Intel Prescott CPU's and Service Pack 2

[NBK]

I heard that there were problems with Intel Prescott CPU's and Service
Pack 2. Is this true? I am thinking about buying a Prescott.

Thanks
NBK

 

[Will Denny]

Hi

Yes there are problems with the Prescott ATM. Have a look here:

http://forum.aumha.org/viewtopic.php?t=7447

 

[Jim Byrd]

Hi NBK - See here for what we know at this point:
http://forum.aumha.org/viewtopic.php?t=7447

--
Please respond in the same thread.
Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP



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[root]

I heard that there were problems with Intel Prescott CPU's and Service
Pack 2. Is this true? I am thinking about buying a Prescott.

SP2 + Intel 865/875 chipset + Prescott is the claim. There has been much
going around about this but no one has posted anything definitive. There
are some claims that a Prescott ready mobo BIOS is all that is needed to
solve the issue.

 

[root]

Hi NBK - See here for what we know at this point:
http://forum.aumha.org/viewtopic.php?t=7447

That thread contains almost nothing. It does contain meaningless list of
mobos without revision level nor BIOS version.

 

[Harry Ohrn]

|
| | > Hi NBK - See here for what we know at this point:
| > http://forum.aumha.org/viewtopic.php?t=7447
|
| That thread contains almost nothing. It does contain meaningless list of
| mobos without revision level nor BIOS version.
|

What I read at the forum suggests that if one has a Prescott processor, and
after updating to SP2 and finding you can't boot, you should disable the
L1/L2 cache which should enable you to boot to Windows. However without the
L1/L2 cache Windows will run at a snail's pace so you should remove SP2. You
can then re-enable your L1/L2 cache in the BIOS and run your system normally
with SP1. When a BIOS update comes out for your motherboard apply that so
you can install SP2 successfully. The list of motherboards show boards that
are currently experiencing problems with SP2. If you have one of these
boards check the manufacturer's site for a BIOS Update.

 

[Will Denny]

That thread contains almost nothing. It does contain meaningless list of
mobos without revision level nor BIOS version.

Go read it properly!!

 

[root]

|
| | > Hi NBK - See here for what we know at this point:
| > http://forum.aumha.org/viewtopic.php?t=7447
|
| That thread contains almost nothing. It does contain meaningless list of
| mobos without revision level nor BIOS version.
|

What I read at the forum suggests that if one has a Prescott processor, and
after updating to SP2 and finding you can't boot, you should disable the
L1/L2 cache which should enable you to boot to Windows. However without the
L1/L2 cache Windows will run at a snail's pace so you should remove SP2. You
can then re-enable your L1/L2 cache in the BIOS and run your system normally
with SP1. When a BIOS update comes out for your motherboard apply that so
you can install SP2 successfully.

Yes, it says that.

There is also a series of claims including some by "Cari MVP" that the
latest mobo BIOS does NOT fix the issue on some/all? the 865/875 mobos. One
suggestion I saw somewhere is that a mobo BIOS fix CAN'T completely resolve
the issue.

There is also a claim somewhere in all this that the Prescott has some
general power incompatibility with ALL 875/865 chipset mobos.

Separating fact from fantasy is very difficult here. Nobody credible has
stepped up to shed to clear professional light on the issue.

The only thing certain at this point is that some folks with some brand
mobos using Intel 865 or 875 chipsets have difficulty rebooting after SP2
install.

The list of motherboards show boards that
are currently experiencing problems with SP2.

That list lacks HW rev numbers and mobo BIOS level which makes the list next
to meaningless.

If you have one of these
boards check the manufacturer's site for a BIOS Update.

AND if you had the problem and DO have the latest( including latest beta)
mobo BIOS then please come back here and tell us all the details.

If you have the SP2 install problem and flashing a more recent mobo BIOS
FIXED the SP2 install issue THEN please come back here and post all the
details.

If you have the SP2 install problem and flashing the most recent(including
beta) mobo BIOS did NOT fix the SP2 install issue THEN please come back here
and post all the details.

 

[Cari \(MS MVP\)]

I can tell you because I've just heard that the MS Dev Team AND the Intel
reps are working on this as I type. I know no more than that so don't
bother asking.

