License key for home network

[Leythos]

Where does it say that?

With the above question you've entered true Troll status - your own
posting, item #2, clearly supports MS EULA position and completely
discredits your positions.

 

[Alias]

| Alias wrote:
|
| > I have yet to find one store in all of Spain that sells XP Pro
| > retail in Spanish and, well, I want it in English, so I went
| > to a store that carries OEMs in Spanish, English and German.
| Hi
|
| Here is a English reseller that ships to Spain (English retail
| versions):

So? That is in England, not Spain. Why would I want to pay extra for a
retail version? Besides, I am not in market to buy more because I have all I
need at the moment.

| Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition EUR 229.78 (approx.)
| http://www.softwarebuyer.co.uk/pd_windows_xp_home_edition.cfm

I can get it for 80.43 EUR Why would I want to pay more?

| Microsoft Windows XP Professional EUR 287.62 (approx.)
| http://www.softwarebuyer.co.uk/pd_windows.cfm

I can get it for 121.85 EUR. Why would I want to pay more?

I went to the page and the prices not only don't include shipping, I would
have to wait for it to arrive instead of waltzing down to the computer store
and getting it immediately. Sorry, but you are not being very convincing.
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[kurttrail]

With the above question you've entered true Troll status - your own
posting, item #2, clearly supports MS EULA position and completely
discredits your positions.

Your don't know what "OR" means do you?

1.) You can create another installation on a previously unknown
computer

OR

2.) You can make a copy for archival purposes.

It says nothing about about getting a license at all!

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[Torgeir Bakken \(MVP\)]

So? That is in England, not Spain. Why would I want to pay extra for a
retail version? Besides, I am not in market to buy more because I have all I
need at the moment.


I can get it for 80.43 EUR Why would I want to pay more?


I can get it for 121.85 EUR. Why would I want to pay more?

I went to the page and the prices not only don't include shipping, I would
have to wait for it to arrive instead of waltzing down to the computer store
and getting it immediately. Sorry, but you are not being very convincing.

Hi

It was nothing more than an example on WinXP retail prices available
to you (as you mentioned that you had found Win XP Home retail for
293.55 EUR, here you could get Pro for less than that), but I agree,
it is not very convincing, and it wasn't supposed to be either ;-)

 

[Leythos XP]

Your don't know what "OR" means do you?

1.) You can create another installation on a previously unknown
computer

OR

2.) You can make a copy for archival purposes.

It says nothing about about getting a license at all!

Couldn't weasle you way out of this, so you ran away! I Love it!

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[Plato]

I suppose if I can afford 10 cars I only need to buy one license plate
that I will use for all 10 cars? What's the difference?

When it comes down to brass tacks, software authors can say/dictate
whatever they want to in the EULA. One can read all kinds of odd
things/requirements/agreements. For example freeware/shareware, some say
you can redistribute, some say no you have to provide a link back the
the authors website. Some say free for home use but pay for office use.
Some say pay $19 per individual office pc, some say pay $19 once for an
unlimited number of computers. Some say to continue using you MUST send
a postcard. etc.

It's endless and totally up to the author what they "require".

One can say that having to pay for multiple copies/keys for/of XP is a
financial burden.
Personally, I'd consider anyone lucky who can afford to operate multiple
pcs in the home. Stop complaining and count your blessings. Heck, if you
have more than one car you have to pay for gas for each one to make it
work. If you can afford 2 cars then you are assuming the cost of running
and maintaining each one.

 

[Plato]

A licence plate plays the Windows wav file when you start your engine?
Apples/Oranges. Now, can you answer the question rationally?

My daughters car didn't start the other day. I had to pull out the plug
to the computer to force it to "reboot"

 

[Plato]

Well when hamburgers become copyrighted material, you can make your own
backup for those times when you need an extra one.

Seems one can only rent a burger. The next day I'm hungry all over again
and have to pay again. Same problem with beer I might add.

 

[Plato]

And what, pray tell, does that have to do with now or with whether or not it
is legal for me to buy OEM versions of XP and install them on the whatever
computer the mood strikes me to install them on? The USA is genocidal NOW
what with Bush dropping WMDs on the heads of innocent Iraqi citizens with
Australia's (your country) blessings. Australia's history with the
aborigines isn't exactly the tale of a nice walk in the park, hand in hand.

