Intel Pentium 4 Prescott and xp sp2

K

k3pi

Hi,

I was researching potential problems for xp sp2 and saw that it can be
real nasty with the Intel P4 Prescott.

I think I have one.,,,I understand the 3.00E means its a Prescott. I
am including the specs of my processor, etc below. I read somewhere
that a Revision of 8 or less is a problem. However, mine is B?

Can you experts look at the specs below and let me know if this is
going to a problem with xp sp2?

What can I do in advance to ensure I don't have a problem?

Many thanks
Russ



Intel(R) Processor Identification Utility
Version: 3.1.20060901
Time Stamp: 2006/10/08 04:06:20
Number of processors in system: 1
Current processor: #1
Processor Name: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00E GHz
Type: 0
Family: F
Model: 3
Stepping: 3
Revision: B
L1 Trace Cache: 12 Kµops
L1 Data Cache: 16 KB
L2 Cache: 1 MB
Packaging: FC-PGA2
Platform Compatibility Guide: 04A
EIST: No
MMX(TM): Yes
SIMD: Yes
SIMD2: Yes
SIMD3: Yes
Enhanced Halt State: No
Execute Disable Bit: No
Hyper-Threading Technology: Yes
Intel(R) Extended Memory 64 Technology: No
Intel(R) Virtualization Technology: No
Expected Processor Frequency: 3.0 GHz
Reported Processor Frequency: 3.0 GHz
Expected System Bus Frequency: 800 MHz
Reported System Bus Frequency: 800 MHz



Board: Intel Corporation D865GLC AAC28906-408
Serial Number: CGLC41901769
Bus Clock: 200 megahertz
BIOS: Intel Corp. BF86510A.86A.0060.P16.0404121116 04/12/2004
*************************************************************
 
B

Brian A

If you're not having any problems then you shouldn't have a need to worry about it.
IIRC the Prescott issues had to do with the L2 Cache. To see what's really installed
use:
Everest Home Edition(Free):
http://www.majorgeeks.com/downloads9.html

http://basconotw.mvps.org/dwnlds.htm

--

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Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

Hi,

I was researching potential problems for xp sp2 and saw that it can be
real nasty with the Intel P4 Prescott.

I think I have one.,,,I understand the 3.00E means its a Prescott. I
am including the specs of my processor, etc below. I read somewhere
that a Revision of 8 or less is a problem. However, mine is B?

Can you experts look at the specs below and let me know if this is
going to a problem with xp sp2?

What can I do in advance to ensure I don't have a problem?

Many thanks
Russ



Intel(R) Processor Identification Utility
Version: 3.1.20060901
Time Stamp: 2006/10/08 04:06:20
Number of processors in system: 1
Current processor: #1
Processor Name: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00E GHz
Type: 0
Family: F
Model: 3
Stepping: 3
Revision: B
L1 Trace Cache: 12 Kµops
L1 Data Cache: 16 KB
L2 Cache: 1 MB
Packaging: FC-PGA2
Platform Compatibility Guide: 04A
EIST: No
MMX(TM): Yes
SIMD: Yes
SIMD2: Yes
SIMD3: Yes
Enhanced Halt State: No
Execute Disable Bit: No
Hyper-Threading Technology: Yes
Intel(R) Extended Memory 64 Technology: No
Intel(R) Virtualization Technology: No
Expected Processor Frequency: 3.0 GHz
Reported Processor Frequency: 3.0 GHz
Expected System Bus Frequency: 800 MHz
Reported System Bus Frequency: 800 MHz



Board: Intel Corporation D865GLC AAC28906-408
Serial Number: CGLC41901769
Bus Clock: 200 megahertz
BIOS: Intel Corp. BF86510A.86A.0060.P16.0404121116 04/12/2004
*************************************************************
 
P

Pennywise

Hi,

I was researching potential problems for xp sp2 and saw that it can be
real nasty with the Intel P4 Prescott.