 

[root]

Go read it properly!!

I have many times. You go read it. Do see see any HW rev. levels(the
numbers)? Do you see any BIOS versions(the numbers)?
NO.....meaningless...understand.

 

[Harry Ohrn]

|
| | > | > |
| > | | > | > Hi NBK - See here for what we know at this point:
| > | > http://forum.aumha.org/viewtopic.php?t=7447
| > |
| > | That thread contains almost nothing. It does contain meaningless list
| of
| > | mobos without revision level nor BIOS version.
| > |
| >
| > What I read at the forum suggests that if one has a Prescott processor,
| and
| > after updating to SP2 and finding you can't boot, you should disable the
| > L1/L2 cache which should enable you to boot to Windows. However without
| the
| > L1/L2 cache Windows will run at a snail's pace so you should remove SP2.
| You
| > can then re-enable your L1/L2 cache in the BIOS and run your system
| normally
| > with SP1. When a BIOS update comes out for your motherboard apply that
so
| > you can install SP2 successfully.
|
| Yes, it says that.
|
| There is also a series of claims including some by "Cari MVP" that the
| latest mobo BIOS does NOT fix the issue on some/all? the 865/875 mobos.
One
| suggestion I saw somewhere is that a mobo BIOS fix CAN'T completely
resolve
| the issue.
|
| There is also a claim somewhere in all this that the Prescott has some
| general power incompatibility with ALL 875/865 chipset mobos.
|
| Separating fact from fantasy is very difficult here. Nobody credible has
| stepped up to shed to clear professional light on the issue.
|
| The only thing certain at this point is that some folks with some brand
| mobos using Intel 865 or 875 chipsets have difficulty rebooting after SP2
| install.
|
| > The list of motherboards show boards that
| > are currently experiencing problems with SP2.
|
| That list lacks HW rev numbers and mobo BIOS level which makes the list
next
| to meaningless.
|
| > If you have one of these
| > boards check the manufacturer's site for a BIOS Update.
|
| AND if you had the problem and DO have the latest( including latest beta)
| mobo BIOS then please come back here and tell us all the details.
|
| If you have the SP2 install problem and flashing a more recent mobo BIOS
| FIXED the SP2 install issue THEN please come back here and post all the
| details.
|
| If you have the SP2 install problem and flashing the most recent(including
| beta) mobo BIOS did NOT fix the SP2 install issue THEN please come back
here
| and post all the details.
|

I do not find the information upsetting at all. I have one of the mobo's
listed and I apply SP2 and I have trouble booting I will follow the
suggestion here http://forum.aumha.org/viewtopic.php?t=7447 to see if that
fixes the problem. It is a simple BIOS setting change and if it works to get
my out of SP2 and my system running again fine. Then I would also visit the
mobo manufacture's site and see if they have BIOS update that addresses the
issue.

BTW your sprinkling of capitalization to emphasize your point does not fall
upon deaf ears.

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]

 

[root]

I can tell you because I've just heard that the MS Dev Team AND the Intel
reps are working on this as I type. I know no more than that so don't
bother asking.

Yes, and please also refrain from telling us what you don't know and don't
tell us that which you aren't certain of.

 

[J_Seagull]

I can give you something definitive to work on. I'm running the Gigabyte
GA8KNXP with BIOS F10 (the latest), and when I install a slipstreamed
SP2 and XP Pro, the PC will not shutdown because XP didn't recognize
the board as being ACPI compliant (or something like that). So, I have
to hit F5 when it says F6 at setup, scroll down and select ACPI (3rd from
the top of the list), hit enter and start pounding on F6 to try to install my
Intel Raid drivers from a floppy before setup continues, or it won't see
the SATA drive. It's not a Prescott, just 2.4 gigs, but is HT and 800
FSB, etc. Never had that problem with SP1 and numerous clean installs,
so I concluded that SP-2 is not compatible with this very popular mobo.
But who knows, I've been wrong before :-(

 

[Jim Byrd]

Hi Root - The purpose of these particular newsgroups is to provide
peer-to-peer support for issues relating to Microsoft products, and of this
one, to XP in particular. Cari has notably met the obligations she assumed
by becoming an MVP in recognizing a problem that apparently exists related
to the SP2 update to hopefully prevent affected folks from doing the
install, identifying the(a) probable cause, finding an interim workaround to
help those that may have done the failing install already, and notifying MS
with sufficient data that the issue has already been escalated to priority
levels at both MS and Intel to develop a solution. Intel has already made a
preliminary response (and no, I won't post it here because it is
preliminary, and because it was addressed to Cari, not to me). If you can
contribute usefully and positively in any of these areas, I would request
that you do so; I personally view your responses to date as markedly
unhelpful to anyone, and I'd like to see that change.