Whoever has the biggest guns wins. Same ol same ol.

20,000 years ago it was whoever had the best stick. Then a stick with a
rock attached. Then a stick with the sharpest rock attached. Humans
haven't advanced that far.

 

[kurttrail]

Seems one can only rent a burger. The next day I'm hungry all over
again and have to pay again. Same problem with beer I might add.

Start coding the virtual beer, but don't expect to market it as "Less
Filling." ;-)

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[David Candy]

Our buses need rebooting. The door stops working, driver turns off then on the engine and power and door (or ticketing or air conditioning) start working again.

Nothing is more fustrating than being on a bus while it reboots.

While trains - they built some over engineered trains. It is so integrated that it doesn't work. The next set of trains will be simple. After all the air conditioning doesn't have to be integrated with the brakes. Older trains can do air conditioning AND braking without any computers.

 

[NobodyMan]

| On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:09:58 +0100, "Alias"
|
| >
| >| >| =?Utf-8?B?cXVhZGQ=?= wrote:
| >| >
| >| > break. Two licenses for a home network of two machines. Is this the
| >only
| >| > way that I can have XP on both machines?
| >|
| >| If you can afford two pcs than you can afford to pay for your OSs.
| >
| >Perhaps he can afford 100 OSs but that doesn't make it right for MS to
| >insist on buying something twice.
|
| I suppose if I can afford 10 cars I only need to buy one license plate
| that I will use for all 10 cars? What's the difference?

A licence plate plays the Windows wav file when you start your engine?
Apples/Oranges. Now, can you answer the question rationally?

Computers = Cars.
License plate = license to operate Windows

It's not a perfect analogy, but close enough. If you don't like the
Microsoft plan and EULA, then don't buy Windows. Go elsewhere. It's
really that simple.

 

[NobodyMan]

Well when hamburgers become copyrighted material, you can make your own
backup for those times when you need an extra one.

You digress from the subject at hand. Nobody is saying it's not legal
or against the EULA to "make your own backup for those time when you
need an extra one." That's prudent and good thinking. As far as MS
is concerned, you can create 100 backup CDs of your XP OS install
disc.

What you CAN'T do is install the OS more than once per license key.
That is what violates the EULA. As I said before, if you don't like
it, dont buy Windows - go elsewhere. If enough folks do that, then MS
will be forced to change it's policies.

Don't count on that happening though. Windows is currently the OS of
choice for a very large percentage of the computing world.

 

[kurttrail]

You digress from the subject at hand.

No. I have the ability to joke around.

Nobody is saying it's not legal
or against the EULA to "make your own backup for those time when you
need an extra one." That's prudent and good thinking. As far as MS
is concerned, you can create 100 backup CDs of your XP OS install
disc.

I store my back up on my backup computer.

What you CAN'T do is install the OS more than once per license key.
That is what violates the EULA.

SCO claims that IBM violated the UNIX licence. Has IBM actually
violated it, just because SCO claims that IBM has?

If so, why have a trial then?

As I said before, if you don't like
it, dont buy Windows - go elsewhere. If enough folks do that, then MS
will be forced to change it's policies.

Don't count on that happening though. Windows is currently the OS of
choice for a very large percentage of the computing world.

And MS is a proven predatory monopoly, and copyright and patent
infringer in the process, but not ONE individual has ever been legally
proven to have violated MS's EULA for installing Windows on more than
one computer for non-commercial use in the privacy of their own home.

So you and MS can CLAIM that it is a violation of the EULA until you are
blue in the face, but that does not make your claim legally true! All
it is, is an unsubstantiated claim!

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[Bruce Chambers]

Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 117
<http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/117.html>. - Limitations on
exclusive rights: Computer programs

(a) Making of Additional Copy or *Adaptation*
<http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?search=adaptation>
by Owner of Copy. - Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is
not an infringement for the owner of a copy of a computer program to
make or authorize the making of another copy or *adaptation*
<http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?search=adaptation>
of that computer program provided:

(1) that such a new copy or *adaptation*
<http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?search=adaptation>
is *created*
<http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?search=created>
as an *essential*
<http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?search=essential>
step in the *utilization*
<http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?search=utilize>
of the computer program *in conjunction with*
<http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?search=conjunction>
*a*
<http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861582871>
machine and that it is used in no other manner, *or*
<http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?search=or>

(2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and
that all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued
possession of the computer program should cease to be rightful.