I think I have one.,,,I understand the 3.00E means its a Prescott. I
am including the specs of my processor, etc below. I read somewhere
that a Revision of 8 or less is a problem. However, mine is B?

Can you experts look at the specs below and let me know if this is
going to a problem with xp sp2?
Click to expand...

No expert, I just run this chip and SP2 with no problems at all. (well
DEP catches some wild legit stuff)

My CPU (second half of everest output)

Intel Pentium 4 530J, 3000 MHz (15 x 200)
Prescott
E0
x86, MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3
3000 MHz
14x / 15x
12K Instructions
16 KB
1 MB (On-Die, ECC, ATC, Full-Speed)

(HT so two listings here)
Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz, 3000 MHz
Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz, 3000 MHz


Intel Corporation
http://www.intel.com/products/browse/processor.htm
 
K

k3pi

Hi Brian,

Thanks for reply. I am still on SP1 so, I don't know if I will have a
problem after installing SP2. That is what my current concern is.

Will the Everest tool you reference give me more info about the
processor than the Intel tool that I used to provide the specs in the
original post?

Thanks

Russ
 
A

antioch

Like pennywise, had this ident. Prescott for 18 months with XP SP2.
It sat on an Msi mobo. No conflict at all.
Though true to form, it did run a bit on the 'warm' side. But with the Msi
Cat running to monitor the heat all was OK + one or two extra fans :).
I have not heard of any family in the 5XXs causing any probs with XP.
Ask Intel if you are that concerned - they give good help.
Rgds
Antioch


Hi,

I was researching potential problems for xp sp2 and saw that it can be
real nasty with the Intel P4 Prescott.

I think I have one.,,,I understand the 3.00E means its a Prescott. I
am including the specs of my processor, etc below. I read somewhere
that a Revision of 8 or less is a problem. However, mine is B?

Can you experts look at the specs below and let me know if this is
going to a problem with xp sp2?

What can I do in advance to ensure I don't have a problem?

Many thanks
Russ



Intel(R) Processor Identification Utility
Version: 3.1.20060901
Time Stamp: 2006/10/08 04:06:20
Number of processors in system: 1
Current processor: #1
Processor Name: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00E GHz
Type: 0
Family: F
Model: 3
Stepping: 3
Revision: B
L1 Trace Cache: 12 Kµops
L1 Data Cache: 16 KB
L2 Cache: 1 MB
Packaging: FC-PGA2
Platform Compatibility Guide: 04A
EIST: No
MMX(TM): Yes
SIMD: Yes
SIMD2: Yes
SIMD3: Yes
Enhanced Halt State: No
Execute Disable Bit: No
Hyper-Threading Technology: Yes
Intel(R) Extended Memory 64 Technology: No
Intel(R) Virtualization Technology: No
Expected Processor Frequency: 3.0 GHz
Reported Processor Frequency: 3.0 GHz
Expected System Bus Frequency: 800 MHz
Reported System Bus Frequency: 800 MHz



Board: Intel Corporation D865GLC AAC28906-408
Serial Number: CGLC41901769
Bus Clock: 200 megahertz
BIOS: Intel Corp. BF86510A.86A.0060.P16.0404121116 04/12/2004
*************************************************************
 
A

antioch

Hi Brian,

Thanks for reply. I am still on SP1 so, I don't know if I will have a
problem after installing SP2. That is what my current concern is.

Will the Everest tool you reference give me more info about the
processor than the Intel tool that I used to provide the specs in the
original post?

Thanks

Russ
Click to expand...

Russ,
You know that SP1 support finishes on the 10th - might I suggest you go to
the windowsupdate group if you have any problems with the download, and in
fact to look through some of the threads involving this upgrade. There have
been quite a few problems with this. They are not all common ones either
and solutions seem to vary from one poster to another.
I wish you every success with this upgrade.
Rgds
Antioch
PS
Have you sent off for your SP2 free CD?
 
