS to crash.

NT does not crash if the registry grows, and it ignores orphaned entries..

Registry cleaners which claim to fix registry problems more often than not
stop the OS working completely. One only has to look at posts re registry
cleaner use in these newsgroups.

Your 'education' is a regurgitation of a sales pitch used by authors of
registry cleaners. It proves nothing.

The burden of proof is on you. Find just one article where data shows that a
registry cleaner did anything more than remove stuff which could have been
left where it was, or completely stop an OS in its tracks if all functions
of the registry cleaner were brought into play..

My guess is that you have a vested interest in a registry cleaner..


--
Mike Hall - MVP
How to construct a good post..
http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc
Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
 

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