The following is a translation of Section 117 (a) from the legalese
using MS's own definitions:

Title 17 Chapter 1 Section 117. - Limitations on the exclusive rights of
Copyright Owners: Computer programs

(a) Making of Additional *Installation*
<http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?search=adaptation>
by the Owner of a Copy of Software. - It is not infringement for the
owner of a copy of software to make another *installation*
<http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?search=adaptation>
provided:

(1) that such a new *installation*
<http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?search=adaptation>
is *made*
<http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?search=created>
as a *necessary*
<http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?search=essential>
step in *making use*
<http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?search=utilize> of
the software *together with*
<http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?search=conjunction>
*a previously unknown*
<http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861582871>
computer and that it is used in no other manner, OR
<http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?search=or>

"(2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and
that all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued
possession of the computer program should cease to be rightful"

What words mean does matter! Only a total buffoon would even try to
argue otherwise!

MS has yet to legally prove they have the right to enforce their One
Computer nonsense in the privacy of any individual's home in a real
court of law. Until there is some definitive legal precedent or law
that clears this all up, one way or another, shouldn't each individual
decide for themselves what they can and can not do with the copy of
retail software that was legally SOLD to them by the retailer. Who is
the master of what you can and can't do in the privacy of your own home,
YOU or Microsoft? Until there is a law or legal precedent that tells
you that the copyright owner rules in your home, shouldn't YOU be the
master in YOUR own home? So that is YOUR choice, until the Government
says otherwise. Who is the king of YOUR castle, Microsoft or YOU? Only
YOU can decide that for YOURSELF!

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[kurttrail]

Thanks for you letting me know you read it and have no reply.

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[Bruce Chambers]

Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 117
<http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/117.html>. - Limitations on
exclusive rights: Computer programs

Deliberately misquoting the law and implying that definitions taken
from any source other than that used by the law's author's is a really
pathetic attempt. No definitions other than those intended by the laws
authors, or those later enacted by a court of law have any bearing.
Give up the smoke and mirrors. It's obvious that you realize that the
law, as written, does not support your claims, so you have to distort
it. Is it very lonely in your little fantasy world, or do you have some
imaginary friends to keep you company.

What words mean does matter! Only a total buffoon would even try to
argue otherwise!

Don't be so hard on yourself.




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[kurttrail]

Deliberately misquoting the law and implying that definitions taken
from any source other than that used by the law's author's is a really
pathetic attempt. No definitions other than those intended by the
laws authors, or those later enacted by a court of law have any
bearing. Give up the smoke and mirrors. It's obvious that you
realize that the law, as written, does not support your claims, so
you have to distort it. Is it very lonely in your little fantasy
world, or do you have some imaginary friends to keep you company.

Do you know what dictionary the authors used?

And I don't misquote it. I show the exact quote, then I show what I
believe it means, using MS's own definitions of those words. I'd be
glad to use the dictionary the authors used if you know which one! MS's
dictionary can't be too different than that, unless you are saying that
Encarta isn't a valid reference.

Don't be so hard on yourself.

LOL! Another well known USENET trick. Cut up a persons post.

I'm the one that is willing to interpret the law and show references to
how I came to it.

I notice you don't specifically dispute anything in my interpretation of
the law, only generally dismissed it as "smoke and mirrors."

Let's see you interpret it, with accompanying definitions, Brucey! Do
you have the balls to put YOUR interpretation to the test?!

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[Bruce Chambers]

Let's see you interpret it, with accompanying definitions, Brucey! Do
you have the balls to put YOUR interpretation to the test?!

It's plain English. No further "interpretation" is required, unless
there's a need to distort the clear meaning of the words, which I don't
need to do.


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[kurttrail]

It's plain English. No further "interpretation" is required, unless
there's a need to distort the clear meaning of the words, which I
don't need to do.

In other words you can't explain why you think Title 17, Chapter 1,
Section 117 makes it a violation to install the same copy of software on
more than one computer. You see, you don't understand it and that why
you don't bother to explain yourself, because Section 117 is a
limitation on the rights of the software copyright owner, not a
limitation on the rights of the owner of a copy of software.

Glad we cleared that up!

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