K

k3pi

Hi Antioch,

Thanks for your replies.

When I realized SP1 support ended on Oct 10, I started to research how
to update with SP2. As I was researching, I learned that the Pentium 4
- Prescott can have a rather major conflict with SP2 (won't restart
after installation).

So I got the Intel idenificatin tool to try and figure out if I had one
of the "problem" processors.

I think I do, but I wasn't 100% sure so I put the specs on this thread
to see if anyone else with more knowledge could confirm whether or not
I do.

It seems to be a combination of what processor it is, revision number,
BIOS, etc.

Then I was hoping someone might have some advice on what to do if I did
have a Prescott P4 that was likely to conflict with SP2. I am afraid
to just try the upgrade as I don't think I have the technical skills to
deal with problem that it may create. As you can already tell, I don't
have a lot of computer know-how.

I will certainly go into the windowsupdate group and contact Intel as
another poster suggested.

BTW, I was going to do the SP2 upgrade by download vs. CD.

Thanks
Russ
 
K

k3pi

Hi Antioch,

Thanks for your replies.

When I realized SP1 support ended on Oct 10, I started to research how
to update with SP2. As I was researching, I learned that the Pentium 4
- Prescott can have a rather major conflict with SP2 (won't restart
after installation).

So I got the Intel idenificatin tool to try and figure out if I had one
of the "problem" processors.

I think I do, but I wasn't 100% sure so I put the specs on this thread
to see if anyone else with more knowledge could confirm whether or not
I do.

It seems to be a combination of what processor it is, revision number,
BIOS, etc.

Then I was hoping someone might have some advice on what to do if I did
have a Prescott P4 that was likely to conflict with SP2. I am afraid
to just try the upgrade as I don't think I have the technical skills to
deal with problem that it may create. As you can already tell, I don't
have a lot of computer know-how.

I will certainly go into the windowsupdate group and contact Intel as
another poster suggested.

BTW, I was going to do the SP2 upgrade by download vs. CD.

Thanks
Russ
 
K

k3pi

Hi Antioch,

Thanks for your replies.

When I realized SP1 support ended on Oct 10, I started to research how
to update with SP2. As I was researching, I learned that the Pentium 4
- Prescott can have a rather major conflict with SP2 (won't restart
after installation).

So I got the Intel idenificatin tool to try and figure out if I had one
of the "problem" processors.

I think I do, but I wasn't 100% sure so I put the specs on this thread
to see if anyone else with more knowledge could confirm whether or not
I do.

It seems to be a combination of what processor it is, revision number,
BIOS, etc.

Then I was hoping someone might have some advice on what to do if I did
have a Prescott P4 that was likely to conflict with SP2. I am afraid
to just try the upgrade as I don't think I have the technical skills to
deal with problem that it may create. As you can already tell, I don't
have a lot of computer know-how.

I will certainly go into the windowsupdate group and contact Intel as
another poster suggested.

BTW, I was going to do the SP2 upgrade by download vs. CD.

Thanks
Russ
 
K

Kerry Brown

As long as you have the latest BIOS for your motherboard you will be OK. The
BIOS updates the CPU microcode. A quick search of the Intel site shows you
have the latest BIOS. Installing SP2 or any service pack may cause problems.
Make sure you have a verified backup before starting.
 
B

Brian A

Hi Brian,

Thanks for reply. I am still on SP1 so, I don't know if I will have a
problem after installing SP2. That is what my current concern is.

Will the Everest tool you reference give me more info about the
processor than the Intel tool that I used to provide the specs in the
original post?
Click to expand...

It will give you the make/model and much more.