--
Please respond in the same thread.
Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP



In

 

[root]

Hi Root - The purpose of these particular newsgroups is to provide
peer-to-peer support for issues relating to Microsoft products, and of this
one, to XP in particular.

I've been doing just that. Anyone can follow my posts to this and the
865/875 thread and see that for themselves.

Cari has notably met the obligations

That's false.

she assumed
by becoming an MVP in recognizing a problem that apparently exists related
to the SP2 update to hopefully prevent affected folks from doing the
install, identifying the(a) probable cause, finding an interim workaround

She has provided NO interim workaround but I and others have suggested a
possibility. Cari on the otherhand has not answered queries to her as to
what exactly fails and what exactly works. Read the threads fo yourself.

to
help those that may have done the failing install already, and notifying MS
with sufficient data that the issue has already been escalated to priority
levels at both MS and Intel to develop a solution. Intel has already made a
preliminary response (and no, I won't post it here because it is
preliminary, and because it was addressed to Cari, not to me).

There's something wrong with that story to the extent that the issue was
KNOWN in June and reported under RC2.

If you can
contribute usefully and positively in any of these areas, I would request
that you do so;

I have been. Read this and the 865/875 thread for yourself.

I personally view your responses to date as markedly
unhelpful to anyone, and I'd like to see that change.

Then I guess that tell us all about your character as my posts in these
threads stand for themselves.

Now to summarize what I've already posted today that's important to this
issue:

There is a series of claims including some by "Cari MVP" that the
latest mobo BIOS does NOT fix the issue on some/all? the 865/875 mobos. One
suggestion I saw somewhere is that a mobo BIOS fix CAN'T completely resolve
the issue.

There is also a claim somewhere in all this that the Prescott has some
general power incompatibility with ALL 875/865 chipset mobos.

Separating fact from fantasy is very difficult here. Nobody credible has
stepped up to shed to clear professional light on the issue.

The only thing certain at this point is that some folks with some brand
mobos using Intel 865 or 875 chipsets have difficulty rebooting after SP2
install.

The list of motherboards show boards that
are currently experiencing problems with SP2.

That list lacks HW rev numbers and mobo BIOS level which makes the list next
to meaningless.

If you have one of these
boards check the manufacturer's site for a BIOS Update.

AND if you had the problem and DO have the latest( including latest beta)
mobo BIOS then please come back here and tell us all the details.

If you have the SP2 install problem and flashing a more recent mobo BIOS
FIXED the SP2 install issue THEN please come back here and post all the
details.

If you have the SP2 install problem and flashing the most recent(including
beta) mobo BIOS did NOT fix the SP2 install issue THEN please come back here
and post all the details.

Let's start collecting some real facts about this issue including the
earlier reports back in June on RC2.

 

[Cari \(MS MVP\)]

I have the fix and am waiting for approval on the wording before I can post
it.

 

[root]

I have the fix and am waiting for approval on the wording before I can post
it.

VERY COOL!

 

[J_Seagull]

I wonder if that will fix my ACPI problem? I'm the original poster.
(Roger_Over)

 

[J_Seagull]

Thanks Cari for the info.

I wonder if that will fix my ACPI problem? I'm the original poster.
(Roger_Over)

 

[root]

I wonder if that will fix my ACPI problem? I'm the original poster.

You're not the OP but merely started a new issue in an existant thread.

Check your exact model mobo at the Gigabyte site again as there's an 8/11/04
BIOS out. Is that the one you have? The BIOS level depends on which model
mobo you have exactly and you didn't specify. Did you possibly flash the
wrong BIOS?