Here's info on one of my CPU's:
Field Value
CPU Properties
CPU Type Intel Pentium 4, 2400 MHz (12 x 200)
CPU Alias Northwood HyperThreading
CPU Stepping M0
Instruction Set x86, MMX, SSE, SSE2
Original Clock 2400 MHz
Min / Max CPU Multiplier 12x / 12x
Engineering Sample No
L1 Trace Cache 12K Instructions
L1 Data Cache 8 KB
L2 Cache 512 KB (On-Die, ECC, ATC, Full-Speed)

Multi CPU
Motherboard ID Springdale-G
CPU #0 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz, 2394 MHz
CPU #1 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz, 2394 MHz

CPU Physical Info
Package Type 478 Pin uPGA
Package Size 3.50 cm x 3.50 cm
Transistors 55 million
Process Technology 6M, 0.13 um, CMOS, Cu, Low-K
Die Size 146 / 131 mm2
Core Voltage 1.475 - 1.55 V
I/O Voltage 1.475 - 1.55 V
Typical Power 38.7 - 89.0 W (depending on clock speed)
Maximum Power 49 - 109 W (depending on clock speed)

CPU Manufacturer
Company Name Intel Corporation
Product Information http://www.intel.com/products/browse/processor.htm

CPU Utilization
CPU #1 / HTT Unit #1 0 %
CPU #1 / HTT Unit #2 8 %

--

Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
 
J

Jonny

http://www.intel.com/support/processors/sb/cs-015171.htm
http://www.intel.com/support/processors/pentium4/sb/cs-007984.htm

The revision number is in reference to the Intel motherboard
bios/motherboard model number/system bus frequency, not the Prescott cpu
itself, regarding a potential problem when upgrading to XP SP2.
--
Jonny
Hi,

I was researching potential problems for xp sp2 and saw that it can be
real nasty with the Intel P4 Prescott.

I think I have one.,,,I understand the 3.00E means its a Prescott. I
am including the specs of my processor, etc below. I read somewhere
that a Revision of 8 or less is a problem. However, mine is B?

Can you experts look at the specs below and let me know if this is
going to a problem with xp sp2?

What can I do in advance to ensure I don't have a problem?

Many thanks
Russ



Intel(R) Processor Identification Utility
Version: 3.1.20060901
Time Stamp: 2006/10/08 04:06:20
Number of processors in system: 1
Current processor: #1
Processor Name: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00E GHz
Type: 0
Family: F
Model: 3
Stepping: 3
Revision: B
L1 Trace Cache: 12 Kµops
L1 Data Cache: 16 KB
L2 Cache: 1 MB
Packaging: FC-PGA2
Platform Compatibility Guide: 04A
EIST: No
MMX(TM): Yes
SIMD: Yes
SIMD2: Yes
SIMD3: Yes
Enhanced Halt State: No
Execute Disable Bit: No
Hyper-Threading Technology: Yes
Intel(R) Extended Memory 64 Technology: No
Intel(R) Virtualization Technology: No
Expected Processor Frequency: 3.0 GHz
Reported Processor Frequency: 3.0 GHz
Expected System Bus Frequency: 800 MHz
Reported System Bus Frequency: 800 MHz



Board: Intel Corporation D865GLC AAC28906-408
Serial Number: CGLC41901769
Bus Clock: 200 megahertz
BIOS: Intel Corp. BF86510A.86A.0060.P16.0404121116 04/12/2004
*************************************************************
 
F

frodo

read this:

http://cquirke.mvps.org/sp2intel.htm

this issue was from more than two years ago, if your bios is up to date
you should not have the problem.

Note that BOTH the bios and XP itself may update the microcode. Many don't
realize that XP may bump it again as it starts up. The above issue was
that the one the bios did wasn't sufficient for XP-SP2 to get itself up
and running. Note that some microcode display utils (cpu-z) only see the
microcode update that the bios did, and not the one that xp did; wierd but
true. The XP version can be seen in Device Manager, System Devices |
Microcode Update Device. If that entry has no yellow ! then xp updated the
microcode succcessfully.
 
J

Jonny

Read it. Same thing on my prior reply. Needs bios update in relation to
Prescott cpu use. Bios lives on the motherboard.
 

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